A Golfer Friendly Version of the Golfing Machine
 

http://www.mbgolfpros.com/golf_factory_main.html


I'm surprised I didn't find a reference to this publication of a user friendly Version of the Golfing Machine on this website? I would guess there will be much debate regarding this user friendly 14 chapter essay of Homer's book "The Golfing Machine".

Enjoy,

DG

Why would we debate? I enjoy anybody's effort in advancing the work of Homer Kelley.

Thanks for posting the link!

Kevin

With all due respect, that its not consistent with TGM. The writer is entitled to his own views of course but I dont think that presentation should be attributed to Homer in any way.

Geezzzz....the author is an Authorized Instructor of the Golfing Machine. I guess he should give back his certification?

I was afraid of that. I wish him no disrespect, truly. I don't want to get into the details really DG.

Let's just say The Golf Factory is perhaps inspired by Homer but it's publication is not a distillation of Homers work. It's best attributed to it's author. You know like a lot of Daryl's posts or mine for that matter.

Specious
 

"I am a graduate of two Graduate schools with three graduate degrees. I will write a history of the two institutions and it will be true and accurate and no one will object, of course." Isn't that a silly sentiment? My writings would not be authorized by the founders of those institutions. My writing would be my opinion.

DG, what exactly do you really want to say? Is it that any opinion is valid? Not the case. Any opinion is simply an opinion. Facts are stubborn things that exist and do not vanish because of private opinion. Facts do not change because of any opinion. Facts are 3 dimensional, at least.

The Golf Machine is loaded with facts. An AI may have insight and opinion about theses facts and that is interesting and maybe useful but still the fact is that the AI's opinion is not "Authorized by Homer Kelly."

Mr. Blake explains TGM his way. His way is very, very, effective. His bona fides are displayed in his students. I can tell you that I witnessed many people lining up to be taught by Lynn.

Let the AI you mentioned develop his own students and his own site, or you do it for him if you wish.

Reading your posts lead me to believe you are very skillful regarding golf. Do you have a site celebrating and promoting your understanding? Do you give lessons? I would think you could really help a person golf more effectively. If you start a site, I will read it from time to time and I'm sure I will learn things. :)

ICT

Golfer friendly?
 

I spent several hours a day with Lynn for four days. I have an artificial hip and uneven leg length that effects my every step. All three of my kids grew-up walking with a limp because they thought they were supposed to walk as their dad walked. I had to convince each one in turn they could walk like their mother.

Lynn, reformed my swing effectively throughout the bag. Lynn was friendly and easy to understand and his teachings were and are easy to implement. Lynn gave me much more than I gave him :golf:

You seem to want to start a debate or continue one. As you kick up dust you will mislead and discourage people from learning from Lynn for your own reasons causing them maybe to give up this great game. :naughty:

My opinion is that you should build your own program or front for your AI on another site. You should be respectful to the owner of this site and not take back-hand slaps at such a generous, hard-working, and skillful person.

ICT

No, he should keep his Certification IF he attended the two day lecture and passed the open-book exam and continues to pay Annual Dues.

But....... he should return the Decoder Ring and Cape and if he attended classes before June 1st and received the Bonus Dance Lesson coupons at graduation, he should return any unused portion. :)

Yes, with the golfing machine there is no room for opinion only facts, more importantly the Truth. The above respondes don't surprise me.

me neither

The Golf Factory "distillation" has more than a few things which are theirs alone. Inconsistencies with TGM. Nothing wrong with that except the attribution to Homer.

His ball flight laws in Chapter 12 are not consistent with TGM for instance. Initial direction as a result of clubhead path sounds familiar but that is not what Homer maintained. In my opinion.

The Golfing Machine is not open to interpretation. Poems are open to interpretation. The Golfing Machine is not a Poem. I get tired of all of this "Politically Correct" paddy-cake stuff. Call a Spade a Spade.

This guy claims to have an AI Certificate. That means he didn't fall asleep for too long during a two day seminar and passed an open book test above minimum standards.

TGM is easy to understand if you do the work, it is all in the book for whoever wants to find it!! If you don't want to, find Lynn and let him educate you!!

