Hitting Ball with Right Index Finger
 

Gentlemen...I have been experimenting with my swing (don't I always) and I've been hitting the ball with the index finger of my right hand (no golf here, just on the range). I'm trying to feel pressure on that "trigger finger" on the downswing and create some lag at the same time. My hands always seem to follow the club head instead of the other way around.

Is this okay, or will it produce its own set of problems?

Thank you for your time, knowledge, and expertise. :golf:

I'd say its good in a number of ways. Profoundly good.But dont start pushing directly with it on the aft of the shaft, that would be profoundly bad, throwaway by definition. When you feel the pressure against it start to point or trace, paint a line with it. No pressure , no paint, like say a spray can. Let the inertia push against the #3 pp and there in use it as "indirect" drive rather than "direct" drive for both Aiming purposes (Tracing) and Thrust regulation (Lag Pressure metering). In that way you have both distance and direction monitored.

For swingers this pressure is sensed at the first joint of the index finger during impact and at the knuckle where the index finger meets the hand during Startdown, Lag Loading. There is an accompanying Right Elbow position unique to this set of #3pp locations. For Hitters its normally all first joint, Drive Loading against the aft of the shaft.

See the free movie here entitled "Pressure point #3 where are you?". It will save you much time and frustration. Years maybe.

There is something special to the idea of pointing. Something in our human makeup or whatever. Its benefits are there even if there is a good deal of parallax. I recently came across an article on a marksman who could teach anyone to shoot coins out the air with a bb gun. He could teach rank beginners to do this in a matter of minutes, his students including U.S Presidents and heavy weight boxing champs and joe public. His name was Lucky McDaniel. His method will seem familiar to us here at LBG, its all about pointing, proprioception, routine and instinct as opposed to mental or physical effort. A short cut in the pathway between eye and hand without conscious intervention that would slow the message down and garble it up like that kids game of broken telephone.

Something we see the pro golfers on tv do more than we retched hacks who need it most.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...2995/index.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_McDaniel


There's a book from the early 1800's which outlines a method of "dueling for the beginner" that recommends extending the index finger along the barrel to enable you to point at your target better. A method that survives to this day in marksmanship of all kinds.

Our brains and our hands are capable of doing fantastically complex things at such rapid rates that it should be obvious to us to just let them do there thing. But golf being so frustrating at first has a way of letting rational thought, most of it false logic, come into the mix. To our detriment.

Moe might have been thinking about clouds but was pointing at dirt. He got it away in a hurry too. Is this instinct golf? Quick kill golf? Greg McHatton actually has his right finger sort of hanging off the club does he not?

Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply. I am seeing positive results so far and I will take your counsel to heart. I know this may sound like a gross exaggeration, but I've gained two clubs using this method. Prior to this I released way to early. I still think I am releasing early, but not as badly.

In order for me to feel that pressure on my index finger I have to keep moving my body. If I stop, or slow down that pressure goes away. When I try to "force" or "push" too much with the index finger my hands outrace my body, my hands turn over, and I hook the ball. At least that is what I think is happening. This is a self-teaching endeavor. :-)

Be sure to have plenty of right shoulder downward drive so you don't run out of right arm. Okie's sage advice may be some of the best you ever receive: "Drive the right shoulder down until you hit dirt...then drive some more...you bastard!"
I'm taking it to the bank.

OKIE and O.B. have both given us wonderful quotes on the right shoulder lately. My other favorite:

Great stuff!

Kevin

Proper right shoulder movement is critical to delivering the power package correctly in my opinion.

If the right shoulder works under to much you are going to dump #3 pp early as I painfully had to learn.

Also I had been given advice not to over-accelerate the club head, thats the path to PP#3. Worst advice to for me, I would leave the club head behind and then my pivot would wonder off finishing the swing.

Acceleration, with proper pivot and plane lines, is the key to PP#3 in my opinion.

my secret #3 pp training drill. Dont tell anyone.
 

For sure. Pivot and Right Arm I'd say. This one sentence could be expanded in to an entire book. Forgive me for my rambling ways but.....

