Clear the right hip: 12-3-0
 

Section 3, #13 states "Forward Press--Clear Right Hip"
Section 6, # 24 states "Clear Right Hip"

Is the right hip rotated in the same direction for these?? or, pls clarify.

Thanks

DRW

Now that is a great question Doc. If its cleared already why or how does one clear it again?

My personal interpretation, with a little help from my friends, is that the first "clear" is a turn of the right hip, the second "clear" is a Slide of the previously turned Right Hip which Tilts the Axis of the Shoulders , gets the weight left and "clears" a path for a Straight Line Delivery Path of the Hands.

So in terms of the right hip its: "turn, slide" and then swing all with a centered Head. Slide with a Delayed Turn of the Hips. Mr Hogan's pattern is a fine example of this procedure. There was a cleared Right Hip in both directions, no "Roundhousing", NO!

Who said that the "Hip Turn" is a "Rotation"? Rotate around what? Although "Turn" is used in the little book, the term "Rotation" is not.

Clearing the Hips boils down to the Right Elbow and Right Hip, although coordinated, moving independently. The Right Hip should not interfere with the Right Elbow in either direction.

The "Forward Press", with a Stationary Head, is a Parallel Slide of the Hips and Hands a couple of inches to the Left. This Slide Tilts the Secondary Axis. This is an important alignment because as the Hands move to the Right during Start-Up, the Right Hip will be pushed Backwards behind the player so as not to interfere with the Hands and Elbow Path.

From the Top, verify that the Right Hip is behind its start-up location. The Horizontal Red Line in the Illustration below, is the line that the Hips are on at Address.



The illustration below shows the Hip Turn drawn on the Ground. Note the number of straight lines. Note that during the Backstroke, both Hips move in straight Lines, and, while arriving at the Top of the Swing, are Turned to the Plane Line. They are not Rotated although each hip Bone is rotated in each socket.



Too bad he's an Elbow Plane Swinger. Look at that 10-7-E Reverse Shift. Anyway, not a bad Hip Turn but could be better. Wow, that flexibility is awesome.

D I find this overhead perspective of the Hips to be fascinating. There's options of course. It'd be really interesting to get good players perspectives on their own "tracer lines".

Did you ever see the wee ice blob's? Its a modeled version of Mr Hogan, not sure how accurate but very interesting. Remember you have options.


The first blue tracer is the movement of the left hip, the second yellow one is the right hip and the third green one is the right elbow.

Look at how the Right Hip moves south west in Startup, how the Left Hip after its Slide has a sharp "C" shape (Homer's observation about Hogan's quick initial Hip acceleration? Maybe.) This is like swing DNA.

Question: Mr Kelley tried to make most things right sided, the left shoulder went where the right shoulder directed it to go for instance. But what about the Left Hip , does it respond to the right hips motion or action or does it turn and pull? I can see how the Swinger when Drag Loading could use that left hip pull. Does Homer discuss this left vs right hip thing?

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If one can achieve a 180 degree shoulder turn with less hip turn and no loss of power wouldn't that be an advantage? Less moving parts?

This is the best example of a hip turn producing the forward bump in the turn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNwSfz0_KDM

I cant get the link, Im on my phone, but I think I know what it is...........If im saying "Turn, Slide then Swing" this'd be "Turn and Slide", at the same time on the backswing even. Maybe even more south west than the Henny Blobmans yellow tracer from Startup.

I goof with that one, isnt that what V.J.'s book is all about? I like that one too.

But I still maintain there is no one best way. Homer called it "Hula Hula" not just "Hula" after all.

I think that there are variations in Hip Turn. But for everyone, the Hip Turn should be accommodated by bending Knees and not by twisting the Legs.

Some may "feel" an actual Turn but many others don't although the Hips are Turned.

The issue was Clearing the Right Hip at Section 3 and 6. These are preparations. You need to prepare to Clear the Right Hip.

I think that Section 3 #13 is the big one. The Forward press while keeping the Right Hip back, gives the golfer a great opportunity to build Hip Clearing into the swing.

Hip Clearing, at the Top, isn't a big issue for me if I cleared the Hip out of the way in Section 3. Don't get me wrong. But it's more of an issue for Elbow Plane Shifts.

From 3-F-5

The Forward Press is Fixing in mind the appearance and feel of the Zone #3 Components at Impact by shifting the entire Machine per Stroke Pattern to the Impact position

Dear Kemo Sabe,

I stand corrected and rightly so.........I won't answer any more questions without consulting the book. Every passage mentioning Forward Press concerns getting to know Impact.

So, the "Forward Press" in "Section 3" is about knowing where the Right Hip and Elbow should be for Impact.

Then, and I'm only quessing, Section 6, # 24, "Clear Right Hip" is to know that it's out of the way and the Location it's traveling to for Impact?

From 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 Component 15: Delayed

Delayed Hip Action. Of course. Why make it any harder than it has to be. Keep it simple. Clear the Hips.

I am now thinking the two are the same and the note applies to Waggle and not Forward Press.

From 3-F-5 THE ADDRESS ROUTINE, the “Start Down” Waggle involves checking for “Clearing the Right Hip ( 2-N-0, 10-14).”

Further, from 2-N-0, “Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinating the Downstroke Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Position, Motion and Path to avoid collisions….”. and from 10-14-A, B, “use the….Turning/Sliding Hip to carry the Right Elbow around into Release position…”

Also, FWIW, the 7th Edition index contains Clear the Right Hip and Right Hip Clearing with the same seven references, plus Clear Right Hip with two references not included for the other subjects. The 6th Edition index does not contain these subjects

From the Top, verify that the Right Hip is behind its start-up location. The Horizont
 

Daryl~Does your graphic of the hip movement agree with VJ Trolio's Final Missing Piece or what is your assessment of the difference? Thanks.

