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Ben Hogan's Magical Device
A new Hogan Book just came out entitled, "Ben Hogan's Magical Device" by Ted Hunt. Hunt holds degrees in Physiology and Human Kinetics, and a doctorate in History.
While I haven't had a chance to read it, I skimmed through it. I believe the magical device is what we refer to here as the Power Package (chapter 6 in TGM) and corresponds with what Ken Venturi said Hogan told him his secret was. |
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What's Up Doc?
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I just started the new book "Ben Hogan's Magical Device". Although he doesn't mention TGM by name, author Ted Hunt fires a shot accross TGM bow in Chapter 3 entitled, "The General Problem".... "They write lengthy, tortuous books on the subject - books that would cross a physicist's eyes. Such tomes need an engineer's dictionary for reference, and have been held up as the major factor responsible for destroying the careers of at least two professional tour players, leaving the once successful competitior talking to himself about the lost or stressed levers when he, before all others, would admit that his mind should be absorbed with the image of his target and not the mechanics of the swing. In the words of the Immortal Bugs Bunny: "He don't know us very well, do he?" |
Are you sure you have all books that Hogan is main topic?
Go to Amazon.com and look up One Plane Cut Swing "Hogan's Secret Angle"...Just came out late April Sorry to toot my own horn but you brought it up. |
Between the Covers
Thanks Burley. I have it. I even have fiction books on Hogan, like "The Caddy that Knew Ben Hogan" and "Follow the Wind" (Hogan playing golf in someones dream) as well as "Ben and Buster" (the story of Hogan's relationship with a dog from Shady Oaks CC). No comment from Bucket is necessary on the latter. If anyone comes up with any other obscure Hogan books, please let me know.
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Cool! PM me and let me know what you thought about it good, or bad.
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Have you got this one , another used car salesman making Hogan Flip in his grave Flip being the operative word http://www.secretinthedirt.com/ebook/ |
Ben Hogan swing advice - Esquire 1943
Anyone read that? Mr. Hogan stated something regarding belts around the elbows and knees above as training...the head as the apex of the tripod...the feel of good golf swing....lots of teaching origins...
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Sounds like 'connection' - the hands and chest moving in Rhythm
Like Austin's "flamer" |
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How to Belt It !
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A matter of degrees
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Hebron's books are a must have for any student of the swing IMO. The book mentioned above is like a Master's Thesis on golf instruction, presented very clearly and with great insight into learning.
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Thanks for the link Daryl and KOC!
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Does Hebron discuss Hitting as well as Swinging? .
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I'd like to Teach the World to Swing
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From Mike Hebron: "When pushing forces are being applied to a mass, these forces must be applied exactly through the center of the mass to produce the same results a pulling force will automatically provide (stable mass-constant path). A push applied off cneter causes the mass to rotate off-line. Mass will not rotate on its own, mass must be caused to rotate by a force. Nature's truths know no other possibilities." |
Quick...tell Ted!
Is that why hitting seems to place a premium on geometry, and swinging on physics?
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Throw Out the Physics
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Drew, the Hitting issue aside, would you recommend his books to non Swingers? Bias seems so non Homer like.
How many quadrillion different patterns are there again? Ob |
Mike's Greats Hits...eh, make that Greatest Swings
If you are a Swinger, you will enjoy any of Hebron's books. If you are not a Swinger, you probably will not. However, he does have some good information on how the body and the "grey matter" works and how we learn effectively.
Number of Effective Motions: 446,512,500,000,000,000 or 446 Quadrillion. Pick the one that is right for you! |
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Definitely true of Inside Swinging The Outside. I found Hebron's Golf Swing Secrets and Lies to contain a WONDERFUL introduction to TGM in general... Kevin |
Not trying to be difficult but I don't think Homer Kelly had a pattern for Hogan's swing. TGM says 4 barrel, or 2-M-3 what ever else but Hogan hit the golf ball fully with his right side and thats pretty much why people don't like to talk about Hogan's swing and if they do I find them to be way off base. The old way of TGM talked about a bowed left wrist now they have chaged it to flat. Hogan used his extrem flex bowing the back of the right wrist to bow his left through impact. This also got the club in a layed off lag position while the right elbow was getting into place for Hogan to hit it as hard as he wanted with his right side. Hogan was not a swinger or a hitter he was a rotary pusher of the dominant right side. I explained this in my book that some of you have read and asked me about. I have hit Hogan's personal clubs and they are 6 flat, with a grounded heel to set open, extrem stiff, and thick grips, with a coat hanger it felt like set at 5:25. I have talked to people that played with him on a regular basis, pro's that played against him, and was able to view some private films of him swinging on the range. The Ben Hogan Estate went as far to authorise me with full rights to Hogan's name and image.
