Weekly Golf Tip #1 Swivel
 

Here is a "Weekly (TGM) Golf Tip". Insights, secrets, whatever. :)

Weekly GOLF TIP - Impact Swivel:
For Swingers, using the Sequenced Release, when your Right Wrist is fully bent, it may be advantageous to have a slight Arch in your Left Wrist. Adjust your Grip accordingly. I found that this aids in producing/manufacturing/Faking the Impact Swivel. It helps.


My Opinion of TGM Critics. :naughty:


Next Weeks TGM TIP: "A Pictorial Narrative of the Horizontal Hinge". You don't want to miss it.

"Impact Swivel"? Where is that in the book?

Why would you want your Right Wrist to be "fully bent"? Isnt it ideally an Impact Fix degree of bend?

And to have an arched left wrist at Fix would require the thumb to be on top of the shaft wouldnt it? Isnt the arch grip dependent?

You talking max right wrist bend and max left wrist arch? Why? You could have max right wrist bend and no arch with a 10-2-D. Is there an impact geometry reason?

Maybe you've been looking at those Hogan photos again...........ok , ya they're pretty sweet, but........

The Left Wrist needs to change from "Turned On-Plane" during the Downstroke to "Vertical" for Horizontal Hinging for the Impact Interval. This is called a Swivel. There are 3 Swivels for a Swinger. "Start-up Swivel", "Pre-Impact Swivel" and "Finish Swivel". Each of these Swivels moves the Left Wrist from Vertical to On-Plane or On-Plane back to Vertical.


Bold by Daryl, to point out the place in the Book describing the Pre-Impact Swivel.


Fully Bent Right Wrist = Fully Flat Left Wrist. With the Ball played in one location while using the Turned shoulder plane, the Right Wrist will be fully Bent for all clubs, Hitting or Swinging.

I think that Uncocking and Rolling is the easier part. I think the Trouble is with the Swivel. My Tip will help get through the Swivel.

K. Im being a bit of an ass I know. Some swingers do feel the whole thing is one big swivel........

But......... Homer was always very clear that Impact is best not executed as a Swivel but as a Hinge Action. Leaving you with a Release Swivel and a Finish Swivel and HInge Action of one sort or the other in the middle. Thats in the book!

Fully bent right wrist for all shots? Got a quote for that one?

Swiveling through Impact is fairly easy to spot. The Back of the Left Hand travels from On-Plane before impact to back onto the Plane immediately after Impact. (AKA. Ben Doyle Hinge.)

The "Release Swivel" is the "Pre-Impact Swivel". I'm merely emphasizing that the Swivel occurs after Uncocking and Rolling. Many Golfers do it before, that's true, but the proper place is Pre-Impact.


I can quote you a number of places where it say's a Flat Left Wrist. I guess he just assumed we would know. :laughing9

Huh?

The Bear

Background Info:

A. During Release, for the Swinger, the Back of the Left Hand and Palm of the Right Hand travel as though they were on an angle (Plane) "Wheel Rim". The Left Wrist must Swivel from this On-Plane Alignment to Vertical Flat Left Wrist for Impact. The Motion is named "Swivel" because it's a Wrist/Forearm Rotation whereas "Closing the Clubface" is a "Roll" imparted by Pivot Rotation and Driving the Right Forearm into Impact Alignment.

B. For Swingers using Horizontal Hinging and Sequenced Release, The Left Wrist Remains Vertical until the end of Follow-through when both arms become straight.

C. At the Start of the Finish, the Swinger and Hitter should Rotate their Left Wrist to the Plane. This is the "Finish Swivel".

Main Point:

If the Swinger skips step-B, and goes directly to C, then he has Swiveled Through Impact. His Swivel was continuous from A to C through Impact.

The Tell:

When you see a Player "Over Swivel" his Finish Swivel, he has "Swiveled his Swivel". :confused1 He Swiveled through Impact and continued swiveling until both arms were straight, and then he Swiveled again for the Follow-through.

The Solution:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...sh-Swivel.html

You can make a perfect Sequenced Release (Uncock and Roll) but without the Release Swivel, the Ball will fade to the Right because the Hands are still Turned to Plane. We must Un-turn them (Swivel) without Over-swiveling through Impact.

Swiveling is difficult to perform while the Body Pivots and the Clubhead is traveling at 120 MPH. However, if we can "Break" or "Stop" the Swivel when the Left Wrist is Vertical, then we can Hinge through the Impact Interval.

