On Plane Motion Practice
 

I may have mentioned before,but I mainly practice in and around 40 yrds,and every now and then hit long shots.So in saying this,it goes without saying that I hit every shot imaginable around greens,so ,in order not to get too bogged down and lose interest,A couple of weeks ago I began chipping using left and then the right ,it all hit home when I began getting into "plane of motion" in the book,it is a real fun time ,you really learn about alighnments of both arms and most of all...CONCENTRATION...no doubt a lot here have tried....love to hear your findings and results L+R handed

K couple of things come to mind. Re left arm only motion : I asked Lynn if for a left arm , Pull Minor Basic Stroke one should still employ a Right ARm takeaway . Answer YES! Also note that for all but the Pull Minor Basic strokes the left arm muscles themselves do not pull anything , as the left arm is for those shots said to be Inert. Inert means inert . Funny story here . Lynn once when discussing a similar point with Homer asked if any muscular effort could be involved given an inert right arm. Answer: "Now what dont you understand about "inert"! Anywhoo , your Left Arm only drill is ok but make sure you dont ingrain a left arm push away or a left arm pull for anything longer than a Minor Basic Stroke.

Re the Right Arm only. Fine . Tiger chips and putts likes this.

Re both arms , re a right arm consciousness vs a left . The left sided perception is the flail : uncocking and rolling down the line with the clubhead passing the hands. The right sided perception is the angled Right Forearm flying wedge staying intact , with a frozen ish right hand through the ball . THESE PERCEPTIONS CO EXIST IN THE TWO ARMED SWING. THEY ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE , strangely. You will see this if you imagine the plane of the two wedges as say 90 degrees to one another and them both rolling through the ball . Not a swivelling of the forearms or anything .. no! Its a rolling of the entire Primary Lever (Left arm and club) with the Right Forearm FLying Wedge rolling with along with it . A hinge action is not a hands manipulated thing, even though its defined by the left hands relationship to one of the three basic planes. AH Homer what did you do to my brain!!! Im talking like a mad man.

Now Daryl will jump in ...

Lol. I need to increase my post count.

That's a geat post. One of your best.

It took a long time to understand that the club can exist on two planes simultaneously when the wedges are aligned at 90 degrees. The left arm plane and the plane of the right wrist bend. No need to worry about right or left anymore.


Ob, what's your favorite way to align the wedges at right angles?

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Thanks OB,pretty much what Im doing,good call,R./arm chip (for me) has the feel that it becomes easier when I get the feel that I actually "feel" as if Im really getting down to sweet spot plane so long as I concentrate on the palm being the pressure point going down.
The left is a complete different story,the best way that I have come up with is to lift the clubhead over the ball,let it simply travel over the top of ball (toward target) and allow the lever assembly go back to bout waist high(letting shoulder travel be normal)....pivot on downswing allowing clubhead to drop normally into ball the pivot straightens entire lever into finding its own travel,now all this is only a gentle compression action,the follow thru of left assembly is actually quite a high finish for such a small action....if the 2 actions are monitored carefully,a lot of insight comes out of the whole drill........planewise..cheers:golfing_banana:

How I set my left hand would determine where the plane of the left wrist cock lies vs a vis the plane of the right wrist bend since I set my Right Hand Level . The more turned the left hand at Fix , the more the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock approaches the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend !

But like in all things Homer there are some finer points we could get into.. But that might be for another thread.

J

That is a great question also. Soo many things at the same time. How to align, the wedges on their respective planes, for horizontal hinging, left vertical plane right inclined with dual horizontal hinge, for angled hinge, easier, all with fix bend right, flat left, no cocking action in right, rotating pp#3 for horizontal hinge, etc? There is a lot of geometry here. I bet it goes all the way back through the shoulder lead/lag, axis tilt, pivot etc.
Great question!

Can all the alignments exist simultaneously? If not, which are subordinate? Do we realy want to teach the left to do only left alignments and right to do only right alignments? Can we do all with either the left or the right?

