angle of approach(decent)
 

I forget the correct verbage. how can i shallow mine out? is it as easy as dropping and gravity? i am 6'3" so height works against me here. trying to shallow out to bring ball flight down and control ball better. thx guys.

wow , I guess 15 degrees in Marietta puts luke and yoda into hibernation.... LOL, guess you cant hit down as much:happy3:

Hey VEg, dont worry about Yoda he's got his sunscreen on in Hawaii. As for Luke he's probably in a muscle shirt in his heated hittin shack at the swamp. Sort of like an ice fishing hut up here in Canada. He's got a snow mobile parked out front, a fire going and some hot coffee on the boil. No problemo.

If I understand your original question, to shallow out your "Angle of Attack," you could simply place the ball closer to low point. This is probably not the answer you are looking for, I know. Are you sure the high ball flight is due to a steep approach? Could be a release thing too. I dunno.

Cheers

PS I love that Bobby Jones quote of yours. Nice.

the arctic tundra
 

I gave three lessons on a day that didn't get above 34. One was a putting lesson that I couldn't do in my bay (no shelter from the wind).

The worst day was the day after the ice and snow. I spent three hours with a local golf pro. He was able to come because his course was closed. The wind chill was in the single digits, but it did get into the teens. The snow was a great reflector for the sun. The Casio got some great pictures, although we both became swingers (women) because of the cold.

Yoda sent me some pictures from Hawaii, and I told him it wasn't very kind of him.

Ted,

I thought I told you, swingers are very intelligent creatures, we stay indoors and drink beer when it is like that.

the inside game
 

I thought that you told me it was Chai tea latte, pastries, and soap operas. But, I understand and appreciate the attempt at a masculine facade.

I still think that you're a closet Hitter trapped in a Swinger's body. :laughing9

angle of attack
 

VEG,

Have you seen the Plane on video recently? Are you OTT?

You sissy :-D

We have a saying in Stavanger: There is no such thing as bad weather. Only bad clothes.

While I was a teenager, I carried the morning paper around, using a bicycle. Had to get up around 4.30 AM each morning. It was really a night job and there was time for a 2 hrs nap before the day started.

For a couple of years in a row, the temperature dropped to around minus 25 fahrenheit around christmas time. Man that was cold! The bicycle almost refused to move and I had so much clothes on me that I could hardly move myself. Never mention picking out a paper from the bag. But still I frose my ass off each nignt.

I realize that this sounds like a very particular Monthy Python gig, but this is just how it was and I don't miss it for sure. I hate the cold weather as much as the next guy.

But I enjoyed the pictures from Yoda. And your response spiced it up. Any sign of intelligence is a bless out in the frost desert :laughing9

I can't imagine
 

You must have received the man of the year award for that. Wearing your kilt, the seat must have been unbearable. :smiley2304: They wear those in Norway, right??

Luke,

I can assure you it took quite a few hours before I was a "man" again after those cold paper deliveries. Serious shrinkage if you know what I mean. I am not south pole material anyway and I'm not sure if I ever recovered from that, because I really hate it when it's cold.

It is in Scotland they wear kilts btw. We Norwegians just wear the skin from Ice Bear we killed for lunch. :headbang:

i might be OTT, I'll take a look at the plane vid, guessing it is in the usual place?

but I think my main problem is going fwd too soon at the ball, always has been.

My apologies for creating distraction in your thread GLFNVEG,

There could be a huge number of reasons for a high trajectory, and they can be found in the stroke and in the equipment.

I can see that you have the attention from some serious experts in here. I'm sure they can give you some good tips if you provide more info about your ball striking.

Long? Short? Draw? Fade? Do you hit the ball hard? What about back spin? What clubs are you using, and what shafts? What are your typical misses?

George Archer comes to mind of very tall people who had a shallow approach coming in to the ball. I would look at his knees 1st a very nice sit down move to shift the club to the elbow plane.

