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YodasLuke 05-17-2011 07:58 PM

McLean's challenge
 
Here's a place I'd like Yoda to dump his accumulators!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w68LP...el_video_title

Daryti 05-17-2011 08:30 PM

It make me mad to see people making inaccurate statement about TGM. On page X
I, "This textbook can support individual "My Way" procedure but no "The Way Theory"!

Especially is a disgrace for those ex-GSDM making attack to TGM specifically after learning from TGM. Professionally will you openly attack anyone in your field?

O.B.Left 05-17-2011 09:27 PM

Nice quote Daryti.

Mr McLean doesnt know the basic, basic of TGM ....that there is no one way! . The fact he calls it a "religion of the perfect way", or a "method" suggests to me that he hasnt cracked the book. A method with three trillion possible patterns would be correct. People on this site can attest to the fact that the book proposes no "method" or "one way".....that'd be way easier to understand and horribly narrow minded.

Like Bruce Lee, as Kock used to say, TGM is all ways. And there in lies its complexity.

"Religion of the perfect way" ......what a misguided statement. I just lost some respect for a guy I kind of liked.

Anybody know what might have motivated his lambasting of Homer? It cant be founded in intellectual discord when he is so ill informed. This isnt about Homer Im thinking, somebody did something on his rug I bet. Whatever.

Then again Ive heard this knock before ......and ironically often from guys who propose their way as THE WAY.

Yoda 05-17-2011 09:40 PM

The Straw Man
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke (Post 84715)
Here's a place I'd like Yoda to dump his accumulators!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w68LP...el_video_title


First, understand this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Then, this . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIhIUWI96SU



:golfcart2:

innercityteacher 05-17-2011 09:51 PM

Disappointing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 84720)
Nice quote Daryti.

Mr McLean doesnt know the basic, basic of TGM ....that there is no one way! . The fact he calls it a "religion of the perfect way", or a "method" suggests to me that he hasnt cracked the book. A method with three trillion possible patterns would be correct. People on this site can attest to the fact that the book proposes no "method" or "one way".....that'd be way easier to understand and horribly narrow minded.

Like Bruce Lee, as Kock used to say, TGM is all ways. And there in lies its complexity.

"Religion of the perfect way" ......what a misguided statement. I just lost some respect for a guy I kind of liked.

Anybody know what might have motivated his lambasting of Homer? It cant be founded in intellectual discord when he is so ill informed. This isnt about Homer Im thinking, somebody did something on his rug I bet. Whatever.

Then again Ive heard this knock before ......and ironically often from guys who propose their way as THE WAY.

Mr. MacLean is just grasping at straws I'm afraid. Drumming up business?

IC T

JTillery 05-17-2011 10:43 PM

Wow.......... good questions to think about and study, but pretty poor representation of TGM.

KevCarter 05-17-2011 10:53 PM

Both surprised and disappointed...

O.B.Left 05-17-2011 11:28 PM

Uh Tom Lehman's swing is in the book. So is mine. He's got 1-L (a model that reveals the basic geometry of golf given the golf club) mixed up with building a robot golfer or something. "No weight shift"? Where's it say that in the book?

Daryl 05-18-2011 12:12 AM

Uploaded to Youtube on May 16th, 2011.


He had to bring up "Religion". :laughing9 Wow, something must have yanked his chain enough to drive him over the edge like that.



Daryl 05-18-2011 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 84727)
..................... "No weight shift"? Where's it say that in the book?


Quote:

10-14-E ZERO The Zero Hip Turn has no turn, slide or weight shift, and consequently, no knee or foot action. Most effective from Half and Half Fix (10-8-C).
:laughing9

Mike O 05-18-2011 07:39 AM

Nice Daryl,
OB's still learning:)

chipingguru 05-18-2011 08:31 AM

Very unfortunate. On his video I have heard Jim respectfuly praising TGM and have seen handwritten letters by him to Ben Doyle which were highly complimentary.

Must be a financial marketing move.

To say TGm is one way is really absurd.

dodger 05-18-2011 12:25 PM

There seems to be an edge of desparation here. When have you heard about him teaching a tour pro lately? Business must be hurting and he likely is getting a lot of stack and tilt questions. Perfect swing? The Golfing Machine is intended to eliminate such nonsense. If my left wrist is flat at impact and ahead of the ball, I have a perfect swing. What could be more simple than the golfing machine? Keep your head still,and the right wrist bent thru impact. See ball go far, straight and high.

NCHamr 05-18-2011 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodger (Post 84738)
There seems to be an edge of desparation here. When have you heard about him teaching a tour pro lately? Business must be hurting and he likely is getting a lot of stack and tilt questions. Perfect swing? The Golfing Machine is intended to eliminate such nonsense. If my left wrist is flat at impact and ahead of the ball, I have a perfect swing. What could be more simple than the golfing machine? Keep your head still,and the right wrist bent thru impact. See ball go far, straight and high.