Many instruction books have tried to create the TGM simplified and they end up incomplete for some, great for others and disaster for many!!!

If you find your stroke pattern, by yourself or with an AI, stick to it and continue to add precision, what could be simpler?

Discussion, debate and argument are great for learning the book and can actually be entertaining at times, but do they really help your golf game, they do assist the teachers, coaches and instructors, but the simple version for each individual is in the book, find it, live it, love it!!

It's your way, not the way!!

Todd

Certifiable
 

Daryl,

Even at the most basis level, there is more to being certified than that :confused1 .

Your Friendly Neighborhood PGA, A.I.

Dues? :) :)

Having your cake and drinking it too!
 

For those that embark on the journey toward A.I. status, this is the place to be. I was fortunate enough to have perfect grades in both the extensive written and oral testing as well as the demonstration portion. I don't say this to impress you, but to impress upon you the important of LBG. Everything you need to know is on this forum. I don't say that lightly. After spending so much time here, achieving A.I. status was a piece of cake and you can spend more time at the bar with you fellow A.I.'s in training :occasion:...then there is the dues.

Drew, You are a humble gentleman, and I know you are not saying that to impress, but I can't help it. What an accomplishment!!! :salut: :salut: :salut:

Kevin

Golf at the Factory
 

If that were true, there wouldn't be a need for a Golf Factory book.

Drew,

You're a true credit to the game, TGM, and LBG. When you talk, I listen.

I'm against "Book Burning" but for the "Golf Factory" book, I'll make an exception. :)

Nice group of golfers ya got here Lynn!!! Resorting to violence in 20 posts or less. Sweet. :salut:

Just read this post and it is disappointing to say the least. What is nice about this site is Lynn is courteous enough not only to allow "competitors" to be mentioned on the site, but also different ideas regarding the Golfing Machine. His gallery includes both Doyle and Tomasello for instance. Homer Kelley is dead. He cannot validate or endorse anything anymore. Doyle, Tomasello, Sloan and Blake all spent time with him, as did other instructors. All have different methods, to say one is right or wrong, which Mr. Blake never does, is simply arrogant and outside the spirit of a book that is designed to open people's minds about the golf swing, not close them. Other sites out there have rabid supporters who attack anyone who disagrees,one hopes this site does not become one. Delaware Golf is a gentleman and devotee of Tomasello's teaching. He has never criticized Lynn Blake's teaching in any post, I reviewed all of them. No one other than Tomasello and Kelley know what they discussed, Homer's taped lessons reflect some thoughts not put in the Golfing Machine explicitly and I assume he was always adapting, as any good scientist. I find some of Tomasello's lessons fascinating, as I do with Blake, Sloan, Evans, Fort and many others. Suggesting Delaware Golf go elsewhere for providing a perspective that we can disagree with or suggesting that some pro who took the time to write an online book about his interpretation of the Golfing Machine have it burned reflects a closemindedness that in no way fits in with the forty year search for truth about golf that Homer Kelley devoted so much of his life to. Those on this post who were harshest have wonderful posts and I learn a lot from them. Civility is a lost quality on the internet, it would be nice if it existed here at least.

Yeppers, I made a mistake.
 

DG did not lead this thread with a mechanical concept because he did not want a mechanical discussion. He simply wanted a fight which I gave him so he'd feel some validation of his own animosity. I'll do better next time DG and just let you vent with your lack of grace.

You seem to enjoy the victim role so well. "Those mean LBG people are picking on me," sort of thing. :)

For your own edification DG, when you lead with an insult you are looking for more of the same.

Lead with a technical concept or technical observation to invite thoughtful discussion.

ICT

addition by subtraction
 

May we add "Mein Kampf," by ah as long as the bonfire is going? :)

ICT

I guess my pre-emptive non strike wasn't very effective. :)

Kevin

case in point
 

Lynn is probably very busy teaching simple alignments and making the game of golf fun for unskilled golfers like me and accomplished touring pros like, name a dozen or so.

DG, go teach someone something and you'll get lots of challenges and have fun, interesting adventures of the mind and spirit and a few disagreements too! :)

Of course, you'd do that if you wanted more than just an argument.