VEG, send some video via email or similar to YodasLuke or Golfgnome. That'll give them a better sample for their expert diagnosis. I just sent a couple of specimens to Luke myself. These guys are good, real good.

killing bears
 

How do you kill them? Do you bite their throats to suffocate them?

LBG School
 

Veg came to one of our first schools that we did on Long Island. So, I've seen him. In fact, I may have his old video on my computer. I have thousands stored.

Naah. I just give them a TGM speech. I read from the book with a monotonous voice. After a few paragraphs they usually start getting serious anxiety attacks. Very few have made it past the three basic imperatives actually.

The high ball flight has been an issue for years regardless of what equipement I have used. all different heads shafts etc. So the largest contributor to this flight is the indian. Now I know I have a little lay back in the shaft at impact, not horrible but enough. Trying to get to better impact position with forward shaft lean only makes me steeper focusing that far up in the swing....so I am starting to look a little further back, like startdown, to find a solution that works for me. There are other faults that creep into my swing, layoff and a little slide, which I probably created to give me a little more time to shallow it out, but those are my natural tendencies.
I do not hit the ball hard but I am not short relative to most golfers. I generate good speed and have a decent smash factor.

thanks for taking a look.

Impact Statement
 

Hey Veg

Im tall like you, 6'3" and used to hit sky high. I once when demoing a 9 iron hit it over top of the net ..........problem was it was in the middle of a golf store. I had people running for cover back in the shoe section!! No exaggeration here sadly.

Anyways my deal was, (I think currently, tomorrow might be different) that I had a slide, with little turning, a pivot stall, that promoted a flip and a pull or worse if you know what I mean, yes a ducking hook if my clubhead path got going to the outside. To compensate for the flip I would Steer, a manipulation of the Hands to prevent the face from turning to the left , which approached Vertical Hinging (lay back with no closing). Steering also introduced me to its frequent companion Left WRist Bending. I dont know what the deal is with those two, lets just say they are really good buddies!

I picked the ball off pretty clean back then, hardly a divot at all, the shots werent penetrating more floaty, my driver was plenty long but my irons were shorter than my buddies. A symphony of compensations that scared the heck out of the shoe shoppers back when I was young.

Now, I try to get left via a Slide but once there I Turn and also try to Roll the left wrist as if Horizontal Hinging. Despite the fact Im Hitting and really probably Angled most days. "Angled with a chance of Horizontal" is a weather report I prefer to "Angled with a chance of Vertical". As long as I am executing a Hinge Action and not an overswivel, Im not going left, given a good ball placement.

Its not the arrow, thats for sure, its the physics of impact. Its the left wrist doing its job as de facto clubface. Staying perpendicular to one of the Three Basic Planes. And so I must look, LOOK , LOOK at my Left Wrist to make sure it is doing so. And play with the associated feel to reproduce it. A feel that changes from day to day for me.

But I can now, so many years later, hit the inside of the net with a 9 iron!! No problemo.


PS I think Homer would like your idea about looking for something in Startdown. He might even suggest you look for something before that, at Top. See 12-3-0 pt 22. Top is where you prepare to ROLL on a preselected Delivery Line. "DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP" . Homer putting special emphasis on the Roll!

From my experience, I dont think a golfer can just say "ok lets have some more shaft lean next time and a flat left wrist too". One ounce of Steering and those good intentions are paving the proverbial road to golf hell again. So break Steering's code, the false logic of the reason for the Steering and the Zone 1 problem that may promotes it by way of compensation or whatever. As if fixing your Zone 3 problem and your impact conditions will most likely reveal the Zone 1 problem that promotes/necessitates the Steering in the first place. Although in a hierarchical sense we are supposed to address Zone 1 problems first.

Maybe you are chasing the wrong thing? The Angle of Attack by itself anyways is not the likely culprit. Even though you may be steep, especially if you are OTT. Its a system after all, your components are. Decode it to change it. Probably gonna need work in all three Zones. Everyone does after all. From Tiger on down.

Ah Heck just phone Ted, he'll fix you up.