Without a steady rate of Hand acceleration the pressure at the #3, the pressure associated with the lagging condition of the clubhead vis a vis the Hands, subsides. You can accelerate fast or you can accelerate slow and sustain an associated amount of pressure but if you accelerate at too fast rate, establish a rate which you cant maintain all the way down, as the rate tapers off ( though you may still be accelerating), you will start to lose some Lag Pressure. As its slipping away you begin to feel like you are "chasing the club" as the clubhead starts to catch up to the Hands. When its gone so is the shot. When its all gone the Clubhead has passed the Hands and the Clubheads rate of deceleration will spike. Not a good thing if the ball is still lying there.

You see the pro's on tv displaying this loss of lag pressure predicament fairly often. Its sometimes accompanied by a tell tale right arm flying completely off the club finish. Then some grimaces, swear words, etc etc. More often off the tee than elsewhere.

You gotta figure out what your own best pattern is for accelerating the hands at a steady rate without pushing on the aft of the shaft with the #3pp, throwaway. Homer said it was better to be Heavy than quick. If you can be both , good on ya, but its a fickle and fleeting thing, like holding water in your hands. Swingers using mainly the pivot, Hitters using the pivot and the right arm etc etc etc there are trillions of options. Different ways of using the Pressure Points. #'s 1,2,4 directly. #3 ( the first joint of the index finger version) indirectly , passively sensing, searching for and sustaining Lag , golf's secret. The brain's outpost in the Hands. They can make amazing things happen those two, the brain and the #3, if left alone, allowed to communicate via concentration. More on that later.

Another nice thing about the #3 pp is it lies on the sweetspot plane which runs from the #3pp to the Sweetspot on the clubface. So you can aim the #3 , point it at/along the delivery line of the clubhead, through the ball, the line of compression. Homer identified the #3 pp as being both Aiming and Thrust related. The ball will compress when you hit it with the sweetspot plane, the longitudinal center of gravity. Aligned compression being what its all about, requires you to ask yourself where the Line of Compression should point? It aint from ball to target most of the time anyways. The diagrams in the second chapter answer this question and some others about the effects of clubface rotation during the impact period. They're a must read, to my mind. They will tell you what to do with your #3pp after you discover its usefulness. Its profound usefulness.

Here is my #3 pp aiming, thrust and visualization drill:

A rapid fire chip and pitch shot, kind of deal best done on the range with a pile of balls at your feet. Keep a mental picture of the landing spot in your mind and set about tracing with the #3 and the necessary amount of Lag Pressure for the distance required. Let this picture alone, regulate/prescribe/create the necessary amount of Lag Pressure at the #3 without any conscious thought to it or intervention. Take a longish look at the target if you need to but dont stare at the ball after you return your gaze to it, startup right when your eyes return to the ball. It'll seem awkward at first but you have to let go. Itll rid you of extraneous thinking but maintain the brain to #3 communication. Little chips to 40 yard pitches. Various distances. Hit them quickly, like Moe Norman rapid. Get over the ball first and then pick out a ball on the range as a target that's roughly in your line. Dont worry about it. Vary the distances randomly. A different target each time from the same stance even. Set you wedges at Fix and then look for a target, take a picture of the target/landing spot return your gaze to the ball and go. Picture , Trace. Picture, Trace. Picture, Trace. You can stare at the target a little if you need to but not at your ball. Dont watch the clubhead move back and through either. Its a bad habit, steering. If you use an aiming point several inches in front of the ball your not even looking at your ball. This will seem awkward at first but stick with it. Pick out various balls on the range at various distances randomly, quickly. Dont stop to pick one out and then aim at or anything, just get over the shot and then pick one out and take a mental picture of it. Its a faster is better thing. The goal is to keep the picture fresh in your mind. No pausing, no conscious swing thoughts, no thinking at all outside of the picture and the #3 pressure and tracing. The amount of Lag Pressure at the #3 dictates the distance the shot flies. They are directly related. But let the picture, the brain tell your hands how much lag pressure to meter out. Dont think about consciously in other words. Dont say to yourself "oh this is about 40 yards so I better take it back a little further to hit it harder" etc. Feel both the amount of pressure and direction the Tracing. Sustain the lag pressure. Like tossing a coin or lobbing a ball. You can do this with a coin with your eyes closed. Its easier than you think. This is the equivalent in a golf training manner. This is letting go of interuptive thinking, however good it may seem. This is proprioception , this is the Brain and the Hand doing there thing like only they can do. Let em go. Like a juggler, first one ball, then two, then three and eventually , a torch, a knife and a chain saw. Fall into a routine, a rhythm. A trance. Picture, Trace etc. Although you dont need to say this to yourself like mantra or anything. That might erase the picture too.