"Roll" in the Sequenced Release is Planned and does not occur haphazardly. However it can be Automatic. Swivel cannot be Automatic. It is a conscious manipulation that needs to be done correctly to prevent Swiveling Through Impact.

My recommendation is to use 10-2-B grip but allow for a little Arch in the Left Wrist when the Right Wrist is Fully Bent for Impact (Hogan). This will provide two Benefits. First, The Back of the Left Hand will be forced into Vertical for Impact (By the Roll procedure) and Second, the Slight Arch in the Left Wrist will prevent Throwaway by Stopping, Blocking, or "putting the breaks on" Rotation of the Left Wrist past Vertical through-out the Impact and Follow-through Intervals.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...sh-Swivel.html


This is my favorite movie of all time.......even better than Slapshot or Brian's Song. There is a lot to consider in this one. And Daryl is so right the Swivel is a major "secret", if you will, a pathway to improved contact via the flat, rolling left wrist. Homer did after all place unusual emphasis upon it in 12-3-0!

Of the Swivels it is the Finish Swivel that is often the missing ingredient. As Yoda so emphatically states, the adoption of " overtaking with a flat rolling left wrist will immediately take you to the next level". "This is where the Golfing Machine Lives".


-12-3-0 Section 6 - The Top pt 21. DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP. There is only one word that is so emphatically presented in the entire 12-3-0 checklist and that word is "ROLL". You'll note that it is preceded by pt 21." Delivery Line Uncocking Prep." Which Homer presents with out any unusual emphasis. You'll also notice that is listed as part of Section 6-TOP! Yes , this is to say that you should be preparing to ROLL along the Delivery Line whilst at Top! The actual execution of the roll is listed much later. "On Line Release Swivel" is not listed until pt 38. "Finish Swivel" not listed until pt 41.

Why does Homer put such special emphasis on the intent to "Roll", at Top?. What does he mean by "Delivery Line"? What does he mean by "Prep"? Here are a couple of thoughts , please add to them. Treat it as a Wiki. This is the heart and soul of the book maybe.

-In regard to the word "Prep": In his masterpiece premium video with Brian Gay, Lynn states that golfers spend all of their time thinking about things that occur prior to Impact and for the most part have no idea what is suppose to happen after impact. No concept of Both ARms Straight, or more importantly the Release Swivel. Since the ball is gone why does it matter anyways? "Because you must prepare" says Lynn. To me meaning that if you are not preparing for overtaking to happen with a Flat Rolling Left Wrist then your are most likely preparing for it to happen with a chicken wing and and a bending left wrist. The ball will feel this shoddy preparation as it manifests itself in Release and Impact.

-"Rolling" is not consistent with a notion of keeping the clubface square to the hole though impact , Steering. "Delivery Line" is not consistent with a notion of the clubhead traveling a straight line towards the target also a form of Steering. Which gets us back to 2-C-0 again and the geometry of impact. It isnt a taking of the back of the ball towards the target with a square clubface!


Only with that intent to Roll in mind from Top will you break your habit of executing Finish Swivel with a chicken wing and a bending left wrist. To have this intent you must see the illusion, the false logic of Steering for what it is and commit instead to ROLL the Flat Left Wrist along the Delivery Line.

Put your Tally on and try it out in slow motion for a real eye opener! Try one Rolling try one Steering. See what happens to the left wrist , the chicken wing.

An arched left wrist destroy's the left arm wedge. There are some patterns for which the arch can work nicely, but for a pure swinger's pattern, with a sequenced release, there is no need to arch, it opens the clubface.

It does add some clubhead control 'insurance', and can be used effectively, as long as you understand it is a compensation for a non seqenced release (a fine line for a snap release a.k.a. Hogan)

In Hogan's case, and Mickey Wright's - a squeeze and curling under of the last 2 or 3 fingers, with the straightening right arm and bent right wrist preventing over swivel. (the straightening right arm is a 'regulator' of the swivel, allowing the pivot to produce the pure horizontal hinge)

What is the 10-2-B grip?

Swivel sequence
 

This is TGM not tips- my opinion only- I come to TGM for consistent system laid on foundation. Tips have screwed me and many others up forever.
I am mainly the three small slices of the pie- and I do have criticism but it is, by far, the smallest piece of the pie and I can’t remember what it contains now.
OK, I need to elaborate on Huh? (Call it therapy, rudeness, ignorance or just plain FUN to do).
I just found a TGM criticism. 2-G.