HB
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The left arm is just very poorly situated to do any big lifting of the club on the backswing .... the right arm however ? No problem. To the extent there is any lifting and there is , it should be done with the Right . (Ideally momentum does most of it... the "no up in the backswing notion" is a great notion but not 100 percent accurate IMO. Homers called it a Right Arm Pickup and it is. While I believe its best to minimize any lifting there is some . And to achieve this , perhaps a rarity amongst golfers ....you need lag and drag on the takeaway . A lagging takeaway morphing into Standard Wrist Action , Lynn Blake style . Momentum created by Zone 1, adopted by Zone 2 and sensed and then used by Zone 3 the hands to effect what Lynn calls Start Up Swivel. The lagging takeaway provides the momentum for Start Up Swivel. Ground /Up backstroke . Inside / out backstroke . Its hard to learn and to put into words BUT PRACTICING STIFF LEFT ARMED ONLY PUSH AWAYS FROM FIX WILL ONLY SET YOU BACK IF YOU WANT A LAGGING TAKEAWAY. Most guys will never ever come close to having one and for them the Carry Back is the way to go if by subconscious default.

You may be able to tell that im preaching like the newly converted.... it wasnt easy. This all relates to the magic of the Wild Bill Melhourne Drill . If you want to get it happening in your actual golf stroke , you need Lag and Drag in both directions. Not so common anymore but it worked for Hogan , Nelson , Jones etc etc and when you listen carefully even Jack describes a sense of Lagging in his takeaway from Impact Fix !!!!! You dont have to be mid body hands , adjusted to sense this Lag in Startup.

Your giving yourself a "running start" with the left is trying to tell you something ! Something that you could easily over look with two hands attached . Try it out. Carry back is ok too obviously.

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Thank OB..........I google the drill could not locate,I gather its Mehlorn..........do you have the drill....cheers in advance

got it
 

Thanks OB,but I located it.........very similar to Macdonalds drill,I believe Lynn likes Macs drills and uses them....thanks

mehlorn
 

hope this works


http://www.advancedballstriking.com/....php?f=24&t=17

WOW. Great thread!

Can you imagine the people who are now saying there is no such thing as swing plane? I don't know how anyone could do a good job of teaching real world golf swing without it...

Kevin

After spending such a long period of time NOT being on Plane, I will never accept a concept as no such thing as swing plane. If anyone can channel Mr. Hogan, please ask. I suspect the answer would be short.

Ok. Did that

Ben said hello

He said thanks for thinking of him and that although his plane theory was a pretty good start, you can thank hk for completing the concept. There are two distinct planes. The plane of the left wrist cock and the plane of the right wrist bend. You can swing on one or the other, switch from one to the other, or swing on both simultaneously. :)

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HB

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I do not understand what Daryl has writen. :confused1

Because this is your thread I will do three thoughts I have.

1. What does this do to "your"/my computer- (your original did say CONCENTRATION). It "has been said" , "Never move a club without the your proper grip, stance, and alignments.":golf:

2. The seperate functions of the two hands difficult with one. I will not try a list here.:study:

3. It may be as good/fun to practice bouncing and catching a ball on the face of a wedge.:bounce:

HB

ps. On the other hand- I, myself, like to experiment and take short-cuts, Sooo.

Plane of the right wrist bend as in Hitting with the Angle of Approach procedure (trace and cover the Angle of Approach) ?

Long answer coming ..... starbucks is kicking in on a Saturday non golf morning.

Re the Wild Bill Melhourne drill.

Its a continuos motion , back and through. Brushing the ground in both directions, three quarter swing , short iron or wedge . Start in tall grass as if you were scything grass with an old fashioned grass scythe ... forget golf . Forget the golf swing. Just let it go , cutting the grass in both directions. Lag and Drag in both directions. Let your body adapt to its natural motion. The motion you would employ if you needed to cut grass all day long. This is the golf motion too! Not that thing we all cook up out of desperation. Then do it on turf . Brush in both directions, Then with a ball.
Dont let the ball screw with your head , dont start Steering again, dont go back to your former golf swing. Try to brush brush brush in both directions and then without stopping without changing anything just walk over to the single ball and let the ball get in the way of your continuous motion.

Keep at it until it happens . What happens you may ask ? One pure , sweetspot on ball connection. Its an eye opener. You will associate Lag and Drag in both directions with pure , sweet contact . You will see how "the motion makes the shot", "the ball gets in the way of the sweetspots orbit ". That impact is not a Station etc etc .

Then line up some balls along the ground and brush , brush brush in both directions while walking and and striking the balls, continuos motion . Just try to brush the ground , dont try to hit the ball .... the ball just gets in the way.


This is the Wild Bill Melhourne Drill. Something I think Hogan was alluding to on his Ed Sullivan show appearance . Something he sorta kinda described in 5 Lessons I believe. There's footage of Fred Astaire dancing and golfing a line of balls from an old movie. He is very clearly Melhourning a line of golf balls . Must of had some lessons from Wild Bill Id imagine. Hogan did.