You'll discover that you can hit those chips and pitches super accurately when the picture is fresh in your mind while your making your shot. Lose the picture lose the shot. Start to think, lose the picture. You have to startup just as your eyes return to the ball, no pausing, it will give you time to think. Dont. After doing this for a while I even startup while my eyes are in the process of returning to the ball. Picture, Trace. Brain and Hand. #3 pressure point. The brain dictates the amount of pressure needed, quickly, perfectly, like tossing coins in a bucket. You dont need to think about the amount of pressure needed the brains got it covered. The picture will guide you.

It was the Wild Bill Melhourne continous hitting drill that got me started with this thing. Thank you Yoda. Some further research lead me to Lucky McDaniels. Marksmen have been all over this for 50 years or more. Remember the scene in Butch Cassidy where they're shooting at targets and Sundance cant hit em cause he isnt moving around? Moe looked frantic almost when I saw him playing the pitch and putt course on Highway 7, with 15 balls. This is why I believe, it wasnt that he was worried about holding up the people behind him. It freakin works. An uncluttered information highway from brain to hands. It spooks me almost. Im hitting my ball/target out there on the fly more than I thought possible with less to do about it. People at the range look at me like Im crazy. Try it out and let me know if it does anything for you. Im a visual thinker learner so maybe its not for everyone. A bucket goes quickly so hopefully you arent paying by the bucket when you do this.

There is something to it for putting as well. Intuitive putting, Instinctive putting, putting to the picture or whatever. Using the picture and the #3, less disruptive thinking about method. I saw Davis Love doing something similar on the putting green at the Memorial last year. He was putting to random holes from one spot. No two putts the same. Distance training with no practice strokes, just picture/ go, it seemed. Ive never read Brad Faxon's book but Im told he does something similar. He does get it away really quickly as his gaze returns to the ball. His picture is fresh , his mind free of thoughts that would erase the picture. I think Tigers putting routine has a bit of this to it as well, although he has an ever so slight pause after his eyes return to the ball. He talks about it even. Ill try to find a link. This is golf concentration to my mind. Pressure point awareness and visualization.

Im not saying you necessarily have to hit all your shots with a quick gaze, a Moe like routine or whatever but its a good drill for relief from destructive, brain to hand message robbing method thinking. However well intentioned. Homer wanted us to play be feel after all. Its hard to get back there after all the mechanical thinking required in training. This is my attempt drill wise. Let the motion make the shot, the three stations, address, top , finish etc also play a part.

In Homer's time the hands were said to be the golfers worst enemy, especially the right hand but he realized the hands, the pressure points , the #3 pp's tremendous potential when employed correctly. Put your brain in your #3 pp. We humans are uniquely designed to do amazing things in this way, with this pathway between brain and hands. Use it for golf.

Go forth and prosper my trigger fingered golfing friends.

This is but one reason I visit here every day. Absolute gold is found here every day.
Thanks.

It's still something I am getting used to. When I do it correctly the results are very pleasing, when I don't...

I can relate completely to the club head catching up with the hands, this is where I get in trouble. I'm still have a tendency to swing to hard and ruin the coefficient of angular momentum. I "know" I don't have to swing hard to get good results, yet I don't know either.