"..2-G HINGE MOTION Thus, though some procedures may cause the Clubface to “Close” in relation to the Plane Line, none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands. See 2-C and 6-B-3-0. There is, however, the “Release Roll” (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignments by Accumulator #3 with (10-18-A only)..."

I think should read…alignments.[PERIOD] (Not by accumulator #3)
Working backwards.
Impact alignment- Horizontal hinge-left wedge/wrist-flat, level (almost) and vertical
RFFW on plane
#3 pp on plane down out and forward sensing clubface too inside quadrant ball
So where did the swivel happen?
The swivel gets me from left wedge SORT- OF on plane to vertical to plane i.e. Swivel “presents” #3
The swivel starts during #2 release.
Let me put some numbers behind this.
The swing- Left full cocked-#2 release on plane starts very fast- rffw under plane- pp#3 is on top shaft but on plane. Right forearm starts fanning. At ~ 35% #2 release left wrist swivel, #3 rotates to behind shaft rf arrives on plane #2 continues release but slower . Left wedge/hand now vertical. #3 accumulator is max at this point and HOLDS THE CLUBFACE VERTICAL. Down is still needed-so- #2 continues to release, let’s say to 47% at impact (just short of level left wrist) At low point. 50% #2 release, #3 pp directing traffic, #3 acc. Holding face alignment. We are heading for follow through. Once there both arms straight, #2 gets to zero, no more #3 accumulator and now everything just wants to swivel around and stay on plane because we planned for that way back at the top.
I think the follow through swivel can be seen but #2, swivel,#3 may only be 3-4 inches of hand movement to 2-4 feet of club head movement.
Got to have a good aiming point where rhythm is king AND hit hard with the things that transfer energy

I just like the base and the cello and the viola in this clip but the picture makes the point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcP6X7dEUo

The Bear

HungryBear,

#3 Accumulator Roll is 18" of Hand Travel, and 3 feet of Clubhead Travel.

Next week I'm giving my second TGM Tip of the Week. It's all about Hinge motions and Uncocking and Rolling on the same Plane Line. It is really a very simple procedure but I'm afraid that it has been misunderstood by ALMOST everyone for a very long time. When you see the Pictures you'll be shocked.

Tiger is on the Elbow Plane and he Rolls his Hands into Impact. So his Roll and Release Swivel occur using the same Rolling Hands Motion. He does Hinge and he does Finish Swivel.

The Release Swivel can occur at the beginning of the Release (By arching your left wrist) or before Impact by Actually Rolling your Hands at the End of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge Roll. Either way, they are distinct and separate procedures.

I must WARN you at this point. Without Extensor Action, Rolling and Swiveling cannot be a separate Procedure. Furthermore, and this will anger some people, You cannot use Extensor Action on the Elbow Plane. Maybe a Hitter can, I don't know, but I do know, positively without a doubt, that Extensor Action cannot be active/used if you swing on an elbow Plane.

Hey Boogernose.

Im always shocked by your pictures..........and will it be TGM or DGM (Daryls Golf Machine) next week? Cant wait!


"Almost everyone" ...... thats killing me........are you including Homer?

Hey smartypants club champion, just wait and see. This will be a milestone moment.

I cant wait now.........how bout a sneak peak? A trailer? Preview? OK Ill wait....

Swivel is not roll
 

There can't be a #3 accumulator roll before the swivel and swingers using a sequenced release use #2 accumulator release to obtain velocity ( the swivel is during #2 and before #3 release because #3 accumulator can only roll off plane before swivel ).
I agree that the #3 roll is 18-30 inches with a club head travel of 3-7 feet but before impact the hand distance is short and #3 velocity is max.- and greatest velocity.
I see a sequenced release by TW. On plane #2release, swivel to vertical, #3 roll (horizontal hinge ) to impact.
swivel does nothing but reposition the mechanism. If there is one thing TW does that is wrong it may be that he gets down to the elbow so the release sequence disturbes the rhythm and he then needs to get the hands around at a roll rate different than the turn rate. But not bad in that clip I din't think

The Bear

I think I get it now. Extensor action is kind of like doing push-up's. Everything is good until I position my hands below my elbows. Then I can't push-up because I just tip over onto my nose. :BangHead: I now am glad I quit golf three weeks ago but that is a whole new story.