ICT

I am at a complete loss as to how DG's post was either an insult to Lynn Blake or an invitation to fight? He indicated some criticism may be forthcoming, nothing else. What am I missing?

I think it's just history. DG tends to be as protective of Mr.Tomasselo as we are of Mr. Blake. Both wonderful ambassadors of TGM, I love it that YODA preserved the Tomassello videos on his site. We all need to quit taking this stuff so personally. I am very guilty myself... :salut:

Kevin

4 days with a great human being
 

Dodger, if someone expressed sarcasm about your golfing skills after I saw your skills in person, I'd disagree with them to their face. I spent four days seeing Mr. Blake's tremendous skill and passion teaching and doing brilliant golf insight. And the line admiring Mr. Blake and seeking his insight stretches outside the beautiful Cuscowilla resort to uhmm, around the world. :)

So, here comes DG expressing "surprise" that Lynn's sight is somehow lacking in friendliness to golfers or insight into the machine. Really?

And btw, Mr. Tomasello's tapes seem instructive to me and he seems like a very approachable and knowledgeable instructor based on his tapes. If I had known him personally, and if I heard a person insult his friendliness or skill or intellectual curiosity about golf, I would say something in his defense. Why should naysayers get a free pass?

My point remains the same. Technique questions or machine questions are fine imo. "Why does Nick Faldo advocate keeping a flat right foot in hitting a certain type of 9 iron shot," for example, is a legitimate question. "Why does Nick Faldo not understand the really useful golfing technique advocated by the genius Mr. Smith," is just trying to spit on a person while supposedly speaking to them. :naughty:

Dodger, btw, good luck on your club championship and other endeavors. You seem to have great skills! :)

ICT

Civility? Geez, I'm holding back big time. The "Book" has nothing to do with TGM.

Have you bothered to read the On-Line book? It's a "hook". The guy sells Myrtle Beach Golf Vacations and uses the book to draw in customers.

Here's an excerpt:


Are you kidding me? It's this kind of trash that gives all TGM'ers a bad rap.

Wanting to start a fight is ridiculus. I accidently discovered the Golf Factory book per a search for the 1st edition of TGM. I did my due diligence, searched Lynn's sight for any reference to the Golf Factory text, found none. Only expected a debate in regards to the technical validity of the books content, not what followed. Sorry for not including some technical spin on the factory's presentation and analysis. However, I'm actually surprised at the 1st chapter with the presentation of the three essentials instead of a presentation of the three imperatives.

My responses have to be kept short, I'm studying for a professional exam. Maybe I will add more after the exam is complete (6/4).

DG

Thanks Patrick. My point is in defense of Delaware Golf, not the golf factory. DG did not say one derogatory thing about Lynn Blake in this thread. He criticized some of us, which is not the same thing. This is Mr. Blake's site, thank goodness it is here. If someone comes on here attacking Mr. Blake or his teaching, Mr. Blake has every right to bar them. DG likes to share Tomasello teachings, I like reading the posts. I do not see how they do not belong on a site devoted to The Golfing Machine. I did read the golf factory stuff and agree with Daryl, there is better stuff out there. But, if someone reads it and thinks they need more and find this site or buy the book, what is the harm? As far as TGM, this site is the gold standard. DG did not attack Mr. Blake whatsoever, if he had, Lynn would have laid him out himself. DG was a poster here long before me and you, he may post some instruction we disagree with, but he did not deserve the disrespect shown. Lynn Blake may be the only one who posts on this site that knows all there is to know about the golf swing, I doubt anyone else can make that claim. Again, criticism of the golf factory book is fine, it is cursory, incomplete and sometimes inaccurate, like any book that attempts to provide Golfing Machine lite, including Clampett's book. Delaware Golf probably does not need my defense, but he should not be discouraged from sharing other instruction unless Lynn requests otherwise, it is his site.

Agree to disagree
 

I'm fine Dodger, no biggie. I can let it go. I made my point. :)

ICT

Let It Be
 

DG and I have dueled here (and elsewhere) in many prior cyber-wars. He exhorts and defends the Tom Tomasello Faith. Also, his own understandings of same. These are free forums . . .

I have no problem with that.

:salut: