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airair 09-12-2010 05:32 AM

Drag The Wet Mop
 
Please explain what to learn by this video?

Is it drag loading for a swinger or lag for both hitters and swinger or impact training or FLW or what is it?

airair 09-13-2010 07:19 PM

It probably helps to improve your ability to make floors cleaner.

Daryl 09-13-2010 08:04 PM

There are many more things, some more important than those that I've listed below.

Grip the Mop as you would a Golf Club.

A. Move the Wet Mop with your wrists and notice a few things:
  1. The wet mop is very heavy
  2. The pressure on the #3 PP changes as the mop is moved from right to left
  3. The range of motion is short and feeble and you start using your arms to assist moving the mop head
  4. When you use your arms to assist, then your body contorts and must use ground forces :) to support the effort.
  5. When you've finished moving the mop head from right to left, the mop head is likely to be ahead of your hands and your hands behind your head.

B. Drag the Wet Mop with your Pivot. Align the Flying Wedges.
  1. The Wet Mop is very heavy
  2. The #3 PP Pressure remains constant
  3. The Range of motion is as far as your pivot can turn
  4. Your Hands are Clamps
  5. Your Wrists are not turning and twisting so you can trace the Plane Line with the #3 PP by adjusting your Pivot to comply.
  6. When you've finished moving the mop head from right to left, your Hands are ahead of the Mop Head and the Mop Head is ahead of your Head.
  7. Pivot Lag

airair 09-13-2010 08:13 PM

Thank you. That helped. Where do you get all your information from?

Daryl 09-13-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by airair (Post 75840)
Thank you. That helped. Where do you get all your information from?

I have a mop and bucket and, I copy from everyone.

airair 09-13-2010 08:58 PM

That made you a better golfer and/or the floor got cleaned?

O.B.Left 09-13-2010 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 75842)
I have a mop and bucket and, I copy from everyone.

Ah, you have Bucket and you're copying his TGM thoughts?

I thought Mike O. had him down in his cellar. "Thats what he said", anyways.

Daryl 09-13-2010 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 75843)
That made you a better golfer and/or the floor got cleaned?

I think that "Dragging a Wet Mop" is good education for the Hands. Pressure Points, Constant-Stable Pressure, Hands are Clamps, Plane Line Tracing, Flying Wedges, etc. Use the Mop with each hand separately, especially the Right Forearm Flying Wedge.

It also educates the Pivot. Pivot Lag. Get a Wet Mop and use your Pivot to drag it through the Impact Zone. It helps take the wobble out of the Pivot.

The Wet Mop is very Heavy but the Pivot can drag it well. I don't know of any substitute. It's about as basic as you can get. Arc of Approach.

10-2-B. Left Wrist Flat - Level - Vertical. Right Wrist Bent - Level - Vertical. Left Thumb and #3 PP on the Aft Side of the Shaft (Sweetspot Plane)

airair 09-13-2010 10:02 PM

Is this a swinger or hitter exercise - or does it work just as well for both?

airair 09-14-2010 05:38 AM

I see O.B.Left has writen about the subject before. This gives the explanation I was looking for. The only thing left is to know if this exercise is just as useful for hitters as for swingers or if it's more suitable for one of the groups?

..........................

02-25-2009,
O.B.Left
Senior Member


Homer said the secret to golf was Lag. The "drag the wet mop" analogy refers to the feeling associated with lag. The wet mop is heavy and as such creates more drag and lag, inertia. It resists the changes in direction more than a lighter dry mop or broom with less mass.

The clubhead is in the process of overtaking the hands during the downswing. TGM wants us to hit the ball with the hands ahead of the ball and the clubhead trailing or lagging behind. A heavy feeling, lagging clubhead. Once the clubhead passes the hands the lag is gone, over. This lagging condition can be sensed, monitored, ideally nursed via the Lag Pressure Point (the #3 pressure point) between the knuckle and the first joint of the right index finger.

If Homer thought the secret to golf was Lag you can imagine the importance of the Lag Pressure Point. I now view concentration as pressure point awareness. With a feeling of lag in the pressure point #3 good things happen golf wise.

Try it with some short chip shots and see if you discover a correlation. If you do and decide to keep your focus on the pressure points you'll be ahead of the game.
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airair 09-14-2010 06:20 AM

I see I must do a better job of searching before I start to ask questions..

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Originally Posted by greyguy

Is dragging the mop feel best suited for "swingers" and not so much for "hitters"? Or is it a good feel for both?

and Yoda answered: (05-23-2009)

Hitters should substitute the phrase "DRIVE the wet mop."

Yoda 09-14-2010 10:57 AM

Doing and Knowing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 75840)
Thank you. That helped. Where do you get all your information from?

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 75855)
I see O.B.Left has writen about the subject before. This gives the explanation I was looking for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 75857)
I see I must do a better job of searching before I start to ask questions..

At some point, Air, you might want to try doing it, i.e., use a golf-like motion to actually drag a big, wet heavy mop along a floor, patio, deck or whatever.

:)

Here's how I went about it years ago:

1. Buy or borrow a large, industrial grade mop. Avoid the wimpy, grocery store household models. They just don't cut it.

2. Soak it in water.

3. Assume a golf-like stance, place the mop about three or four feet behind a simulated ball positio, and grip the handle as a simulated golf club.

4. With the mop remaining in contact with the surface at all times, use a golflike motion to 'drag the wet mop' to the end of the 'follow-through (both arms straight). Make sure you use your pivot -- not just your arms and hands -- to help you set up the initial dragging, accelerating motion. Then, use your arms to continue the 'delivery' until the right elbow is straight. Finally, be sure to keep your left wrist flat and right wrist bent at all times.