It's that "steady rate" you referred to that I need to master. I do it pretty well with the short irons, but with the longer clubs I still struggle. For some reason I feel I have to hit the longer clubs harder, but at the same time I know I don't have to. :confused1

The chipping and putting exercises you described I have already incorporated in my routine, which is probably why my short game is the best part of my game. I love chipping, pitching, and putting. The problem however is that I've neglected my long game and the chickens are coming home to roost. Anything inside 100 yards and I'm confident. Give me a driver and I am lost.

Well the longer the club, the longer it takes to switch ends, making maintaining the steady rate of acceleration more problematic as the rate you establish in Startdown has to maintained longer to make it through the ball. Far more common a problem with a driver than a wedge for this reason. Its another counter intuitive golf logic thing in regards to the longer, further hitting clubs.

You can experiment with various slow backswings and slow startdowns to see which one allows you to achieve the best impact conditions. Camilo Villegas is crazy slow from the top and he hits it pretty good. Everyone is a little different maybe. But remember it isnt just about clubhead speed, solely. You could have a higher clubhead speed but one that is in the process of decelerating , or even accelerating but at a diminishing rate and not get the results you would from a heavier but slower clubhead speed.

Simply put, for maximum distance, try to have as heavy a feeling at the #3pp at impact as you can by trying to achieve the same at Both Arms Straight.....way after impact. With a driver it will seem like a very gradual build up of Lag Pressure.

I guess I just don't get it.

I've been working extremely hard on my swing the past couple of years. I've taken lessons, I've read the books, I've studied the videos, and I've practiced...and practiced...and practiced.

I haven't seen any improvement except in my short game. I still average 200 yards off the tee and 140 yards with my 5-iron. Of course, I'm only 6'5", 225 pounds, flexible, and in fairly good shape. I am thinking of packing it in. I just feel all beat up.

Maybe there are some of us who just don't get it and never will.

Sean,

It was painful to read that! With your enthusiasm for TGM, there is no doubt in my mind that you can get there. It's tough on your own, even with the support of guys on a website. You need another set of eyes and some personal contact with a good teacher who is either an AI or understands Homer's work.

Where do you live? Let us help you find someone to work with. Don't give up!

I spent a year and a half studying before I was lucky enough to spend a day with YODA. That one day doubled my understanding as well as my confidence.

Kevin

Thanks for your support, Kevin. I live just south of Boston.

I was hoping to join an amateur tour here in the area, but the tees are from 6300 to 6600 yards, which is just too long for me. They are playing some great venues too, like TPC Boston.

According to Golf Digest (multiplying one's 5-iron carry distance by 36) I should be playing at about 5000 yards.

The irony is when I play executive courses I do okay. One memorable round last year on a par 60 I shot a 59, and hit 11 greens. But if I can't play a "real" golf course, where I struggle to break 90, what's the point?

I'm tired of hitting fairway woods into par 4's, or fairway woods and driver on par 3's (last season one guy laughed and told me I didn't use enough club when I hit driver short of the green...I ended up with par, but still...). And, if I play from the forward tees I get hassled for that.

I was really looking forward to playing on that amateur tour, which is run by the New England PGA. That's what pushed me over.

Thanks again for your kind words. You are a gentleman. :-)

Sean,

You are in luck my friend... DREW!

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...-gseb-pga.html

This gentleman is one of THE most respected contributors here. He knows TGM backwards and forwards, and from what I have heard from EVERYBODY, is an outstanding teacher. You can not only get some direction on your own swing, but learn TGM properly. As an added bonus, everybody here is on a similar page so you would have additional support between lessons.

Drew can tell you what you need to do for either swing, conditioning, or course management. Whatever you need. I have seen YODA endorse him. That's good enough for me!

Kevin

Thanks very much, Kevin. I will look into this ASAP!

Doesn't seem fair.
What's your typical ball flight? high/low - draw/fade?? Ever been videotaped?

Sean you and Drew have a lot in common, he surfs the Multiuniverse. To say nothing of him giving Kim Jong Il a golf lesson prior to his 36 under par first game.

Ok Im exaggerating a little but Drew can fix you. You'll be playing off the Tiger tees and soon.

