[Mike O]

Upp,
You asked me to Chime in on this thread. However, I don't have much to say. I think trying to dig deeper into the relationships is always a good thing-so I like that about this thread. Not sure how far you can go within the Golfing Machine concepts- to learn a little more about the pivot i.e. the information is limited and doesn't provide a wide enough platform or basis for running with the ball and growing what you have there. Homer does list pivot components and the basic variations - with the realization that you may have anything in the entire range of possibilities as your component location or relationship. But overall - it's somewhat limited. Homer says in 12-3 "Note that no Zone #1 elements are listed - Educated Hands control The Pivot (9-1)." That leaves two directions to go in learning more- wider and wider concepts on "how the Hands control the pivot" and narrower and narrower concepts in regards to breaking down the pivot into parts and understanding the details of those parts, and relationships among those parts of the pivot. I certainly have some thoughts but it's not a fully integrated theory yet and wouldn't add to your thread here.

Bucket's on a good path in that he's raising the discussion level and also looking at what relationships are valid and which ones are not valid - and why. But if you were stuck in a 6 x 6 holding cell and only had a computer - what would you do?