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Daryti 01-03-2011 11:04 PM

Swinging start with impact fix
 
In this youtube video:" Golf Tips of Jack Nicklaus & Arnold Palmer : Jack Nicklaus Hand Position Golf Tips" it talks about Jack starting at impact fix with all clubs. However, it does not understand why should start at adjusted address to create the swinging lag!

Yoda 01-03-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryti (Post 80949)

In this youtube video:" Golf Tips of Jack Nicklaus & Arnold Palmer : Jack Nicklaus Hand Position Golf Tips" it talks about Jack starting at impact fix with all clubs. However, it does not understand why should start at adjusted address to create the swinging lag!

Daryti,

You didn't embed your video. Please do so we can all take a look.

Thanks!

:salut:

Daryti 01-03-2011 11:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy4VRWbJ8_g

Here is the link.

Yoda 01-04-2011 12:16 AM

Lag and Drag Wrist Alignments -- Back and Through
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryti (Post 80949)
In this youtube video:" Golf Tips of Jack Nicklaus & Arnold Palmer : Jack Nicklaus Hand Position Golf Tips" it talks about Jack starting at impact fix with all clubs. However, it does not understand why should start at adjusted address to create the swinging lag!

With the exception of Jack Nicklaus, virtually every great player in history started from Standard Address: Hands mid-body and the Clubshaft at right angles to the Line (or nearly so). A few names over the past century come to mind: Harry Vardon, Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Byron Nelson, Arnold Palmer, Billy Casper, Lee Trevino, and a host of today's players including Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, and Lee Westwood.

At 1.20 of the video, the professional asks with an incredulous tone "Why would anybody start this way?" It's a good question, especially in the light of his compelling logic: "You want to be here at Impact, so why would you not want to begin that way?"

Homer Kelley had a pet phrase describing this phenomenon of logical opinion versus scientific fact: "Seems as if". And that is exactly the situation here. Leaving aside the fact that the above mentioned players apparently found their own reasons, let's answer the question this way:

The mid-body position puts the Hands in a very advantageous position from which to lead the Club into the Backstroke. In fact, they now are already leading! This creates, in the very beginning of the Stroke, the condition of Lag and Drag. The Lagging Clubhead puts a Drag on the leading Hands. This Feel is maintained throughout the Backstroke. Then, from the Top, the direction of the Stroke reverses. The Hands sense that reversal and continue their Dragging Feel as they lead the Club through Impact.

The key is Lag and Drag. The Wrist Conditions that best promote this at Address are Flat Right and Bent Left. At Impact, they are the opposite: Flat Left and Bent Right. Unfortunately, the "logic" that promotes Impact alignments as Address alignments is as familiar as it is flawed.

For those who would play their best golf (especially Swingers) . . .

Caveat emptor.

:golfcart2:

innercityteacher 01-04-2011 01:05 AM

I get it. Rehearse Impact Fix. Play from Mid-Body.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 80957)
With the exception of Jack Nicklaus, virtually every great player in history started from Standard Address: Hands mid-body and the Clubshaft at right angles to the Line (or nearly so). A few names over the past century come to mind: Harry Vardon, Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Byron Nelson, Arnold Palmer, Billy Casper, Lee Trevino, and a host of today's players including Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, and Lee Westwood.

At 1.20 of the video, the professional asks with an incredulous tone "Why would anybody start this way?" It's a good question, especially in the light of his compelling logic: "You want to be here at Impact, so why would you not want to begin that way?"

Homer Kelley had a pet phrase describing this phenomenon of logical opinion versus scientific fact: "Seems as if". And that is exactly the situation here. Leaving aside the fact that the above mentioned players apparently found their own reasons, let's answer the question this way:

The mid-body position puts the Hands in a very advantageous position from which to lead the Club into the Backstroke. In fact, they now are already leading! This creates, in the very beginning of the Stroke, the condition of Lag and Drag. The Lagging Clubhead puts a Drag on the leading Hands. This Feel is maintained throughout the Backstroke. Then, from the Top, the direction of the Stroke reverses. The Hands sense that reversal and continue their Dragging Feel as they lead the Club through Impact.

The key is Lag and Drag. The Wrist Conditions that best promote this at Address are Flat Right and Bent Left. At Impact, they are the opposite: Flat Left and Bent Right. Unfortunately, the "logic" that promotes Impact alignments as Address alignments is as familiar as it is flawed.

For those who would play their best golf (especially Swingers) . . .

Caveat emptor.

:golfcart2:

Lag and Drag to Swing. :)


ICT

Yoda 01-04-2011 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80958)

Lag and Drag to Swing. :)


Or Hit.

:smile:

And now, from the title of your post:

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher
I get it. Rehearse Impact Fix. Play from Mid-Body.

[Bold emphasis by Yoda.]

Almost, but not quite. Regretfully, I must inform you . . .

No, you don't "get it". At least not yet. But you will in just a few keystrokes!

:mrgreen:

You "rehearse" Impact alignments at Impact Fix (Section Two of the Stroke/8-2; see also 7-2/#1-#4). You "rehearse" Address alignments in Adjusted Address (Section Three of the Stroke/ 8-3) and its Routine (3-F-5 and 12-3/Section 3; see also 2-J-1).

You "play" with both (3-B; 8-0; and Chapter 14).

:salut:

innercityteacher 01-04-2011 02:19 AM

Many Keystrokes and rehearsals to go....
 
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 80959)
Or Hit.

:smile:

And now, from the title of your post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher
I get it. Rehearse Impact Fix. Play from Mid-Body.

[Bold emphasis by Yoda.]

Almost, but not quite. Regretfully, I must inform you . . .

No, you don't "get it". At least not yet. But you will in just a few keystrokes!

:mrgreen:

You "rehearse" Impact alignments at Impact Fix (Section Two of the Stroke/8-2; see also 7-2/#1-#4). You "rehearse" Address alignments in Adjusted Address (Section Three of the Stroke/ 8-3) and its Routine (3-F-5 and 12-3/Section 3; see also 2-J-1).

You "play" with both (3-B; 8-0; and Chapter 14).

:salut:

....before I shoot par with regularity but now I'll rest. It has been a profitable day for G.O.L.F. ing insights. I know the 3 Imperatives and some of the Magic of the Right Forearm. I know how to ID TSP and Elbow Plane. I know why the Flying Wedges need each other and the Right Forearm. I understand some of the advantage of mid-body hands for a Swinger and some of the power and precision offered to both Swinger and Hitter by RFT and EA.

I'll see if I can match the words to the music during an indoor league Friday night with a simple effective Swing.

Thanks Lynn and everyone. :golfcart:

ICT

airair 01-04-2011 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 80957)

Caveat emptor.

:golfcart2:

In addition to the book - which is difficult enough, do we also have to learn Latin to understand what's going on?

[Latin, Let the buyer beware.] A warning that notifies a buyer that the goods he or she is buying are "as is," or subject to all defects.

Veni, vidi, vici

O.B.Left 01-04-2011 03:48 PM

Dont have my book with me but I believe both 12-1 and 12-2 start from Adjusted.

Daryl 01-04-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 80982)
Dont have my book with me but I believe both 12-1 and 12-2 start from Adjusted.

Standard (but I don't have the Book with me). :laughing9

drewitgolf 01-04-2011 05:04 PM

Just Roman the Forum
 
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Originally Posted by airair (Post 80964)
In addition to the book - which is difficult enough, do we also have to learn Latin to understand what's going on?

Veni, vidi, vici

I came, I saw, I conquered.

I knew four years of Latin would pay off eventually.


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