11 TGM Ball Flights
 

If anyone sees a problem, please identify the error for correction.

I remember 10-5-E is a pull...stance line to the right; base line to the left...I might be wrong.

Daryl, glad you bring this up. This is a very interesting topic for discussion.

What are the parallel lines you have illustrated there?

Plane Line and Stance Line. The tick marks represent changes in Ball Location due to Rotating the Plane Line.

Here are the Nine Combinations of Plane, Stance and Target Line. I've have three figured out. I can't get the other ones with a full pivot. I need some help.

Per 10-12, I thought the Stance Line didnt effect the clubhead path but rather served to restrict the pivots motion in one direction. Closed restricting the downswing, Open restricting the Backswing. I know this is contrary to the common perception of things. But the Plane Line governs the clubhead path, no?

Also shouldnt there be a column for clubface alignement or do you keep it a constant in the above? How about Angle of Attack and trajectory, spin etc via ball position?

Yes. That's how I imagine it.

Sorry, I should have wrote (Clubface Alignment) under "Target Line". Swingers Rotate the Target Line to align with the Clubface at its Forward, Normal or Aft Locations, Hitters Rotate the Grip to align the Clubface square to the Target Line at its Forward, Normal or Aft Locations.

I know this is a little off topic but that video that Daryl has in his signature line still gives me chills and I must've seen it 30-40 times already. Awesome!!!

Sorry dont follow you. What is the Target Line? Why are Swingers and Hitters different? Please point me to the appropriate chapter in the book. Thanks.

Im thinking the Plane line governs clubhead path, Face Angle governs initial Line of Flight of ball. Again, I know this is contrary to what we read elsewhere.

I love this sort of thing though, this is whats its all about. I wish there was a "shot makers corner" around here where we could discuss Machine Adjustments for various shots. This thread is a good starting point I think.

Starting Point?? :laughing9 :laughing9

Most golfers couldn't even guess at the number of Flight paths. The so called best and brightest in the world believe there are only nine and probably no more than a dozen TGM experts that know of eleven. Now you do too. I think it's a pretty good start. :laughing1


Target Line: Draw a line from your ball before you strike it to where you eventually want the ball to come to rest after you strike it. That's the Target Line. In the illustrations, the "Target Line" is the Straight Line from the Ball to the Flagstick.

It took me about a year, maybe two, on my own to understand the following. I hope you have better luck. If you need help, I can give you explanations by the numbers. :)

Thanks Daryl, Im a really going to learn some important stuff from this.

This is a topic that is so critical to advanced golf and yet it hasnt seen the light of day in everyday golf instruction. Common thinking holds that the clubhead path determines the initial line of flight of the ball and the ball then curves back to where the face is pointing. Conversely, strangely as we get closer to the green most people subscribe to the opposite (and correct) set of principles and point the face of their sand wedge at the hole and then cut it or per Pelz consider the putters face angle not putter path as the critical determinant in the initial direction of their putts.

If you've ever tried to curve a shot around an obstacle, you know that pointing the face at the hole normally sends the ball into the obstacle immediately. Homer, I think, is saying that the clubface determines the initial line of flight and the ball curves in accordance with the bent plane line or Delivery Line of the Clubhead. So point the face wide of the obstacle and bend the Plane Line away from the Face angle to produce the curve needed.

Daryl, can we slowly flush this all out? Step by step?

Forgetting True Swingers for a bit and dealing with Hitters and manipulated hands Swingers alignments, can you incorporate the quote above into a drawing similar to your 10-5-A , removing the flag maybe and showing how the ball would react for each procedure. Im thinking this will show the various flight characteristics in a more comparable manner. One ball going straight to the middle of the green, one falling to the right side and short etc. Would a pull, draw go longer and left?

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Would the Flight Paths be congruent if the Hitter (or manipulated hands swinger) were to adjust his Plane Line to compensate for the open or closed clubface?

Wouldnt balls played back of low point have a lower trajectory due to shaft lean and a longer flight? How bout balls played forward of low point?

How can you show the Machine Adjustments , Plane Line, Face angle, Ball Position?