Nononononono. Don't give up. Once you get with Drew and understand the alignments and the application of pressure into the shaft it will start to come together for you.
You are in for a treat. The ball will jump off the club face for you.

With the irons I have a mid-high ball flight. My misses are hooks. With the driver I have a mid ball flight and my misses are everywhere. :-)

I read about Kim's round. Very impressive. :-)

If Drew can fix me that would be...interdimensional. I think I've been playing on the wrong side of the multiverse. :golf:

I contacted Drew and we have to wait for Mother Nature to cooperate a bit.

That would be an alien concept for me. I think the poor fellow will be challenged by me.

YES!

I'm very happy to hear that. We'll be right behind you Bro!

:golf:

Kevin

Thanks Kevin, I'll keep you posted. :-)

Can't go wrong with Drew. One of the nicest guys and best instructors I've ever taken a lesson from, and believe me, I've had a lot!

I spoke to Drew via email and it looks like we'll get together in early April. :-)

Thanks Ripper, that's good to hear!

OB, I did the Hogan two finger right hand hold for about 100 shots , yesterday!
 

It was so strange and so good at the same time. Another beastly hitter at the range commented on my compression and said "Hogan, right?" I gave him the official LBG red hall pass to the website :)

All my shots were very good, though my driver was so-so.


If you have anytime, sometime, could you explain why pros do not do that grip and how they get the pp # 3 so well trained? Do they all have an orange power-point they take off during a round or (and this is probably the case) do they have a sublime sense of feel and balance on plane with their clubs or a special PGA decoder that allows them super-human club manipulations?

Patrick

So you had the knuckle on the top of the grip and the first joint on the aft? Is that what you mean?

To answer your question about why all pros dont use that grip............there is no one way! But for all good players there is Lag Pressure sensed in the hands at some point or other. Whether they acknowledge it or not. A lag pressure consistent with their chosen Lag Loading procedure. Drive or Drag. 10-19.

You dont see Hogans grip everywhere but you dont see his Drag Loading everywhere either. Hogan had the ideal grip to go along with his ideal Drag Loading. He was like a work of art, that guy.

I'd venture that a strong right hand grip wouldnt have allowed Hogan to Drag Load like he did , not for that long anyways. That he'd have started to push a little given that his elbow wouldnt have been so pitch and when the Left Hand rotated off the Inclined Plane he'd have released earlier. Something those other pros you mention probably do and quite effectively too. Nothing wrong with a Sweep Release.

In short the physics associated with the manner in which we apply force to the handle reveals itself in the alignments we display. Show me a Pitch elbow and Ill show you a knuckle riding on top (most likely) as it just goes with bending the shaft along the Top /Bottom axis during Drag Loading, Active Left Wrist, Left ARm Flying Wedge, Swinging etc. Show me a Punch elbow and Ill show you a grip aligned for pushing (most likely) bending the shaft along the For/ Aft grip axis, the Right Arm Flying Wedge. Homer recommended a 10-2-B grip in either case but in the field you see variety. Grip changes are hard to make for a seasoned golfer.


How do the pros train their #3? Id say that by and large without even knowing of the #3pp, they associated a feeling in their hands with good contact. A feeling that comes and goes but something they seek out. Something they discovered as kids probably. What is that feeling? Lag pressure as well as the other pressure points too. They all speak to us, tell us their different stories. The #4 tells us about how the pivot is doing, the #2 about the Left Hand wrist cock etc. Some guys, especially the ones with "trigger fingers", would have a strong sense of what we'd call the #3pp. The others just have it despite the fact they dont really think about it. Id imagine, I dunno.

With Hogan's grip you get the knuckle and the first joint ,one on Top one on the aft. Ready to take the load and sustain it, direct it as you bend the shaft sequencialy along its two axis, if you wish to. I can imagine not loading along the top/bottom axis at the knuckle but every good golfer senses lag at the first joint or there abouts. Thats the top of the Sweetspot Plane, the Longitudinal Center of Gravity. Without it the clubhead has passed the hands. Ill have to ask my cross handed buddy about what he feels and where. If he can articulate it. Whenever I ask him about things like that he starts to talk and then just says "aw.......I cant describe it, forget about it". He can pipe line it though.

Ok, now I have to buy a video camera.
 

This will take me a month of practice to begin to comprehend in my swing. And since I teach until June 21st, why not?

OB, my handles are very large as I was aspiring to Moe Norman nirvana before TGM reality set in. My larger index finger knuckle is aft (3 o'clock) and the smaller knuckle is at 5 o'clock almost directly underneath the shaft.

I believe in lag pressure. Check

Drive or Drag. That makes sense!

Because my man J. Savage, GSEB, showed me the beauty of balance and traceing the plane line, I was able to swing (my version) today, and also RFA takeaway, left-hand pull karate chop right arm drive today. Down the middle with a little fade. Not as long as the swing but easier on my frame. What a dependable way to play, though!

Thanks, OB, I will save this along with Kevin's docs and experiment and learn! :)

Patrick

Hmm, maybe we are getting our wires crossed. Im talking about the knuckle at the base of the index finger, the one you'd punch with. That is on top of the shaft in Hogans grip. This is the number three pressure point in its swingers, rotated position, the one you load when drag loading. The other #3 pp location is associated with radial acceleration, through impact or for drive loading is the first joint , the crease just below the knuckle of the index finger, which Hogan aligned on the aft of the shaft. One index finger , two lag pressure points , one on top , one on the aft. Both at the ready to sustain the lag and direct it.

Ha! I just realized a major misinterpretation! Thanks!
 

Very good, Jeff!

Perhaps I'll be a little slower working through ver 6 of TGM.

Patrick

Perhaps there is more to #3pp
 

Is there more to the #3 pp than even HK writes about?

Vertical hinging with a push basic stroke-seems most natural to this hinge- would place the second joint of the right index finger behind /under the shaft then rotating to first jount at low point and then on top shaft at follow through?

I have had, a couple of decades ago, extensive practice and training with mainly the EPEE (fencing- rapier) and control is all pressures and feel in the right hand. Primary the index finger. Just think about how exact the brain places the point on a moving object from a moving system and without a thought beyond being alert? You know, golf should be so simple if we could get our brains around the game. BUT alas (sigh) we can't

The Bear

Avoiding Confusion!
 

Patrick,

You are now in great hands with your AI. If you find things in those documents you like, clear it with your teacher before you try to incorporate into your swing. You guys are developing a great plan, don't allow it to be derailed by other ideas that may not fit your puzzle!

Kevin

Its been reported that Homer tried at first to assign Hinge Action to the right side but ended up placing it under the left hands job description.

Bear you sound like a very right sided kinda guy. Like myself. I can Hinge quite well with my right hand but only when my left is off the club, one handed. With both hands attached Im back to executing them with my left hand. Not really sure why this is but it is. Its is also inline with what Homer finally advocated.

PUsh basic is normally said to promote Angled Hinging, Vertical being a reverse roll of the left hand, a trained thing (intentional or otherwise). Cut shots are sort of natural for me too so I do tend to get a little vertical hinging going on short ones, without even thinking about it. Im guessing that its the way in which the club bounces off the ground , an anti chilli dip contact with the turf that I have learned over time and employ subconsciously. Im playing up north so the grass here allows you to kind of vertical Hinge a little sand shot like intentional fat shot. Not sure if bermuda would kill it or not. Never figured that stuff out to be honest. It just loves to grab hold of the leading edge and bring the whole parade to a stop.

By the way , have you tried the Bat? I like it a lot. A right sided thing but without the throwaway tendency that Push Basic chipping has for me anyways. Fanning and Bending, its blends quite nicely from Basic Motion to Total Motion. It can be used when Hitting , axe handle or Swinging , rope handle, right arm swinging.

YES-I think
 

O.B. You are right. I do think more right than left. Golf , to me is like rubbing my stomach and patting my head in a lot of different ways. My left hand is something I attempt to have vertical at impact and sometimes do a little extra #2 uncocking to get the belt going. BUT, the right hand knows all, where the shaft is where the plane is where the hands are headed, how they will get there, what their relationship is to the plane.

