Hogan's Right Hand
 

Why do you think Hogan's right hand was so on top of the club?

To me it is the top right knucle that he wanted to control, You can swing to hard and get over active with it from the top or you can get over active with it at the bottom. Hogan's left hand was not as weak as many might think but the right hand was. By moving the right knuckle on top coupled with his layed off lag he could go at it as hard as he wanted and was sure not to come over the top and get over active with the hand. As he pushed the club to the aiming point with the right wrist and right knucle the rotation of the dominant right side squared the arc and the right hand controled the shot.

You for sure have seen that footage of hogan at the dude's house in carribean or wherever that's at? I think he's getting the #3 pressure point . . . fleshy pad between the first two knuckles on the aft side of the shaft. Mr. Hogan's Right Forearm Flying Wedge alignment was impecable . . . so I think he's getting the most support there . . . also swinging on the Elbow Plane he had his right arm working at pretty much 90 degrees to the axis as Mr. Kelley describes the Elbow Plane in the 2nd and 3rd edition. That dude was slap maxing out his physics and his geometry. Also a big piece of keeping the bend in his right wrist was how far forward he went with his hips. I've ordered your book and look forward to reading it.

Don't forget setup and angles too, he was a master at setup. Here is a real photo that might help to the very elementry drawing I made about setup to plane. Also, Thank You to your last comment!

School me on your analysis of the set up angles please sir. I can't remember exactly how this goes but anyway . . .when Mr. Hogan was older I think someone asked him if he had learned anything new about the swing he said "no" but that he had "learned something about ball position." You got any insight on that at all?

I noticed on some of the other forums you were a Duval fan . . . how would you compare Duval to Hogan? I see some definite similarities in their pivots and how the club exits . . what about the grip? I agree that Hogan's left hand isn't as "weak" as people talk about but Duval had a way stronger left hand and right hand I think right?

Also . . . what would you do to fix Duval? I know one thing his hands are no where close to being as "deep" now as the were in his hayday. I'd love to see him win again.

Hey Burley

I dont think he pushed at #3, at #1 certainly but not at #3. He said there was very little grip pressure at the right index finger but sensed some pressure "coming through". Which to me seems consistent with #3 being a non direct drive pressure point. Here is a transcript of the Coleman Palm Beach tapes.

Ben Hogan:

"Are you on sound?" "These are the pressure points, in your hands.

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The two center fingers of your right hand and last three fingers of your left hand. Here." (Pointing)

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Also this butt pad shoves right on up on top of the shaft, while your last three fingers are pulling up at all times. Very little pressure on the index finger of the right hand and thumb. You get the pressure of your right hand with this butt pad of your index finger. Going through. It isnt any pressure down or around the shaft, its just forward" (He then demonstrates with a movement of the hands forward, applying lag pressure to the #3 pressure point).



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George Coleman:

"Ok Ben thank you a lot, that was hard work etc "


End of tape.


I like your idea about his left hand not being as weak as thought.........you can have your left thumb on top of the grip and still have a turned grip and some knuckles showing. His grip wasnt strong by any means but it wasnt super weak either.

That is what he said and good stuff, but I think Hogan was talking feel. Look at what he feels he does in his swing there and also the youtube with him talking about "you have to fire the hips".. He does not do it just like that and it's aquated to what he feels.. IMO Thats why feel can be mis-understood by others. Hogan also said in 5 lessons his arms felt like they were in rope? You could be right though, it's strickly my observation and my thoughts.

Hi BurleyGolf,

Did Hogan use a Weaker grip for longer clubs before he began to change ball locations?

Look at the photo above in OP, same! I never really looked at the young Hogan much so if you are talking about then I could not tell you, I only look at Hogan just before the wreck and after till his old age.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsl7aozegEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNgMNK3CtWU

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Are you sure that's Hogan? Looks like Luther Blacklock dressed as Hogan to me...

I believe that is Luther, when I started the thread I must have thought that was Hogan and tried to show the photos as an example.

BG-

The position of his right knuckle is something Ive been thinking about lately. Glad to find this thread again.

The pp#3 in the knuckle for Drag or the Swingers Float Loading and Longitudinal Acceleration from End in Startdown as opposed to the Hitters Drive Loading from Top (no Arc) against the first joint pp#3.

Ben Hogan placed that knuckle on the Top of the shaft so beautifully and with a definite purpose in mind, Im thinking. He used that knuckle! Not to mention his first joint. This is the ideal way Im thinking to set your right index finger and knuckle on the shaft.

He placed that knuckle on the Top of the Shaft and sensed the shaft bending along that same line in transition. The vertical plane of the LFFW. At impact after his hands had rotated off the Inclined plane, he sensed the shaft bend or load along the plane of the RFFW at the pp#3 in the first joint on the Aft of the shaft. These two planes forming a 90 degree angle. Hogan said in the Coleman tapes that this pp#3 at the first joint just sensed the (lag) pressure "going through", no pressure down and around with the index finger. Im not sure if this implies anything vis a vis the application of right arm thrust or not, that is a can of worms maybe anyways. But it does point to a Strong Single Action 10-2-B type grip with the #3 pp (first joint) on the aft of the shaft. The photos in the yellow book sort of throw me off a bit here though as the 10-2-A photo looks more Hoganish to me. Maybe Im wrong, I dunno. He for sure demonstrated his #3 pp on the aft side of the grip in the Coleman movie.

How the heck Homer Kelley working out of his garage in Seattle some years prior to the Coleman film accurately described this Drag, Lag, Float, Longitudinal vs Radial etc and the application of force through those specific pressure points is beyond me.

Here is Hogan right hand grip from the Coleman film. I used to see it as being "weak", on top, but notice the position of the first joint in his right index finger the pp#3 on the aft of the shaft and the knuckle on top of the shaft. These are purposeful ALIGNMENTS.

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Here is Lynn on the subject of the #3 pp location for swingers and hitters.

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