The Bear

No One Quits Golf. It can't be done. Once bitten, you're in for life.:)

Maybe Yoda can explain it, but I can't. It Stifles Throwout and Alignments are everything but Aligned. The Clubhead loses it's two dimensional path. The Clubhead crashes over the ball. I think your analogy is pretty close for me too.

I am different. I'll just give you a small piece of the story. I have had a commitment for the 18th of june 2010 for over a year now. I will be in Monterey CA from the 15th to the morning of the 19th. I will not even be concerned that the open is 2 miles away and by the evening of the 19th I will be in San Diego (Del Mar) within 1/2 mile of torrey pines. But I wont even visit it except the family may want to go out on the glider field to help me find my lost jigger of salt. I have had numerous periods in my life where I have not been on a course in years.

The Bear

I wish you the best of luck HungryBear in whatever it is that you're going to do.

This was a very good tip, Daryl. But I KNOW that you can do extencior action with shift down to elbow plane.

It requires a different rhythm. But I think I understand why you say so. Because since I tried the stock TGM address position I have been experiencing frequent problems with an open club face through impact. But when I have the pivot and arms working the way I want them to, I can do all the extencior action I can produce. I can even drive load without losing club face control.

Doing extencior action on an elbow plane is probably not compatible with a back stroke that starts with a right forearm pick-up.

Doing a back stroke that makes the slight arch happen automatically is part of the solution.

Lounging in the lounge
 

I renew my Huh?
Well aware that we sit in the lounge.
Extensor action, Bah humbug! Not that it is wrong but that it is incomplete.
Got your attention?
Need some stick figures soon!!
The triangle- 2 fixed sides one adjustable-Attached at the center of the short side(presumption on short side) Not a hinge point but solid.
The more machine like and solid this triangle the better.
The shoulders are points . they do not move independantly. Build a solid structure- sure extensor action is PART of the assembly but the structure in its simplicity WITHOUT ADDITIONAL HINGING OR FLAPPING ABOUT PARTS, all moving with their LIMITATIONS of range. That is the feel of mass that gives the wrists FREEDOM to operate from. We are tought by those far wiser than myself that golf is a feel not a ... whatever. I think this is most important and untill it is grasped "NOTHING ELSE MUCH MATTERS".

The Bear

I agree. However, the Power Package is best assembled and guided to the Top of the Swing under the Push-Force of Extensor Action. EA ensures that the Flying Wedge Alignments (for those that assemble at Start-up like me) remain aligned to the Top/End of the Swing.

Anyone can sense the Alignments, but with Extensor Action, adjusting the Alignments can be easily nursed. And I mean that we all Plane-Shift during the Backstroke, which requires re-alignment onto the Turned Shoulder Plane at Transition, before Start-down. It's not only the Clubshaft, but the Power Package that needs re-alignment. Leaving your hands at the Top is a good substitute, but I'd rather use the technique simply to increase shoulder lag because the Pivot is already responding to the #3 PP pressure.

"Pull da string, Edy" "Pull da string"
 

Golf is best Played by Feel a Feel that reproduces learned Mechanics to the TGM practitioner. These Mechanics are Aligned Geometrically. But freedom of movement is a prerequisite to properly Aligned Mechanics. Like the hinged door it moves freely ........but in a certain direction only. So I agree there is no "flapping around of parts" but there must be freedom of movement...........at the Shoulders, at the Right Elbow, at the Wrists. EA should not limit this range of motion. For instance in 4-0 Homer recommends " firm grip and flexible wrist action".

The Triangle isnt locked up! A rigid Triangle would be consistent with a "rock the triangle" Shoulder Turn Takeaway where there is no shortening on the right arms side of the triangle! EA stretchs the inert left arm with the Right Elbow at the #1 pp (most commonly). But the place where the left arm attaches to the body, the Left Shoulder is universal joint like in its freedom of motion. It has to be. Any tension at either Shoulder will promote the ARms and therefore the Hands traveling along with the Shoulders as they turn away!!!!!! The Shoulders side of the triangle is fixed in length, the left arms side is fixed, assuming there is no left elbow bending........the right sides shortens as the right elbow bends and fans. Shortens immediately in Startup!

The left arm in TGM is said to be String Like, inert, but it must be stretched to full length.............this is all that EA is or does. Its casts the Right Side as the "mover" as active and the left side as passive and in that way resolves the directional conflict that exists between the two arms. They attach at different points to the body after all and therefore travel in slightly different directions with different vectors to any force which they are applying. EA turns the left side off but stretches it out so it can achieve its one job, to establish the Radius of the Geometry of the Circle.