I'm not saying that I am the only person that knows Hogan's swing or that what I say is the final word but rather a lot of people get Hogan wrong on what he did in the golf swing and they are trying to make you believe what they do from the facts they have gathered from photos, or youtube video which all but one I have seen don't show a strait angle of Hogan from a DTL which most base there facts off of. Sorry if I come off in any wrong way I am just trying to help myself understand others point of views to my own and express what I think as well. |
Today I had a local club fitter up here, show me George Knudson's old 3 wood, which immediately reminded me of all the stories about Hogans clubs. It was a telephone pole too. Knudson was a big Hogan fan and companion at times. It was a 1980's Minzuno, persimmon, small black head, the stiffest steel shaft available Im told, a Brunswick FM90? The first thought I had was how heavy the thing was. The head was drilled out and lead filled and then the shaft end was severely counter balanced to get the swing weight down to C-9. The man showing it to me is the nephew of George's old club maker and as a youth used to do the runs to the hardware store to buy the bolts they used for counter balancing. He said that George didnt care so much about swing weight but rather the dead weight. He liked it heavy. This 3 wood came in at almost 16 ounces. Doesnt sound like much but it was heavy in the hands. Thing was it sort of swung itself and seemed like it would work nicely to me..............Hmmmmm?
Somewhere in the memory banks I remember a story of Golf Digest listing Knudson as the best fairway wood player of all time. This was a while back of course. |
It is in there, Burley
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I hope you are doing GREAT my friend! One of my TGM heroes made this post years ago. I think it is a very interesting take on Mr. Hogan's pattern. I agree with OKIE, it's in the book, I don't have the knowledge to figure it out myself, but I am a MASTER of Cut and Paste! :) Cheers, Kevin Quote:
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Not a lot of people talk about set up because it is one of the things that is so varied to each persons natural swing, at least as told my many. I think that you all hear a lot of Tour pro's talk about setup/alignment and thats about as for as it goes. I think that any player that gets the correct setup/alignment will play his best ever but you have to throw weight distribution into the mix because to much left or to much right changes the plane. Below I have added a very 4 year old photo I drew and yes it looks like my kid who is 4 years old drew it! What it show is a never changing club head line as to its arc, but you will see as the feet change the shoulders and hand arc changes. This to me is why it is important as to the way the hands travel keeping the club plane arc in tact. My self personaly I roll the club open because I don't want to leave my self a chance of hitting it way left and I don't believe hooding the club is a good thing as some think but call it (matching the spin angle). Notice the line through the midde showing ball position the club lean never changes and the ball position is consistant as the angles of the feet and shoulders change. Well just look at the photo and see it from all possible angles as the club lies open, and think of Hogan. Most people think Hogan had his hands behind the ball at address and in fact the angle of the photos or video or playing tricks on your mind! Just something to chew on... |
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VERY NICE!!! Hogan on arc of approach . . . shifting ball around on the arc to hit different shapes and trajectories but keeping the arc. . . . also SHOULDERS CONTROL PLANE OF THE ARMS . . . great illustration. Thanks for posting up. |
B-golf . . . could you speak to Hogan's "connection" concept? what is your take on that? How does it work . . . what does it do?
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Is this something folks should be trying to do? Or is it just part of Mr. Hogan's move? I don't think there's anything that he left to chance in that swing. Just wondering why that particular piece/pieces are there. |
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I think that LB has it pretty much nailed on the head its' "Aiming Point". Hogan's aiming point was inside left instead of just out of front toe. I see Hogan really pushing the club with his right hand and rotation of the upper trunk controls the face. As for the connection keep upper left arm peck conection and the right was about getting into position on the down swing so he could use the right to push and turn. |
"Hogan was not a swinger or a hitter he was a rotary pusher of the dominant right side."
That right there sold you a book, hope to have by the weekend :) |
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TGM states two ways of applying force to the club through the release and impact interval. Push or pull. It's pretty rudimentary. When you say that Hogan was a "Rotary Pusher" do you mean that his body rotated in a circle and he pushed the club through impact? |
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I will tell you what! I love the heck out of what Yoda teaches and I do not know all the terms to TGM, I have never even read the book. I have watched Yoda's video's, emailed him, and picked up information from this site and others. I love sharing my knowledge and learning! Most people like to hear what I have to say, (Except @ Golfwrx) I have been banned there more times than The Bible's in Congress! I really try to watch what I say here because I do not want to over step any of Yoda's great knowledge, but when it comes to asking question about TGM or talking about Hogan, I usaly don't hold back! So, to answer your question, I am not able to put it into TGM terms but I hope to be able to one day as I increase my knowledge of TGM. |
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I mean he held an angle that he created and that let him push and turn as hard as he wanted with the right side! The increase in angle in the back of the right wrist from the top allowed him to do several things at once he needed to preform his swing. It let him layoff the club, create lag, get the right elbow in position, and bow the left wrist by increase angle in the back of the right wrist. The increase of angle is the pushing, the upper trunk is the rotation and "BOTH" controled the lie, loft, and angle of the face so he could go at it as hard as he wanted! |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3dhY1Qi1k |
 It looks like pulling. I didn't see a single indication of any #1 Thrusting. |
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