Learning to Hit
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvvRTW1Bu2c

I tried to learn to hit but still not able to hit too long and not sure is correct.

Appreciate very much if you can provide comments:

1. Set up: it seems to me that I am standing too far away, but if I bent the right arm more it will be at the elbow plane and unable to hit the ball.

2. How many shift? Am I on the shoulder plan? It quite confuse for me.

3. I tried to hold the bent right wrist, take it slowly up and push down on #1 pp.

4. Too much fanning? or less? If I fan more it will be spinning down.

5. How to take up the slack? At this moment, my fist move down is just pushing #1.

Thanks a million for your help.

Danny

Danny,

Lets start a little slower as I think a change at set up is going to make a huge difference in your other questions. This is the frustrating part of not being there, as a small change will change everything else.

In my opinion, your problem starts at set up. In trying to get your right forearm on plane, you have raised your left arm too much. Your left wrist needs to be level at set up, and I believe it to be un-cocked. Lower your left arm a little bit and check that alignment closely. That will also give you a little more bend at the waist, and put your head in a more natural position.

From there, to get your right arm flying wedge set on plane, you will need to lower your right shoulder a little bit... a little more tilt.

Make sense? I'm anxious to hear from other hitters as well to make certain I'm steering you in the proper direction. Getting these alignments set up properly, the way YODA teaches is HUGE!
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Kevin

Here's a side by side view to facilitate comments:)

Thanks HG. Very helpful!!! Do you see what I see?

Kevin

Thats a little Mo Norman at setup!

I agree with Kevin, its a couple of minor adjustments. You look on plane at impact (though I suggest positioning the camera farther to the left, along the stance line). What are your misses, is it a pull, straight, push and then does the ball curve one direction or another?

Thanks a million for all the comments.

I have tried different set up and read the thread, watch youtube etc. The reason I have the current setup is I thought (obvious not correct and misconcept!):

1. to have no shift, therefore more simple and consistence, try to locate at the shoulder turned plan at setup.
2. ball flight usually push right if not straight.
3. did try setting up with more right arm bent and tilt (by shifting the hip therefore keeping the shoulder square), but usually taking the club too inside and hitting behind, to the right and low ball flight (probably wrong with my fanning) and becasue thinking to achieve a shoulder turned plane for hitter and instead of elbow plane, and Norman set up on youtube therefore becoming current set up

Does setting up with more tilt make the backswing more around and inside? Clubface usually closed at the top is that ok? How can you determine the correct bent and setup?

Thanks again.

More tilt is likely going to take the club inside, so would having your weight left at setup (not that you do that just saying).

Steve Elkington is working on a little bit of a Moe Norman setup and swing, found a video on Youtube breaking it down...its interesting given how much Elk has worked with Ben Doyle.

I will try the new set up in the driving range. But how can you achieve a zero shift as recommended in the book using an elbow plane? And at impact fix as address for hitting, should the left arm and the club be in a straight line?

Hi Danny,

Left arm and shaft should not be in a straight line. Take another look at the picture of Brian Gay, which I believe to be YODA's ideal.

Think of zero shift as a "feel" not a mechanically perfect requirement. I hope you don't mind me continuing to use pictures of Brian, but I think they are the model. These are pretty good depictions of a very slight shift in planes that would "feel" to me as zero shifting.

Kevin

Where is that Hong Kong?

great pictures there....BG makes an ever so slight shift to the turned shoulder plane, right?

It seems to me to be a very simple procedure to setup right forearm on plane as he has and swing around that plane line as Mo Norman did. The process of shifting would be mostly eliminated and then you just trace the target base line.....sounds like a new pattern for me to play around with :eyes:

You aren't that far off!
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Kevin

Thanks for the clearance, I will practice the new setup and report later the progress, for me may take very long :).

This is in Taipei.

Sorry my friend, I wish we could be on the range with you. Getting the set up perfect will make a huge change in your motion. Keep working at it!

:golf:

Kevin

Wow, is Brian's swing impressive, or what?

Not bad! With a little more practice, it might look as good as this one... :king:

Kevin

Moe Norman's swing would be very cool!
 

:laughing9 :golf:

Kevin, Moe Norman is an attractive model for me (though I have some doubts about his descendants in teaching) due to the low wear and tear on my football battered body! :golf:

Mr. Manzella did a nice analysis of that swing although he did not really make the TGM methods clear. Is that something you or another TGM instructor might offer a general guide to esp. for those of us with an artificial hip and metal rod in my front leg.:laughing1

If a guy who survived a car accident could win 59 tournaments using that swing and shoot a few 59's, I might be able to someday win our "C" flight and senior tournament! :salut:

Patrick

You've come to the right place!

I agree, I like a lot of what Moe Norman does, especially the way he sets up. All you need to do is study YODA's teaching when it comes to the Magic of The Right Forearm, and setting up with the Right Forearm on plane. Nobody does it better than YODA's student Brian Gay.

Obviously, there are a lot of differences in the pattern, but based upon a similar foundation. You have a couple of documents that will be very helpful to learning both YODA's and Brian's swing patterns.

Kevin

Kevin, thanks again!
 