I have found that much of TGM will come to life in your swing after the adoption of Extensor Action.......but not before. You can not have a Magical Right Forearm without an inert Left Arm.

Now, in the absence of EA you could have an inert rod like left arm.... maybe????? Yoda did take some lessons with Paul Bertholy , Mr "Rod and Claw". I bet he has entertained the Rod vs String question. And has anyone ever thought about EA as artificial CF for low speeds where CF is also very low? Uh, are we in the Lab? Hope so. Where the heck are we?

Hey man, we're not saying that it's rigid non-moving, but that the alignments are held in place by extensor action. But I liked your post. I always like reading your posts.

How are you going to stop week 1 before week 2 comes around? And what was the topic again????

more gold there and thanks for the reminder of that great video OB.

Now I know for sure where my draw went!

The Topic is "Producing the Roll in a Sequenced Release". It's a Pictorial Narrative.

And a movable feast of threadjacking it would appear Sir ..........you should be ashamed of yourself!

Is there a list of threadjacks for next weeks topic?

I will be back to this later today but in the mean time:
The "bands" are part of Hogans EA.
The shoulders are -unfortunately- universal joints. BUT only some of the degrees of freedom are good for golf.
That is the KEY.

Tha Bear

Yes those bands must be something like E.A. He didnt use the bands as drawn himself for some reason. Hogan it has been written, tried to make the two arms act like one big one, which would be consistent with Homers notion of the arms having two divergent vectors (which he rectified by making the left arm inert and under the direction of the right , which necessitated E.A.)

very important post, Kevin Carter outlined it for me last September and it really makes a difference. You cannot over emphasize delivery line roll prep at the top. It is really easy to fail to prepare to roll.

There ya go Daryl, back on track. 12-3-0 pt 22. DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP.

"Why? Because that's were the Golfing Machine LIVES, thats why!" Lynn Blake. The thing that if done with a flat left wrist "will take you immediately to the next level". The opposite of Steering Prep. All derived from Homer's impact geometry in 2-C-0, total compression with an Inside -Out Impact 2-J-2 and Horizontal Hinging.

Close the thread, Baby. Quick. You gotta start doing your prep for next weeks post.

Post time is Saturday Morning at 8:00am Central Time.

I will explain precisely and clearly, Delivery Roll Prep, Downstroke Geometry, Release Alignments, Impact and Follow-through. Anyone who reads the post and looks at the pictures will immediately be able to apply their new knowledge and perform a perfect Sequenced Release. It will be that easy. Hitters will be able to perform a perfect Simultaneous release.

Additionally, Swingers will learn to Swivel at Start-up and I'm giving 3 Options for the Release Swivel. "Everything you wanted to know about a Swivel but were afraid to ask". And lastly, the best of all, for Swingers, I'm going to show you Where to Release, How to Release and How to get there. :)

Oh, and so there is no confusion or doubt, my pictures include a Plane-Board. It's made of Glass, and it has Right Forearm Impact Alignments in dry erase marker on it. :)

Where am I?
 

Where am I? what am I doing here? (paraphrase Stockton")

In the LOUNGE. Talking on about something that started with RELEASE SWIVEL. Went to roll through impact. Then follow through/finish swivel. Then elbow plane not allowing EA then EA required for swivel. I stuck a "Huh" in there couple of times. I will withdraw my Huh's because I think I understand what I think I understand if that will help you end this thread. OK

Bear

Nah go ahead Bear. What were you going to say about Hogan?

Saturday is a long way off and after we read D's post we're all gonna find golf so freaking easy that we may never surf the net for golf stuff again.

Was just going to mention how EA is really just Charles Atlas's Dynamic Tension. Master it and in 30 days no golfer will ever kick sand in your face again.

Bear

That plane board made of glass sounds interesting. That is a major undertaking, thanks in advance.

What about Finish Swivel? Is that in there? Stopping at Follow Through is easy but getting to Follow Through, Both Arms Straight while on your way to a Finish Swivel is a different matter. Most guys dont make it all the way down and out or get both arms straight.

Only if you pull back with the Left Arm is it Dynamic Tension. Do you do that?

If you tied a rope around your left shoulder and applied EA, do you still call it Dynamic Tension? just curious

Part 1.-PP#4

Part 2.- only if the rope has a handle

The Bear