5. Repeat this exercise as often as necessary to get and retain the correct 'feel' of the totally inert Clubhead Lag Pressure Point Pressure. No verbal or written explanation can possibly teach you what you will learn by actually dragging a big, heavy, wet mop through 'impact'.

Daryl obviously has done this. Hence the excellent comments in his Post #3 above. Thanks, Daryl!
"I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I know."
:salut:

airair 09-14-2010 11:37 AM

Thank you.
I'll see if I can find one of these - not so many more around (here) I'm afraid....

Yoda 09-14-2010 12:47 PM

Mop-Up Operation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 75860)
Thank you.
I'll see if I can find one of these - not so many more around (here) I'm afraid....

Time to get creative, Air.

Go to a local grocery store and ask the manager what night they mop. Then, make a deal!

Alternatively, drop a jar of pickles on the floor, and when the Mop & Bucket Brigade arrives, insist that you clean up the mess. The jar of pickles is less expensive than a mop, and you'll be 'dragging' in no time!

:laughing9

airair 09-14-2010 01:01 PM

whow...

In the meantime

I just tried wrapping the handle of my impact bag around the clubhead of an old hybrid I have here and that gives a lot of resistence (maybe too much?) when I try dragging (driving) it along the carpet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYUytXDPFhQ

drewitgolf 09-14-2010 01:21 PM

Getting Pickled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 75863)
Time to get creative, Air.

Go to a local grocery store and ask the manager what night they mop. Then, make a deal!

Alternatively, drop a jar of pickles on the floor, and when the Mop & Bucket Brigade arrives, insist that you clean up the mess. The jar of pickles is less expensive than a mop, and you'll be 'dragging' in no time!

:laughing9

Never hang out with the "Bucket Brigade" when there is loose pickles around :confused1 .

O.B.Left 09-14-2010 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 75863)
Time to get creative, Air.

Go to a local grocery store and ask the manager what night they mop. Then, make a deal!

Alternatively, drop a jar of pickles on the floor, and when the Mop & Bucket Brigade arrives, insist that you clean up the mess. The jar of pickles is less expensive than a mop, and you'll be 'dragging' in no time!

:laughing9



Somewhere or other I once saw a photo of golf instructor dragging a pit bull around in golf like fashion. He looked like a good guy to get a lesson from actually. Now who was that guy........

Yoda 09-14-2010 02:12 PM

Drag That Pit Bull!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 75868)
Somewhere or other I once saw a photo of golf instructor dragging a pit bull around in golf like fashion. He looked like a good guy to get a lesson from actually. Now who was that guy........

My video and the 'swing sequence' capture and comparison is part of our Lynn Blake Certified Instructor Training Curriculum. It would make a good post. I'll add it to the 'To Do' list.

:eyes:

airair 09-14-2010 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 75865)
whow...

In the meantime

I just tried wrapping the handle of my impact bag around the clubhead of an old hybrid I have here and that gives a lot of resistence (maybe too much?) when I try dragging (driving) it along the carpet.

Are there any weight limitations to how heavy this drag/push is supposed to be? The "creative" solution I am trying now is rather heavy (good strengh training?)

12 piece bucket 09-14-2010 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 75866)
Never hang out with the "Bucket Brigade" when there is loose pickles around :confused1 .

Niiiiiiiiice!

O.B.Left 09-14-2010 05:39 PM

Well "drag the wet pickle" its Bucket!

Where've you been lately? I was worried Mike had you all tied up again or something.

Yoda 09-14-2010 09:22 PM

Haul Away!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 75872)
Are there any weight limitations to how heavy this drag/push is supposed to be? The "creative" solution I am trying now is rather heavy (good strengh training?)

No limitations, Air. Drag away!
"Properly manipulated, Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate . . . " (7-19)
Describing the feel of loading and delivering clubhead lag pressure has always been a challenge to golf instructors. In his 1946 classic On Learning Golf, Percy Boomer offered as an analogy these commands to navy deckhands as they pull their ropes with three degrees of tension:

"Take up the slack."

"Take up the strain. "

"Haul away!"

:golfcart2:

innercityteacher 09-14-2010 11:17 PM

Air, as a fella who has tried lots of these drills from frosty March until now...
 
Might I recommend pacing yourself and taking careful notes as you practice and play? If you have a large discount chain, you might invest in a portable lawn chair, vitamins, a note pad, pen or pencil set, and depending on your environs, a portable heater, Gatorade, hot chocolate and suitable clothing? :)

My point is that you enjoy the process of trail and error. You have fellow scientists here to encourage and guide you so relax, get the book and dvd's etc. and make yourself comfortable and effective.

I am a goal-setting type. My goal was to get to a single digit hcp. index in one season. I'll be there by the time the snow flies in Philly, I believe. My next goal is to prove my skills to my new friends on this site by besting them in a match or two on a neutral course in April. We'll see how that turns out! :golfcart:

Hauling away!!!!

YBGF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 75892)
No limitations, Air. Drag away!
"Properly manipulated, Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate . . . " (7-19)
Describing the feel of loading and delivering clubhead lag pressure has always been a challenge to golf instructors. In his 1946 classic On Learning Golf, Percy Boomer offered as an analogy these commands to navy deckhands as they pull their ropes with three degrees of tension:

"Take up the slack."

"Take up the strain. "

"Haul away!"

:golfcart2:


airair 09-15-2010 04:42 AM

As the expert you are in these matters your suggestions are duly noted and will be implemented as time goes by.

airair 09-26-2010 08:30 PM

[quote=Yoda;75892]No limitations, Air. Drag away!
"Properly manipulated, Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate . . . " (7-19)
I am contemplating to buy a St. Bernards dog to mop the floor with.


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