My Hip Turn accommodates my swing strategy which includes a Stationary Head, strong Weight Shift and keeping the Spine angle from Address to Top of Swing while allowing a very strong sense of staying "On the Ball" and keeping the Hips well inside my Stance throughout the Swing. My Hip Action is on the very strong side of Action. "The Final Missing Piece" Hip Action is a little on the weak side and basically carries the Shoulders and Power Package around to Impact.

I try to keep Zone 1 as simple as possible.

1. PURPOSE
My Hip Turn Trace promotes a straight Line Delivery Path. This is my Hip Trace. This is the Path of the Hips for almost every Pivot Stroke.
"The Final Missing Piece" Left Hip moves in front of its Address Posture and promotes a Circle Path Delivery Path.

2. Comparison
Very Different
My Hip Turn leaves the Right Leg Forward Lean at Address undisturbed until the Downstroke by only moving the Right Hip behind about 3 inches while the Left Hip move laterally only to the Right.

Weight Shift
Top Of Swing: My Trace places 90% of the Weight on the Right Foot at the Top of the Swing. VJ's puts 75% of the Weight on the Left Foot at the Top of the Swing.

I almost sit back on my Right Hip Socket at the Top. With "The Final Missing Piece", one sits back on the Left Hip at the Top of the Swing.

My Hips Turn to the Plane Line but are not physically Turned. My Hip Turn is simply the Product of Knee Bend and weight shift with no rotational effort, while "The Final Missing Piece" Hip Turn is a purposeful rotation of the Hips.


Hip Trace of "The Final Missing Piece" is below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM8zE1s5qf4

Hogan Grid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGTAFuL2v0&NR=1



My Hip Trace

Interesting that, in both tracings, the left hip moves very little relative to the right hip. Don't know if there's anything significant there, but it's something I've never considered.

Thanks for the effort on the graphics.

Do you have an assessment relative to ease of clearing the right hip?

VJ mentioned that Hogan's right hip moves parallel to the target line as it positions left and also differentiated between the Hogan and Snead spine angle at the top/end.

Clearing the Right Hip is a Zone 1 issue. The Right Elbow doesn't interfere with the Right Hip, the Right Hip interferes with the Right Elbow.

Train Zone 1.

Lastly, if you stand fully upright and turn your hips, you legs twist to allow the motion. But when you bend at the waist or Hips then the knees bend and straighten to allow the Hips to Rotate in their sockets.

There are a lot of ways to swing a club but Zone 1 should accommodate. Secondary Axis Tilt is tricky because it often throws the entire machine off Plane with very little chance of recovering. This sometimes radical (2 or 3 degrees) inside-out swing needs a strong compensation otherwise the Club Shaft (and Club Head) rise above the Plane starting at Impact.

OK when I was walking around St Andrews with Lynn I asked him about this one. We were watching Dustin Johnson hit a "quail high" knock down on 11, as I recall. Anyways........his response was something to the effect that.....

"The right hip must turn inside the right shoulder". He mentioned an instructor from yesteryear that discussed this in detail. Sorry cant remember the name.

The Hip Slide as the second "clear" of the right hip in 12-3, as I proposed above, while being a very useful thing, is not employed for non weight shift strokes where Roundhousing is just as destructive and so the answer to the question lies elsewhere.

Thank God for Lynn. TGFL.

Here's JB Holmes from a birds eye view. See how his right hip is inside the line of his right shoulder giving his right elbow a clear path to its Impact position with no need to re route , roundhouse.

Is this the second "clear the right hip" of 12-3?


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NICE PICTURE!!! Do you have the entire sequence??? That would be cool to see from a 2-J-3 standpoint.

These ideas are great. The Hip and Shoulder turns are unique to each other. I don't know the mechanical term but the Hip Turn moves one way and the shoulder turn another -- The McDonald Drills. It's like the long pole under your car that spins one way and the Axel spins another. Hip Action is when they're connected.

Like in that odd video Yoda taped while giving instruction to the non-TGM teachers. He made them walk and swing back and forth.

Roundhousing happens when the Hips and Shoulders turn the same way. When they both turn. When walking and swinging, the Hips move front to back and the shoulders turn up and down.

It's too hard to explain. Do the drill.

Here's the link Bucket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrg07AIYuAQ&NR=1


D, that 7-14 quote is interesting, thanks man. " Hula Hula" is a Slide With a Delayed Turn for me. I do it in one direction but there are some who do it in both. Bobby Clampett appeared to do it both ways in the video I took of him at Carnoustie. So I "Hula" and he "Hula Hula's". I dunno. How the Hula are you anyways?

I'm good.

Hmm? The Hula-Hula is the McDonald Drill #5 & 6. Independent but coordinated. Hips go their way, Shoulders go their way.

Here is Hula Hula flexibility in the wild. Two things to pay particular attention to:

1. Jacqueline Smith is displaying a Slide with a Delayed Turn in both directions, Hula Hula.

2. The head stays centered despite the Slide or Turn of the Hips.

3. Thats Bucket in the safari suit in the background of the opening shot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yzufXTK3os

You're right. That's Bucket wearing a safari suit. :)

OK- 2 questions:
1. How the heck am I going to get my "mind back in my hands"?
2. Who cares?.. what was my first question? I just have to watch the video to learn G.O.L.F.?? OK.

The Bear