I will zero in on the right forearm! :golf: :salut:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy_icxF14A0

This is my current hitting with a driver. Right forearm picks up and drive down. Easy to perform, ball goes straight but only around 240 yards.

1.Should I stand more closer to the ball with the left arm more closer to the body?
2.Am I at the STP, zero shfit?
3.Have I did the take out the slack move as I don't feel th initial bump.

Appreciate any of your comments.

Thanks.

Hi Daryti. Let me thank you for your good questions since they help me, alot.
 

I have been making the mistake you made in your first video by trying to maintain a real, rigid, "Zero-shift." If you research "Impact Fix," you will discover more "tilt" at address with a softer right arm, a very special grip which I was unaware of until a few days ago (left index finger as trigger and left thumb on the "aft" or back of the shaft), and a very simple motion of bending and unbending the right elbow. (This special grip is very new to me and it works well with my short and mid-irons, but it has me hooking my driver so I have to play the ball way up in my stance to get the horizontal hinge fade effect or a straight ball. Anyway, the other guys will give you the info on this. They are expert, I am a novice.)

While using this "Search" function on this forum and looking up "Impact Fix," also look up "Extensor Action" which you simply must use to benefit in your full swing, chips, pitches and putts.

So "Impact Fix, Extensor Action, Right Forearm Takeaway (look this up if you have not so far), TOP, and then you swing or hit (which I'm not that solid on but Yoda, Daryl, OB Left, Kevin, 12 Piece and lots of others are).

When you "Search" go to the earliest or "Last" posts first. Study and look, look, look!

If your resources allow, I would recommend "The Address Routine" with Yoda and Ted Fort and the "Alignment I" DVD set.

The free videos are all instructive as you know, but have you looked at "Holies and Polies?" It shows Yoda working with person's right forearm hit and pivot. Very instructive!

Keep up the good work!:)

Patrick

Thanks Patrick. I have all the videos and have been watching many times. The trouble is usually you think you understand and did it but not. I will look at the holies things again.

Holies and Polies good results!
 

Hi Daryti. I went to the range early today determined to reproduce the "Holies and Polies" drill. I hit about 100 balls with various clubs and the hits were very solid. I also learned that I could come down very smoothly on my front foot, keep my balance, and strike the ball powerfully and with good control.

I started the drill by bending my right wrist back like an American football player uses a "straight arm" to hold off a tackler. That made the Right Forearm Takeaway go to my shoulder as my Top. I then tried to hold the wrist solidly and let my Pivot take me through the shot.

I missed 4 birdy putts to shoot a 41 (5 0ver) on my front 9 and then had my favorite putter fall apart. My mistakes were turning birdy chances into bogies though, and wound up with a 45 (11 over) for an 86. My hcp. index is 15. My ball striking was very good but my putting was pretty bad. :crybaby:

The right arm drill was very helpful. Keep us posted on your results and with your questions. Good luck! :laughing9

Patrick

Appreciate your comments again. Hitting a driver today, from the video you can see that first with hip shift bringing down the right shoulder, at impact with right forearm in line, bent right arm, flat left wrist and then right arm straighten all the way to finish.

However, it seems that I am still inside at the top, and at address still arms still far out from the body?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oBH9zv6s3Q

Thanks,
Danny

Danny, watch Lynn's down the line videos and Ted Fort's.
 

I don't have the sophisticated software that some do on this site. If I did, I would isolate your film and theirs and compare. Do you have the Alignment I videos? There is so much in those dvd's!

Have you tried swinging? Sometimes, the alternate approach uncovers the most insight!

很高興收到你的來信。


YBGF

City,
I think the best news I have seen is your Star Trek putter falling apart. Get a nice small unencumbered blade and feel those putts Roll to the hole. Carefully follow the instruction found on dvd #3 in AGI.
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Thanks City for your comments, I do have the DVD. I have tried swinging, in fact, and swing for chips and pitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa48vcsiK2k


This is my current hitting a driver. I have the ball more close to me instead of too streching out previously. Have extension action going back, club face looking at the ball at beginning of backswing. Before reaching the mid parallel position, saw picking the club up. Few things still working on:
1. At address is between EP and TSP, at top, has a close face. It seems that I also above the TSP at the top.
2. Feel like the club 45 degree, but actually parallel.
3. Coming down, applying #3, early release. I don't feel my first move is a hip slide as I am pressing #3 and #1 immediately at the top. However, watching the video saw quite a lot of hip action.

Appreciate any comments.

I am not sure its all that closed, its a little misleading due to the length of the swing.

Honestly I hate using a driver for determining mechanics because there are some things you are doing with the driver that don't apply to many shots (on a tee, maybe hitting up, longer shaft).

With the swing that long it would seem real hard to drive load the shaft. It would seem like you have to pull the shaft a little like a swinger then be able to use the right arm, thats not all that easy.

It looks like a below plane swinging motion to me, if the face is closed is your miss low left hook?

Address --- Impact

Shot usually is straight or little right due to driving to the right. I have once asked a GSED and he said I am swinging, that confused me as I am driving my right arm from the top without thinking about the pivot. If I intentionally exaggerate a hip slide, I will easily pull the shot to the left.