There's the beauty of TGM, because i prefer to see my ball go far, with a soft cut, and a lower trajectory :happy3:

dodger 05-18-2011 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCHamr (Post 84739)
There's the beauty of TGM, because i prefer to see my ball go far, with a soft cut, and a lower trajectory :happy3:

That is because you are following a method. I follow essentials and imperatives, and therefore hit the ball far, high and right to left. (joking)

NCHamr 05-18-2011 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodger (Post 84740)
That is because you are following a method. I follow essentials and imperatives, and therefore hit the ball far, high and right to left. (joking)

Of course, because since I am a student of TGM, I am apart of a religion to have the perfect swing, and therefore i'll never be a great player :crybaby: :laughing9 I'm greater today than I was yesterday because of The Yellow Book, and I'll be an even better player tomorrow :salut:

airair 05-18-2011 05:43 PM

From Homer's notes
 
Feel no concern for the PERFECT STROKE. There are trillions of
precision patterns with totally correct alignments and relationships, perfect for some application or preference.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7767-129.html #1288

Daryl 05-18-2011 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 84744)
Feel no concern for the PERFECT STROKE. There are trillions of
precision patterns with totally correct alignments and relationships, perfect for some application or preference.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7767-129.html #1288

Great post.

innercityteacher 05-18-2011 06:57 PM

Very nice, Air
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 84744)
Feel no concern for the PERFECT STROKE. There are trillions of
precision patterns with totally correct alignments and relationships, perfect for some application or preference.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7767-129.html #1288

Very good find! :)

IC T

JTillery 05-18-2011 07:13 PM

Air,
be sure to post this as a comment to the youtube video

Nice

airair 05-18-2011 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTillery (Post 84748)
Air,
be sure to post this as a comment to the youtube video

Nice

I already have.

KevCarter 05-19-2011 08:07 AM

...maybe we shouldn't feel the need to be defenders of TGM. We all love it, of course, but there is so much more. The genius of Lynn Blake Golf as an example. We would all be a little lost, IMHO, if YODA had not unlocked the secrets of the pivot with the MacDonald Drills and the thoughts of other great teachers like Boomer. TGM and all of Homer's work is WONDERFUL, but there is so much room for more interpretation, and we find it right here.

I vehemently disagree with disrespecting TGM, it is the foundation of all great golf swings, but there is more...

Kevin

KevCarter 05-19-2011 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodger (Post 84740)
I follow essentials and imperatives, and therefore hit the ball far, high and right to left. (joking)

IMHO, that my friend, is why you are having such great success in teaching your daughter. Flat left wrist, lag pressure, plane. Man, when a student understands they need to work on those principles before all else, they learn to help themselves...

Add to that the simplicity of the LBG pivot using the MacDonald drills, watch out!!!

Kevin

airair 05-19-2011 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 84757)
IMHO, that my friend, is why you are having such great success in teaching your daughter. Flat left wrist, lag pressure, plane. Man, when a student understands they need to work on those principles before all else, they learn to help themselves...

Add to that the simplicity of the LBG pivot using the MacDonald drills, watch out!!!

Kevin

Could you explain in more detail what the simplicity of the LBG pivot is all about...:eusa pray:

KevCarter 05-19-2011 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 84758)
Could you explain in more detail what the simplicity of the LBG pivot is all about...:eusa pray:

The MacDonald drills. The pictures are silly, the text is basic, the results are MAGICAL!!!

Kevin

airair 05-19-2011 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 84759)
The MacDonald drills. The pictures are silly, the text is basic, the results are MAGICAL!!!

Kevin

I have to review these some more. Right-left, right-left. Right?

KevCarter 05-19-2011 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 84760)
I have to review these some more. Right-left, right-left. Right?

You got it.

In addition, Rick Murphy, YODAs protege, does a wonderful job discussing their simplicity in his Golf Channel video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR1MakzR69U

Kevin

airair 05-19-2011 09:04 AM

Thanks
 
I have of course seen this before, but it got more of my attention this time..:salut:

chipingguru 05-19-2011 10:52 AM

I send a bit of time in Miami at the Doral. Having spent a lot of time on the range I have overheard Jim and his assistants in their teaching.

Interestingly they pretty much teach one pattern. Its by no means a bad one, its pretty good stuff. Not the variety one would expect from someone who has this particular criticism.

airair 05-19-2011 03:12 PM

Jim McLean on Brian Gay.
 
He wrote this on YouTube.
Quote:

Has Brian ever been a top ball striker on tour? He putts it often but has worked with quite a few teachers over the years. Not developed by TGM.
JimMcLeanUniversity

Any suggestions on what to answer?

KevCarter 05-19-2011 03:21 PM

Air, I wouldn't waste any time or energy. Looks like taking a page out of another teachers playbook on how to develop interest in his brand by trashing the leaders...

Kevin

airair 05-19-2011 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 84765)
Air, I wouldn't waste any time or energy. Looks like taking a page out of another teachers playbook on how to develop interest in his brand by trashing the leaders...

Kevin

ok: :salut:

innercityteacher 05-19-2011 03:26 PM

Great video Kevin!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 84761)
You got it.

In addition, Rick Murphy, YODAs protege, does a wonderful job discussing their simplicity in his Golf Channel video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR1MakzR69U

Kevin

Yoda spent 2 hours going through this on our first day, together. I still do this drill. When i come over the top on the course, I correct before the next shot by doing this drill slowly.

IC T

KevCarter 05-19-2011 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 84767)
Yoda spent 2 hours going through this on our first day, together. I still do this drill. When i come over the top on the course, I correct before the next shot by doing this drill slowly.

IC T

Yesterday I did Right-Left-Right-Left-Right-Left before every tee shot. I can't believe how much better I am getting to my left foot at impact. AMAZING!

Kevin

alrenz 05-19-2011 07:38 PM

Responding to these types of challanges is a waste of time. Mclean is the least method teacher of all the top teachers, and he has studied TGM, he told me so. No one ever wins in these types of back and forths!


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