Lee Trevino Sequence
 

This sequence is for Yoda and Bucket's affection for Lee Buck's down the plane right shoulder move...it is very cool and with all that bent right arm at impact.:)

I am assuming part of the reason he has so much right arm bend at impact is how much he has lowered coming into impact?

The head dropping into impact seems to be a common component of most golf swings on the tour, not sure if thats a component in the book or not?

If an Elbow Plane Swinger Engineered his Address Position to include an On Plane Right Elbow and Forearm, would he need to Drop His Head for Impact?

Would he need to? No, I don't believe so by the geometry...

But most certainly do on the tour. Some more than others but there is definitely a compression downwards.

Most guys on tour dont have their Right Elbow On Plane at Address but they do at Impact. Hence the "compression" look it requires a repositioning of the Left Shoulder.

I love the way he takes his Right Shoulder Down Plane there..... Thats a TSP and then a shift back to the Elbow Plane maybe.

Was he Four Barrel then? Not the longest of Hitters.

Ok, so setup is slightly above then at impact you have to move down some, got it.

So if you set up with the right forearm on plane, does this put the elbow on plane?

I think he was 100% hitter and drove that right arm crossline per 2-J-3. He talked about aiming left, strong grip and swinging right......isn't that pretty much right out of the book? I know he liked to play the ball back and play a push fade, not exactly a distance maneuver for many reasons.

Hah, what was it he used to say......."aim left , swing right , walk straight" something like that.

I think the camera is maybe set up square to his foot line there. He'd take it back outside and then loop it down low and inside then Angled Hinge it. Hitters top given his arched left wrist, but a ton of #2 Angle late into Release so he wasnt a classic Three Accumulator Hitter, Drive Loader, Sweep Releaser I dont think. He smacked Down hard and the ball would whistle past you , low but climbing like a jet taking off and then fall to the right.

I saw him once kick up a grass tee like you would in school yard football , then hit a driver super low that ran and ran and ran....... weird. That was way back, Canadian Open in Montreal in the 70's. I used to follow him when ever I could back then. His fade was notable but I didnt think he was that short at the time.

I read once that Lee received some swing advice from Hogan back in his early years on tour. Does anyone know what it was?

Amazing to see how much waist bend he added. Interesting . . . thanks for putting that up! Sweet.

According to David Pelz' statistics, Lee Trevino was the single most precise and consistent ball striker.

If I recall correct I think his typical error marging on long shots was 5% while the average pro was 7-8%.

I also think Hogan has been quoted to say that Trevino was the purest ball striker.

And I also think that Trevinos stroke pattern has something to do with his precision.

"Hitting can be quite accurate". Yoda, to himself after he hit a flagstick on the range some 160 yards away for the second time in five minutes. November 2009 Cuscowilla. He'd go on to hit two more times that day.

Hitting can be quite accurate...magic can be quite amazing!
 

:dance: Hi OB, Daryl, Kevin, Jerry, BerntR, 12 Piece and Yoda and everyone who is enjoying golf.

I now know I understand some of the magic of the right forearm, buy everyday with it is a lot like Christmas! :sleigh:


(I'm using that metapohor to show solidarity with my Minnesota and Canadian friends in case it's snowing right now. :) You guys have given me so much inspiration and enjoyment and I appreciate it!) :notworthy

I was using my 45 degree tomahawk chop backswing or carry back today, and decided to pretend I was Yoda in any number of videos where he or a student hits a pin. I was thinking only Moe Norman
could really knock down pins and then it hit me like a ton of bricks that RFM (right forearm magic) is not just for dinner or backstrokes anymore and that we are, as Kevin says, Moe's modern relatives!!!! :eyes: :clap: :golfer2:

I started at mid-body or address hands and basic motion aiming at the 100 yard marker using my 58 degree Hogan wedge. As I changed hinges I realized the distance of the wedge, dead online, was anywhere from a vertical hinge (VH) 10 yards to a horizontal hinged (HH) almost 80 yards!

I mixed in RFT and straight thrust down and then a little chip version of crap smacker. It was mostly right shoulder up and down. THE BALL NEVER LEFT THE STICK!:toothy1: I became fascinated with the simplicity of the right arm travelling down the baseline of the plane then target line. :laughing9

I used all my wedges with my PW HH rolling about 120 yards. Then I accidently chicken-winged (CW) the HH. I LIKED IT A LOT!!! The club face truly determined the path of the ball. THEN I REMEMBERED WHAT JONES SAID ABOUT THE ACURACY OF THE "SHUT-FACE" SWINGERS (Leo Diegel and Josh Swisher if memory serves) OF HIS DAY AND HOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE GUTS TO ASK THEM TO PUTT OUT THEIR SHOTS LAYING SEVERAL INCHES TO A FEW FEET FROM THE HOLE! :angel1:

I WAS IN CW AWE! CW thrust, pronounced shoulder roll, CW swing and CW # 3 pp! All straight but the # 3 CW sounded like it was pure each time. My distances and shape were determined by my hinges, naturally. :) I experimented with a super light vertical and flat left hand neutral and strong grip. The stronger my tripod, the farther and straighter the ball flew. :naughty:

Mr. Jones said that the shut face crowd suffered with their woods. And earlier in the day, I watched Trevino CW some wedges to keep a straight running chip. I tried the CW with my woods at impact fix. Thrusting a CW was a shorter than normal distance fade or draw depending on ball position. Rolling the back shoulder back and through CW was longer by a lot. My RF braced against my left arm and rolling my right shoulder while keeping my body still and left arm floating allowed me to really extend my right arm 2-3 feet past impact. As long as my LHVFW was light on the grip, the ball listened and I was covering (3-5 feet)markers all over the range with balls ON PURPOSE!!!

Level wrists, light lead grip, underhand toss at targets near and far. Thanks guys for a very fun day and thanks to GSEB John Savage for breaking my non-TGM habits of being off-plane! Oh, and the swing John showed me taking RFM to the endless belt is ridiculously powerful and predictable. :golfcart:

Thanks to everyone! :dance: :notworthy

Patrick

I am exceedingly glad for you, Patrick. Way to go!
Thanks for the updates. I check for them every day.
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Patrick,

I love reading your posts. I don't always reply, usually there is nothing left to say...

I can't wait for you to start working with your junior golfers. I see you quickly becoming a huge presence in junior golf in your area just like Jerry has in his. You guys are showing everybody you don't need to have the talent of a tour player to teach, just the best system to learn, and a MAN like YODA and his band of merry G.O.L.F.ers to help us learn.

You HAVE to get to Cuscowilla with Jerry and I next winter for his teaching sessions where we will work towards becoming LBG authorized. I really believe it would help all 3 of us get to the next level. We may not be O.B. or 12 Piece Bucket right away, but it will certainly help us move in their direction.

Kevin

Hi Jerry and Kevin! Great idea on a winter research trip! Dates? BTW, what is the TGM term for "chicken-wing" or allowing the hands to stay on the target line without body rotation? I am looking it up in search under "Chicken-wing" and 'no pivot." Any other suggestions?

Pat

Kev,
Authorized? Who said anything about authorized? With authorisation comes responsibility. I am the second most irresponsible person I know (I know of no other, but I thought I should leave some room, just in case). I want to learn this stuff and keep learning. I'll share it with our teams as I am able, which is questionable on a daily basis.
Gotta get to Cuscowilla, though, to work on my finish swivel and get Yoda some green tea.

Im thinking that ideally you need your Hips going ROUND and your Right Shoulder going round too but more DOWN towards the Plane Line. Meaning you need some bend and your "ass on the glass" throughout.