Tomasello's Right Forearm Takeaway versus Standard Hip Action
 

When I studied with Tom Tomasello back in 1993, we worked on both right forearm takeaway and a Standard Hip Action startup (Tommy's Right Hip\Right Forearm (Backswing Sequence) and Right Forearm/Left Hip (Downstroke Sequence). At the time, Tommy didn't mention that Homer was going to put Standard Hip Action in the 7th edition (or maybe he did and it didn't register at the time). But I have Tommy on video mentioning that potential change. I suggest trying both techniques...for my full swing I'm favoring using Standard Hip Action, it works beautifully with extensor action. It complies nicely with the comment in section 6-B-1-0 where Homer writes. "Even though the Right Biceps is active, per 7-3, the Backstroe (8-5) is always made with the Right Arm striving to remain straight. But the straight Left Arm restrains this continous Extensor Action of the right triceps with an effortless Checkrein Action." With TGM you have options.

Using standard hip action with both full Swinging and Hitting Strokes and Right Forearm Takeaway for less than full shots where Full Sweep Loading is required (early left wrist cock).

Eventhough Tomasello was a big advocate of using the Right Side in both Swinging and Hitting, in Tom's teaching practice he also had students using a passive right arm. Look no further than PGA and LPGA pros Jodie Mudd (playing on the Champions Tour) and Sally Little. Shoulder Turn Throw.

DG

great stuff, standard hip action and the right forearm takeaway has really helped my game. thanks for the good post DG.

Really fun to look at different ways folks look at The Machine. Great stuff Delaware. I'm glad guys like YODA make video from these other wonderful teachers available.

Kevin

good point Kev, different ways to communicate a common message. One common goal, simplify TGM for the golfer. Tommasello and Lynn do that so well. We get so hung up on the means of communication, the terminology. If I stop at two different gas stations and get directions to my destination, the simplest one will always get my attention. Watching the Tomasello videos and alignment golf, one is left with one conclusion: "I can do this", the goal of all instruction in any avocation. We golfers were left with so much from Homer and late teachers like Tommy T that communicated so well. Thanks to LBG for being such a great bridge to the future by offering the videos in the gallery.

Just watched Tomasello video Chapter 1 - The Pivot.

When he says to drop the right shoulder to begin the downswing - Is that still relevant today?

I'll go ahead and take a shot. This could be him describing the 10-13-A Standard Shoulder Turn, Which is a Flat Backstroke Turn followed by an On Plane Downstroke Shoulder Turn. So him saying to drop the right shoulder to begin the downswing could be the shoulder dropping On Plane in the Downstroke. Go easy on me, it's my first time :confused1

Still pretty relevant, if your other components fit. If your shoulder turn is rotated as opposed to flat, it may not work as well. The right shoulder needs to get on plane in the downswing. It moves down, forward and out. Imagine a clubface on your right shoulder and drive it into the ball. However, that could lead to disaster if your right shoulder is not positioned properly in the backswing. Tomasello in the pivot video teaches a flat shoulder turn. Moving the right shoulder down works well with that turn. The golfing machine works when all components work with one another, there are a myriad of options. I have found by painful personal experience that taking one component, the right shoulder driving down to start the swing for instance, may work one day and not the next because some other component enters into the fray.

Another in a long line of great posts. We Minnesotans need to get together soon, if spring ever starts, and watch each other swat some balls. I'm cranking her up again after 5 years away from playing!

Right-Left-Right-Left... :salut:

Kevin

Shoulder Down swing
 

Supposely it took Jodie Mudd a year and half of working with Tomasello to get that 10-20-C downswing together.

The main reason I asked about that move still being relevant is that I have a hard time starting the down stroke.

Tomasello's tip seemed to me to be a great way to insure my right shoulder started down plane and that it could also possibly help with my start move down.

After reading in another thread that my pivot was probably not the best. I now know that not being able to get my right shoulder started down plane correctly, pivot and of course weight shift are of all related.

I'm not sure if I have a flat shoulder turn or not on back stroke? On the down swing I know I do hence my OTT move that I have never been able to cure completely, but I don't think thats what you mean. Standing up in the down stroke, causing OTT and pull hooks, pulls and push fades is not a flat shoulder turn on back stroke! :eyes:

Will it never end?

We're Off to See the Yoda...
 

It will when those proper Alignments start becoming a mainstay in your Motion :salut: "The only real short cuts are more and more know-how" 1-E. Follow the Yellow-Book Road, seek the guidance of the Green One, and it'll come :happy3:

Tom also said (I think),by dropping the R/shoulder down,it has a couple of good things happen. 1. It enables the R/elbow to clear the right hip,and 2. it enables the swing to make inside out to path thus stopping the dreaded OTT

Very important to note that that aspect of the video can be easily misunderstood to disastrous results. It appears (to me) that his shoulder moves down vertically.

The right shoulder works down plane, NOT simply down. (A common reaction to a path that is already too inside-out)

Thanks Andy,
 

My bad Andy,you are quite right,i simply took it as down plane,we sometimes have to explain ourselves right straight up.
Ive been away TOO long but will get back in the saddle soon nuff cheers

Actually, my bad, I didn't mean to give the impression I was correcting you, sorry. lol

I mentioned it because, in watching the video, I noticed that it really looks like his shoulder moves straight down... I'm sure that was unintentional, but it could confuse people.

I developed that exact flaw as a hook compensation brought on by an ill-advised grip adjustment - and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Truly awful. ^_^

thanks
 

All good Andy thanks

Yes, let's watch Mr. Tomasello in action swing a golf club and demonstrate the lowering of the right shoulder. BTW, per the comment of the individual watching Tommy execute golf shots, I don't believe he is producing disastrous results. Got to be one of the best golf swings of any G.O.L.F authorized instructor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFkM8AEzV1E

Piqued my curiosity
 

Very end of tape has a great explanation of re-connecting and Both Arms Straight by example.

http://youtu.be/5qV-FuP-1c4

Similarities with Hogan?

http://youtu.be/_G69o5q1mac\

http://youtu.be/_G69o5q1mac





IC T

Pleasure
 

Hey fellas,thanks for putting that up,he is one guy i could watch hit for hours

The Magic Of The Left Forearm
 

I enjoy watching that swing very much, just as I do others like YODA and McHatton and many other TGM practitioners.. Different approaches to The Machine, all beautifully done.

I don't get to play or practice much anymore, but I was giving a lesson the other day to a good follower of TGM who I was working with for the first time. He told me my swing looked like Lynn's. The best compliment I could have gotten, but I think he was just trying to make me feel good... :) This gentleman had a wonderful motion as well, but played from the wrong side. Somehow, The Magic Of The Left Forearm just doesn't have the same ring to it! :laughing9

DG, thanks for sharing more insight into Mr. Tomasello!!! :salut:

Kevin

Thank you, Mr. Sanctimonious... ^_^

We're gonna need a DTL view to see whether that right shoulder moves downward vertically vs. down plane. :naughty:

Thanks Delaware. Enjoyed the video immensely.