A lesson from Lynn will have you doing this drill . This is MOTION. The McDonald drills are also all about MOTION. If you build this motion upon a foundation of Homers Alignments you will have Alignments in Motion. Just like Hogan but dug out of the dirt by you. It takes re training for us hacks. The reason we are hacks , is that we "hack" or swing at the ball. Its an easy thing to fall into , even for the best . It has been said that Hogan did a Melhourne like drill in the locker room prior to heading out to the practice ground. Its one heck of a way to warm up.

Brush , brush , brush. The ball just gets in the way. What is it Homer said about impact when he was discussing the Three Stations... "make no adjustment for impact " or something like that. His revelation when wacking weeds in his yard with a golf club relates to this business. His concept of Steering.


McDonald drills are great , dont underestimate them as is very easy to do. Especially for the more accomplished golfer . McDonald himself said exactly that in his book. McDonald drills with a Wild Bill line of balls and HOmers alignments will open you to a new world. Those alignments while critical are often manipulated in a wooden manner ..... dont do that! That's not what Lynn teaches. That not how Lynn teaches. Thats not how the game is played at its highest level. See Hogan , Rory! Alignments in motion with a Top and a Finish and Lag and Drag in both directions.

Now to your on plane motion notion. This motion creates the sweetspot orbit , not vice versa . Is it a single plane of motion? Probably not . Is there a big shift either up or down ? Ideally not but you have options. Certainly Hogans shift while easy to see wasnt that big in terms of degrees really when viewed from down the line. Does Lynn teach with Plane devices? Ive never seen one personally. Perhaps that would interrupt motion....... Now if you were way off plane , that would require a mechanical correction. Some detection and correction. Over swivelling in startup or finish .. say . Horizontal left hand motion etc. Those things fall under the Alignments category.

Interestingly .... Ive found good motion does tend to promote good alignments. If you lose it on the course and dont know why..... stick to motion, hit your finish like Rory , stay in balance , do some McDonald drills and wait till you get back to the range to fix your mechanical problem ... See your pga pro!

Swinging the Clubhead? Switch to Orange juice.

I agree that many of the Macdonalds drills promote good actions. This Drill isn't one of them. Swinging the Clubhead is treating the Golf Swing as a Pendulum System. The Golf Swing is a Lever System. The Backstroke and Downstroke are very different.

Common conceptual problem here as the word "plane" is being used to describe three different alignments , direction or planes of motion. The plane of the left wrist cock , (the left arm flying wedge) and the plane of the right wrist bend (the plane of right forearm flying wedge) are different than the plane of the sweetspot orbit (the inclined Plane).

Thats ok, sorta like being in a room , with floor , walls and ceiling. They are all Planes. They have structural alignments too. In golf the flying wedges with their respective planes are in motion but maintain their mechanical , structural alignments .

First time I saw Lynn hit some balls in person I was amazed. I was near scratch at the time but I wanted what he had. At lunch after much discussion , most of which I didnt understand I finally just asked him in common speak ; "Whats different about your swing ? How do you make that sound at impact". He replied mid hamburger, head down ......."Its just mechanical, structural ALIGNMENTS". Chomp , chomp.

Thats when I decided I had to read the damnable yellow book. I had to understand it to understand Lynn and his swing. And so I entered the riddle within a riddle world of Homer. Where no two people understand it in the same way. Its been a great journey .

What are you talkin aboot? Wild Bill Drill ? McDonald exercise? I did say that it was common for guys to underestimate them, especially the more accomplished golfer. McDonald said this in his book.

Dont prove him right D! ;)

Wild Bill Drill (WBD) worked for Hogan .

When Im waiting for my turn to take a shot . I sometimes walk over to the heavier grass (if im not in it) and WBD some brushes in both directions. Next shot is always a corker .

Swooshing the grass, back and forth, is Swivel Practice. Isn't this normally synchronized with a "march in place" to help neophytes learn a better understanding (not perfect) of the coordination between Weight Shift and Downswing?

Yes in place or just plane marching. Left , right Left ... Brush , brush , brush. If anyone gets a lesson from Yoda they'll get to hear him say this And yes , done by neophytes like hogan and vj sing etc. Lynn saw vj take to the tall grass once .

Advanced form of the drill.... Fade , draw , fade draw. Done primarily with path although there is a difference in the release. As an aside every time I see someone demonstrate ball flight laws with changes in path (plane line direction) I do see some changes to their release . A little hanky panky . Same with the guys on tv. Rory holds off a fade for instance and beautifully , nothing wrong with this. Nothing wrong with finish swivel , on plane although some guys think it's ugly for some reason. Despite the fact that most of the guys on tv do it. Weird ain't it. Byron left the photos of his horizontal and finish swivel out of his book ! His theory and his actual swing were in conflict . I'd say his swing did the talking .

Btw only The misguided try to play a straight shot IMO. Wanna get immediately more accurate Play some curve . Put some junk on everything as part of your address routine planning preparation visualization and the when actually making the shot watch the clubhead blurr along yiur chosen curved line or arc of Approach while you feel your release type. There's more to this , what Yoda calls " the four sees". I have it on video . I'll share when if the topic comes up. Takes about 20 minutes to describe but two seconds to actually perform. It's what golf reduces to , after training , when playing.

Ask a Pro how he swings the Club and you'll get 10 different answers........from the same Pro.

The Backstroke and Downstroke are very different. I don't doubt that the Pendulum Marching Drill is useful for something but bear in mind that the Impact Alignment, by necessity of the Pendulum is a Swivel.

Swiveling and Hinging are Apples and Oranges. It took me forever to learn the difference. My first Golf Instructor should be in jail. I've searched for a very long time in books, the internet and Golf DVDs and I'm convinced that none of the instructors know the difference (present company excluded). And yet, every Pro I watch, and in Slow Motion, HINGE through the Impact Interval. Good Ball Strikers don't use the Pendulum when they swing a Club but they do apply the geometry while Putting.

I helped Innercityteacher understand the difference between Swiveling and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. If he would comment on the difference, it would help if he noted if he ever heard or learned of this before and when he reviews the swings of Good Ball Strikers if he sees them Swiveling or Hinging.

Homer Kelley discovered this 50 years ago and writes in great length about it. I'm very SHOCKED, Shocked and more shocked that it isn't standard Golf instruction. If you don't learn it here at LBG.com you'll never learn it. How can anyone call themselves a Golf Instructor without understanding these simple Alignments. I'm completely Shocked. I need a Drink.

Well. Thats a Rant. I mean every word. :)

nice rant ! :)

Thanks for your contributions, I toyed with the image of the bucket at the range last week-end and it helped a lot. However, it feels like Horizontal Hinge, is that right ?

PS: Someone pointed to me that Homer said the Hinge Action could be duplicated by a swivel, I will have to find out where and in which edition it appeared (I don't have an electronic version of the book).

Had the PGA worked with Mr. Kelley on their curriculum in the first place, we would not be having this conversation. We in the golf business would have had a totally different understanding of the ball flight laws as well.

Your rant is 100% correct!

Kevin

I know what you mean by "feeling" like a Horizontal Hinge. But that's because you're using a "Pitched" Elbow Alignment. If you use a "Punch" Alignment it would feel like a "Hit".

It can Align a Horizontal Hinge, or Angled or Vertical Hinge. The "Bucket Drill" teaches, demonstrates, the "Right Forearm Angle of Approach. The Top of the Bucket will be Level to the Ground for ALL Hinge Actions. Elbow Location determines the Hinge Pin Alignment.

If you "Zero" out the #3 Accumulator (in the Left Hand) then the Right Forearm provides an Angle of Approach. Only when the Left Arm Wedge is included would you say that the Right Forearm is an Alignment Aid to Hinging because "Inherent" to Loading the Primary or Secondary Lever is a specific Elbow Alignment and each different Alignment Aligns the Hinge Pin to a different Plane. Vertical Hinging can use either Elbow Alignment so it isn't considered an Inherent Hinge Action.

There is a difference!
 

I can feel the difference now, between Swiveling and Hinging! It does really feel different. :) As a result of the new Right Forearm Angle of Approach awareness, I became very aware of the correct Start-up Swivel, the correct way to carry-back for a Hitter, the correct parallel Hip Bump, Acquired Motion for both Hitters and Swingers, the meaning of the "Wheel Rim" for Swingers, the reason for the right forearm being 90 degrees to the Plane, various correct delivery paths, Hand Acceleration and some ideas around "snapping the whip."

I also understand how not to get stuck and how to hit an 8 degree driver with a high, penetrating ball flight, ON PURPOSE! :happy3:

Now, if I can just get a 50 degree day or an indoor range!

ICT

And then there's the most important plane - the sweetspot plane, which, unlike those two, doesn't change orientation or completely disappear like they do. Hogan just put an upper bound on the club head plane with his pane of glass, which even he shattered in the finish.

hinging and swiveling
 

Drryl,Your words are whirling through my head at this moment,hinging and swivelling......for me,they are 2 seperate componants occuring in the downswing and follow through but also simutaneously.Correct me if Im not right ,My swing for what its worth is pretty much fully automatic snap release ,I completly rely on centrifugal force,should I really be taking any notice of either of these componants,what I mean here is simply that whenever I make an effort to "DO" anything other than cen force allows ie uncocking or hinging,it all goes pear shaped,the hinging is rehearsed pre swing if I need it one or the other but I engrain that into the shot before I hit it..,but that is pretty much reliant on the computor.
So long as I pivot my swing as good as I can all these alignments seem to take care of themselves,the one handed plane drills....for me are reinforcements of what should be happening with 2 sides left and right,as Tom T said,"if you want to hit with a "heavy" club hold it "lightly"...this is the feeling I get swinging with left side levers,and the right lever also gets the feel of getting down to sweet spot plane.

Now thats a rant....hope you can follow and understand my writings cheers BM:)

D why do you equate the Wild Bill Melbourne drill with a pendulum drill. Impact alingments are awesome for even the newest of golfers when they do this drill. You should see on film how the Steering disappears , the release is delayed etc. It's a way of tricking the Steering out via continous motion. Like being able to actually hit a ball with a practice swing.

CF will align the Clubface for Horizontal Hinging. True, true. And for anyone skilled to harness CF to uncock the Left Wrist will more than likely produce a perfectly usable Hinge based on the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

But, the Right Forearm Angle of Approach has a separate identity and the Golfing Machine is based on the RFAA. If you're Hinging, then you've adopted the RFAA as your procedure for delivering the Club to "Low-Point" rather than most others who have adopted the "Swivel". There are many ways to Swivel. Homer talks about three Swivels and one as being a "True Rotation" of the Hands to differentiate other kinds.

Some players start playing Golf with a 10 handicap, others start from 50. The difference is the RFAA vs. Swivel through the Impact Interval.

The RFAA controls Ball Placement, Low-Point, Stance Width, Hooks, Draws, Slices and Fades, Hinging, Hitting and Swinging. Any issues about striking the Ball including Clubhead Speed, Shaft Length, Interval Length, etc, must be adjusted by the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

So, I'm producing a video series on the Golfing Machine. The Pre-Introduction Video is about the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. I decided it was necessary because without its understanding, Almost All of the Golfing Machines concepts are lost in vagueness. It was discovered and defined by Homer Kelley. He didn't invent it. It's been around since the first golf club was made and may explain precisely why they're designed the way they are and why we swing the clubs the way we do. It's probably the most significant concept in Swinging a Golf Club especially how it adjusts the Geometry of the Circle.

It's "Stupid Simple". Maybe that's why it's been so overlooked for so long while everyone was busy looking for the Holy Grail of Golf. It's intermixed with everything else so much that it needed someone like Homer to reduce the swing into simple components to identify and describe its separate existence.

I need to finish this video in a hurry before someone else gets wind of it and takes it without giving Homer his due.

I was referring to the MacDonald Drill as a Pendulum/Swivel Drill. Ben Hogan and others used it all the time and til this day. I think it's being used because the Right Forearm Angle of Approach is unknown. Still, it's useful and very helpful for many people.

Don't know why you say pendulum swivel drill. Impact is not the same as address with lag and drag in both directions.

I know youre big on what you term the right forearm angle of approach. Is this the same concept as the visual equivalent angle of approach? Or literally the right forearms path as seen to the golfer? Or ?

Or maybe I gotta buy the video. Good luck with that d. Very ambitious of you .

Its not the same.

You have the Right Forearm Flying Wedge with its Frozen Right Wrist. The Right Forearm is ALWAYS Driving.

1. The Right Forearm travels On Plane from Release to Low-Point.
2. Being On Plane, it travels Downward and Outward.
3. The Right Forearm Flying Wedge lies fully on the Plane as it seeks Low-Point.
4. The Left Hand Rolls, the Bent Right Wrist does not.
5. When the Right Forearm traveling to Low-Point guides the Primary Lever Roll, it causes the Hinge Pin in the Left Shoulder to Align Vertical to a given Plane (it constrains the shoulder joint to act as a Hinge and not a Ball Joint).
6. As the Ball is moved Back from Low-Point, it also moves inward so you must Steepen the Plane (steepen the Orbit), which changes the Angle of Approach and AUTOMATICALLY FIXES Less Right Wrist Bend.
7. If you only move the Ball aft on the existing Plane Line, you also, inadvertently relocated Low Point aft of the Left Shoulder. You must move the Ball inward when you move the ball aft so Low-Point is controlled below or Forward of the Left Shoulder.
8. Low Point Location is Adjusted Primarily by the Right Shoulder. Adjust the Right Shoulder by Adjusting Stance Width.
9. The Steeper the Orbit, the Faster the Closing Ratio of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
10. Short Irons have slower Clubhead Speeds than Longer Clubs. Slower Clubhead Speed has a shorter Impact Interval. Shorter Impact Intervals need faster Closing Ratios to sustain the Line of Compression. 1/4, 1/2,3/4 or a full 1 degree or more can be adjusted quite readily by adjusting the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
11. By Adjusting the Plane Angle, the Ball can be located to various locations Aft of Low-Point and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach will produce Straightaway Ball Flight.
12. The Right Forearm Angle of Approach returns the Left Wrist to Level at Impact.
13. Hitters and Swingers use the same Right Forearm Angle of Approach with Only a change in Elbow Location due to "Loading" the Primary or Secondary Lever.

So much more. It needs a video demonstration of the Alignments. The Concept will "Click" with anyone who has knowledge of TGM. All of these Alignments can be determined and finalized ("Accommodated at Impact Fix") within about 3 seconds. I know, it sounds crazy. But every Adjustment is created by "Set-up" and not by trying to Swing or Hit Differently. That's probably why even great players have different results because of a minor, inadvertent change in set-up - especially Stance Width and Distance from the Ball.

By Adjusting the Right Forearm Angle of Approach, a player can add Layback to the Horizontal Hinge to produce an Angled Hinge or remove Closing from an Angled Hinge to produce a Vertical Hinge.

Homer said that if he knew of the "Right Forearm Angle of Approach" he may not have published the book. It's truly amazing to me that he was able to write the book without knowing its separate identity.

I forgot a few other benefits of the RFAA!
 

Just got home, grabbed some wood to put in the garage stacks since we are having rain and snow tonight, then turned on the lights since it was about 8:30 pm, and grabbed the impact bag and golf bag. 35 degrees outside and I flexed the stiff wedges, the regular irons, the stiff 3 wood and hybrids and the senior shafted drivers from various manufacturers. :whistle:

What I mean is that having not hit a ball in ten days, I was able to imagine bucket practice with my right forearm inside pointing up to the sky. Correct grip,Extensor Action, Right Forearm Takeaway with and without Startup Swivel, and simply slide my left knee parallel to the Base Line of the Plane. The # 3 PP loads for the Swing and the shafts B_E_N_D_S as it does for the Hit. :)

In both cases, the right forearm stays flexed as it (and the shoulder) drops down in FRONT of the back hip still pointed skyward before the right forearm extends through the ball hinging before the distinct Finish Swivel. :read:

The LAG pops that bag and sound like a rifle shot as as the shaft flexes back and the club head feels to explode well in front of my front hip with longer clubs!

ICT

Wow thanks daryl lots to think on there. I personally do often Swing my right forearm flying wedge perceptually . It isn't right arm swinging or anything just a perception . Think homer would be cool with this ... Just too lazy to find the chapter verse efc right now.

Left arm flail or right arm flying wedge you can swing either through the ball.

I do have theoretical issues with some of yiur points but ... Who gives a shank!

You, me and Innercityteacher.

I'm not off the reservation. LOL. These are all Left Arm Swings. I understand the basics of the Right Arm Swing but I haven't spent much time on it.

I've been doing this every day (almost) for two years. I'm tired too. I've got to get this video finished.

Innercity has the basic knowledge of the RFAA and Hinging. Too bad its Winter. Next year he'll start playing in the 70's.

And another cool benefit... My last couple of rounds I was not that aware of Extensor Action and I paid for it by lacking precision in the first 9 holes in each round. With EA, the forearms and elbows are drawn closer together like Mr. Hogan's famous description of "bound arms" with insides of the arms pointing to the sky. The Right Forearm Takeaway easily turns the whole upper body and feels to pivot off the right elbow pressed against the ribs though the elbow does then move away from the ribs. The feel of the Power Package is solid, one piece and very controlled which allowed me to par the last four and five holes in the last two rounds with no sweat. Without the Extensor Action, bogeys were quite easy and frustrating where pars should have been the order of the day easy and frustrating.

This winter season will see me practicing full Extensor Action and RFT daily with a Bent Right Wrist with and without Start-up Swivel.

ICT