Sorry , I know Im making you work here but this is history you are drawing Daryl. Dont let Golf Digest see this prior to copywriting it. Lets just keep this amongst ourselves and the several million people on this site.


PS They cant be congruent can they? The ball played forward will have less shaft lean, the open face will have more effective loft. How do they differ in terms of flight?

Besides the Pull and Push which have not been thus far illustrated; the Slice, Push Slice, Pull Hook and Hook are the ONLY Ball Flights available to a Hitter in which the "Line of Compression" be sustained for a controlled and repeatable procedure. Any other manipulation may and will produce a wide variety of Flight Paths and Trajectories which make distance control a "guesswork" procedure. So, Clubface and ball location changes don't result in more leakage of compression, but as soon as you add a Target Line adjustment, then adjusting Ball Flight is a matter of adding or reducing leakage. It's not the way to lower scores.


All balls are played before Low Point. To Hook the Ball only requires the ball to be played back an inch or so. More for more hook. A slice needs only an inch or so forward of your normal position.

HITTERS are probably much better off playing Push Slices and Pulled Hooks. With very minor plane and clubface re-aligning, the Flight and Trajectories look very much like a Swingers Draws and Fades.

Its easy. by tonight.



Ball location changes of as little as 1 inch can produce significant flight path curves. Clubface alignment changes are equally as sensitive.

Hitters most useful Ball Flight Paths.

Example: Hit a Slice

Note: this is not the Slice commonly known to hackers. This procedure sustains the line of compression and is a very well controlled procedure with fine adjusts and becomes highly reliable.

1. Move the Ball Forward
2. Reposition the Clubhead behind the Ball and it becomes Slightly Closed
3. Open the Clubface until it is Square to the Plane Line

Is this an overhead view or golfers point of view?

Wouldnt the ball positioned forward of the straight away ball position be further out since the clubhead prior to low point is traveling down, out and forward?

Why does the ball slice from the forward position if the face is square to the target line and the clubhead is traveling out to low point?

This is getting harder than I anticipated.

Do you see the Shoes? Step into the Shoes.





Only if you sink into the ground too. It's on the Plane Line but "Down-Plane" a little more. Moving the Ball to your right, is Up-Plane. Moving the Ball to the Left, is Down-Plane. Your Clubhead is moving Down, out, and forward. Read on.

The Face is Square at Normal Address. But remember, when you first positioned the Clubface behind the Ball at it's new Forward Location, your Hands and Clubface became slightly Rolled. You then squared the Clubface by rotating the Shaft Clockwise but your Hands stayed Rolled. SO, when the Clubhead returns to the Ball at Impact, Your hands will be Aligned to Plane as normal, but the Clubface will be open. The Clubface will be Closing through the Impact Interval, but at Separation, the Clubface will still be Open to the Plane Line. Also, keep in mind that the Ball was moved forward one inch, your hands will be one inch more forward at Impact also.

The purpose of "going through the Motions" and using this set-up and re-alignment procedure is because this can be a very precisely Controlled Slice. You need to see how even a fraction of an inch can affect Ball Path. I'm sure, that once you learn a 5 yard, 10 and even 15 yard Slice, that the Set-up and Alignments will become intuitive.

If I just said to open the clubface and play the ball 1" forward, what would you learn? This way, you can teach yourself to play any amount of Slice and remain under Control so the Ball lands at the desired Target.


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It's temporary. Put your Brain through the stress of leaning this. Once the Alignments are learned, you'll never forget and it will be easier to apply the alignments for other areas of the Stroke.

This is the easy stuff. Thank goodness that you're not a Swinger. I can't imagine what you would think if I said "now, Rotate the Target Line, then relocate your Plane line until the new target line converges onto the old target line." :crybaby:

So birds eye, plan view.




What are the curved arrows? Club paths? Where is the Arc or Angle of Approach?




I thought we gripped it at fix. Why grip it at Normal Address and then do the rolling to square the face only to come back with the hands as per normal and the face open? Why not just grip it at Fix, roll the face open in the hands and call it a day?