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jerry1967 08-25-2009 04:04 PM

left arm after impact
 
What is wrong with the left arm sticking to the body after impact?

okie 08-25-2009 04:23 PM

Blast it!
 
Left arm stickiness would suggest a #4 Acc. misfire!

O.B.Left 08-25-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by okie (Post 67286)
Left arm stickiness would suggest a #4 Acc. misfire!

Yup, Id agree with that, despite it being popular with the swinging left guys. The left arm blasts off the chest which allows you to get to Homers Follow Through position, Both ARms Straight with the club approx at 45 degrees to the ground , both flying wedges maintained all while still tracing the straight line, base line and the left hand/ clubface held perpendicular to the plane associated with the Hinge Action selected.

If the left arm "pauses" the left hand pauses and club passes the hands. You may have achieved both arms straight but it would be nearer impact, certainly not at Follow Through, 45 degrees. Its all about "overtaking". You must not try to inhibit overtaking but at the same time you dont want it happening before Follow Through, Both Arms Straight for full power shots anyways. (flop shots maybe see 10-3-J). Replace the inclination to hold off with a smooth consistent rate of acceleration and the club stays lagging the power package, past impact all the way to Both Arms Straight. This way impact would be executed as Hinge Action as opposed to Swivel.

Is this right guys?

Daryl 08-25-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 67296)
Replace the inclination to hold off with a smooth consistent rate of acceleration and the club stays lagging the power package, past impact all the way to Both Arms Straight. This way impact would be executed as Hinge Action as opposed to Swivel.®

OB,
Elegantly stated. Regardless of how it's explained in TGM, that's the single best answer. Our primary focus at this point in the Swing, is Hinging the Primary Lever.


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Other reasons that the Left Arm should not be stuck to the Torso are:

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6-B-4-0 THE FORTH POWER ACCUMULATOR The angle formed by the Left Arm and Left Shoulder forms the Forth Power Accumulator. It is not only an independent Power Accumulator, but its Triggering function as the Checkrein of the Right Elbow is also vastly important and it thus can be the Accumulator of the Accumulators – or Master Accumulator. Also see 2-M-4.

As Accumulator #4 it is Pivot (Body) Power supplying the initial acceleration of the Downstroke to throw the Lever Assemblies toward Impact by the Thrust of the Shoulder Turn. See 7-13. Another major contribution to Impact Power is geometric – it is the first link in the Swing Radius power train between the Club and the Feet.

“Left Arm Power” in any form or amount can still be considered #4 Accumulator Action. Otherwise it actually substitutes for the Pivot to introduce the circular motion required to produce Centrifugal Force.
1. In other words, if the Left Arm Doesn't move, then the Right Elbow Doesn't move.

And......

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6-A-2 THE PRIMARY LEVER ASSEMBLY An additional structural feature is leverage. A dual system of Form III levers. A Form III lever has the Force – or Power – between the Weight and the Fulcrum (2-L).

Consider the Left Arm and the Clubshaft together as the Primary Lever Assembly. The Left Shoulder is the Fulcrum, the Secondary Lever Assembly – Cocked or not is the weight. This assembly is normally propelled by the Arms. That is, Accumulators and Pressure Points #1 and/or #4 as discussed under 6-B-1 and 6-B-4. Movement of this Assembly must comply with 1-L-7 to -11 and 2-F.

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1_L
7. The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it.
8. No proportion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently.
9. Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle.
10. The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line).
11. Clubhead Force and Motion is On Plane at right angles to the Longitudinal Center of Gravity and varies with Speed, Mass and Swing Radius.
2. The Clubshaft, which is part of the Primary Lever, will swing Forward independently if the Upper Arm is held against the Torso.

My Final Point. You can't have a Wrist Throw to Trigger a Sequenced Release unless the Left Arm can Move off of the Chest.

okie 08-26-2009 09:05 AM

To me the finish swivel is what get the club head exiting "LEFT." When follow through and finish are distinct from one another...watch out! I swivel maybe 10% of the time!

BBax 08-26-2009 09:49 AM

The World is Round - So is the motion of the Lever Assembly
 
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Originally Posted by okie (Post 67306)
To me the finish swivel is what get the club head exiting "LEFT." When follow through and finish are distinct from one another...watch out! I swivel maybe 10% of the time!

Another "swing left" feel would be in accordance to 1-L #9 - Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle. Therefore, once the low point is reached the Lever Assembly must continue in its circular motion to the Finish.

12 piece bucket 08-26-2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by okie (Post 67306)
To me the finish swivel is what get the club head exiting "LEFT." When follow through and finish are distinct from one another...watch out! I swivel maybe 10% of the time!

Shoulder location has implications here as well . . . . also hip action and knee action and head location. . . which leads to shoulder motion. But you are correct . . . swivel is a piece of left . . . just not all of it.

okie 08-26-2009 01:39 PM

Continue kind sir
 
Can you give as a quick rundown of the factors you mentioned. I know that my hands are working left as the club head moves in its orbit. I made a "low bench" out of pvc. People get freaked out (just like I did) when they see how much left the hands and the club move. Most of course have no clue as to the path of the hands. My point (vague and incomplete) is that my hands do not feel like they are going left until I swivel out of follow through.

O.B.Left 08-26-2009 02:49 PM

Okie this is a good feel, I think. Despite the fact your Hands and the rest of the Primary Lever for that matter, are moving Forward, Up and In (left) three dimensionally post Low Point, the direction of your Thrust (right arm extension, be it passive (swinging) or active (hitting)) is always OUT towards the Base Line until Both Arms Straight---the end of the right arms ability to extend.

The Hitter will have more of a feel for this than the swinger perhaps but the geometry is true for both. The Hands travel IN post Low Point but the Direction of Thrust should be OUT. If it isnt one is probably throwing the club past the hands prior to Follow Through.

I see the "swinging left" method as misconstrued unless it is on line and on plane. You cant teach a feel and expect the same results for everyone. Alignments on the other hand are black and white. You are either complying or you are not. The ball will know the difference.

okie 08-26-2009 04:25 PM

DownOutForwardBackUpIn
 
In to out impact v. in to out swing was the first conventional instruction pebble to be removed from my shoe! One the coolest feelings is bridging the gap between follow through and finish. After all the effort is takes to go to both arms straight the finish swivel feels like a well deserved vacation! I try to earn the right to swivel.:eyes: This is why I think "hitting" is a great teaching tool. Using #1 Acc going to both arms straight is unmistakable in terms of feel. Whose right arm is straightest at follow through? A hitter or a swinger?


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