So in general I make sure I'm rubbing my stomach with my left hand then I can pat my head or touch my nose or scratch my ear or post this comment with my right hand. Just have to check that The left arm continues around the left shoulder and the swing is around the head/center and doesn't get centered at the right shoulder or elbow or some other disruptive place.

So for me right is right. Not for power, unless that is chosen, but for the most important things.

The Bear

Well maybe you're a good fit for Homer's stuff then. He thought the game was best relegated to right side control, hitting or swinging. Right side centric thoughts so to speak. Something you dont get in popular instruction despite the fact that right handed golfers are for the most part........right handed. Trail handed.

I see my little girls taking their first golf swings and showing..........right side, hitting. My wife ......hitting. First time golfers ......hitting. Maybe Im just seeing things.

Damn they're beautiful.

David Toms and K.J. Choi are doing pretty well at the Masters today. Im sort of wondering about Phil too, he has some right side in there too to my eye.

A very wise man once told me that " All the pro's are trying to figure out how to get their right sides into their action". Make of that what you will. Certainly there are some who dont, but ...........the right side has to my mind been under rated by the golfing public , to say the least. We are not alone! Damn we might even be the majority. Be you a swinger or hitter, the right side can be boss.

I hit the Bergeebers out of the ball with
 

"Shoulder tracing the plane line up and down!

I was carrying the range TITLEISTS 230 in the air! :laughing9

And after I hit my PW that far, well, I hit my driver further! :eyes:

Seriously, though, they were not all TITLEISTS LMFAO!!!!

:laughing1

Jerry, are you near Minneapolis? Kevin?

Pat

Hi there,

I just ordered my yellowbook today, introduced myself yesterday in another thread.

I did not have much of a clue about the PP's prior to reading here, I was just looking for a way to hit more solidly.

Today I had my second mental breakthrough, first I had with the left shoulder stuff, today with the PP#3.

Probably my grip with the right hand is a bit more under the club that's why I feel pp3 is tiny below 1rst joint of the right index finger. I start to feel the load I put on the shaft there and once I feel the load, I can predict a good hit on the sweetspot. Unluckily that happend in my backyard hitting into a net, so I can't make any testimonials about the ball flight, but solidly I start to hit clean shots.

After a while experiencing this feeling I couldn't resist to try it on the lawn, and et voila, nice divots, rather thin, I think that comes from the extensive mat practise, but none of the divots was deeper then a quarter of an inch, from 8 iron to 5 iron. My first impression is "shake it baby" ;-)

I hit the backyard tomorrow again every now and then to inhale more of this feeling.

Thanks to all of you, this is really great help here.

Cheers

Frank

PS: does anybody now the book "Homer Kelley's Golfing Machine: The Curious Quest That Solved Golf"? i thought it would be good to something on a higher level as well.

Welcome Frank!

I really enjoyed the Curious Quest as it gives a lot of insight into why the book was written the way it is. I also really like some of the things written in the foreward by Steve Elkington, a real testament to the validity of the book.

It helped me a lot to spend time in Lynn's section here, the chapter by chapter breakdown of discussions. It really personalized Homer's work for me. Take it slow Frank, there is a LOT to learn, it's a journey, not a crash course... :-)

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

thankx alot for your insight and the journey hint, which reminds me of the most valuable words a singer used IMHO Life's a journey not a destination.

Back to golf, I am absolutely in it. All I am looking for at the moment, and I start to beleive this will be enduring, is hitting good shots, which means first of all having good contact, crisp striking. The scores will be what they will be, I am not worried this time anymore. That reminds me of this other thing I read some years ago, maybe it was from Jack Nicklaus or Arnie, not sure anymore: I play golf and count only the good strokes no score at all, so everytime I hit a course I want to make more good shots. The first time he did this kind of counting he said he hit 12 or 13 good shots, with some remark by a commentator, that it was still a 69 or so.

I am into it, and want to foster my first enlightings ;-)

Cheers

Frank