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greyguy 06-02-2009 12:27 AM

Any right arm swingers out there?
 
I have recently been told by my TGM instructor that I am a swinger; not a hitter. I injured my left shoulder when a teenage playing ball and it has always been weak when extended. My instructor told me to swing with my right arm and gave me some visuals to work on.
I am just wondering if there are any other right arm swingers on this discussion board that might want to chat about what works for them.

Daryl 06-02-2009 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by greyguy (Post 64625)
I have recently been told by my TGM instructor that I am a swinger; not a hitter. I injured my left shoulder when a teenage playing ball and it has always been weak when extended. My instructor told me to swing with my right arm and gave me some visuals to work on.
I am just wondering if there are any other right arm swingers on this discussion board that might want to chat about what works for them.

Did you ask him/her to explain the difference between right arm swinging and left arm swinging?

The Right Elbow replaces the Left Shoulder as the Center of the Clubhead Arc.

Ask these questions:

Are you a Right Arm Swinger if you only use your right arm (left arm in pocket)?

Do Right Arm Swingers Use a #4 Accumulator?

Are all Golfers who use Extensor Action Left Arm Swingers?

Should Right Arm Swingers play the ball back in the Stance?

Will Pulling the Right Elbow Downward from the Top of the Swing cause a Right Arm Swing?

Do All Right Arm Swingers use the Elbow PLane?

greyguy 06-02-2009 01:12 PM

Good questions.
He did go over the importance of the elbow plane; at address and throughout the swing.

He talked about the importance of using an underhand pitch motion for right arm swingers with clubhead lag. (I had never used that pitch motion before)

He told me that at the end of the backswing my left wrist will be cocked, flat with my right under my left and that they are delivered towards the ball in the same configeration. He mentioned that when the left wrist uncocks near impact, that makes the clubhead slighlty close and puts the clubhead in perfect position to strike it with sweet spot (near heel) with a clubface that looks way too open. He said I will be striking the ball from that position and that is when dual horizontal hinge action takes over to close the clubface through impact and send the ball straight.

He called me this morning to find out how I was doing and when I told him that things were coming along but over half of my shots were pushing to the right, he told me to study and practice dual horizontal hinge action.

I will ask him your questions when I talk to him next.

Daryl 06-02-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by greyguy (Post 64643)
Good questions.
He did go over the importance of the elbow plane; at address and throughout the swing.

He talked about the importance of using an underhand pitch motion for right arm swingers with clubhead lag. (I had never used that pitch motion before)

He told me that at the end of the backswing my left wrist will be cocked, flat with my right under my left and that they are delivered towards the ball in the same configeration. He mentioned that when the left wrist uncocks near impact, that makes the clubhead slighlty close and puts the clubhead in perfect position to strike it with sweet spot (near heel) with a clubface that looks way too open. He said I will be striking the ball from that position and that is when dual horizontal hinge action takes over to close the clubface through impact and send the ball straight.

He called me this morning to find out how I was doing and when I told him that things were coming along but over half of my shots were pushing to the right, he told me to study and practice dual horizontal hinge action.

I will ask him your questions when I talk to him next.

Ask yourself these questions. I wouldn't ask him unless you want a fight. I don't know if you're a Right Arm Swinger but that would be very unusual.

That's great of him to call. I like him already.

Do you notice that with shorter clubs that you don't push the Ball and with longer clubs you do?

greyguy 06-02-2009 03:55 PM

"Ask yourself these questions. I wouldn't ask him unless you want a fight. I don't know if you're a Right Arm Swinger but that would be very unusual."

Good Point..Thanks. The instructor and I have a better than a typical golfer/instructor because I knew him 35 years ago and he got me into one of Homers' first classes in Seattle. I didn't realize at the time how important Mr. Kelly would become in the golf community. I didn't have the sense to stick with it because I couldn't understand how to establish clubhead lag.
Now I finally get it.
As to your question about pushing; I noticed that I was pushing my 7 iron as well as longer clubs. Not so much with wedges.

Daryl 06-02-2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by greyguy (Post 64651)
"Ask yourself these questions. I wouldn't ask him unless you want a fight. I don't know if you're a Right Arm Swinger but that would be very unusual."

Good Point..Thanks. The instructor and I have a better than a typical golfer/instructor because I knew him 35 years ago and he got me into one of Homers' first classes in Seattle. I didn't realize at the time how important Mr. Kelly would become in the golf community. I didn't have the sense to stick with it because I couldn't understand how to establish clubhead lag.
Now I finally get it.
As to your question about pushing; I noticed that I was pushing my 7 iron as well as longer clubs. Not so much with wedges.

Wow, you have a very interesting History. You're going to have to tell us more about those classes. I'm still learning Lag. It's so easy to talk about, so much harder to do it.

Are you using the same amount of Right Wrist Bend and Perfectly Flat Left Wrist for All of your Clubs? That might be why you're pushing/or Fading your longer Clubs. You run out of Swivel before you swivel.

Try this experiment. At the top of your Swing, ARCH your left Wrist (Pre-Swivelled) and see if the Ball goes straight. If it does, then I guessed correctly by saying that you have too much Right Wrist Bend for the Longer Clubs.

greyguy 06-02-2009 11:18 PM

This is what works for me regarding clubhead lag. At address I feel pressure on pp#3 on the first pad of my trigger finger on the aft of the grip. At the end of my backswing the pressure on pp#3 shifts to the crease of the knuckle towards the palm of my hand. Then as I get almost into impact I can feel the pressure point move out towards the 2nd crease (knuckle) out towards the end of my trigger finger.

I played very well today (only hit one poor drive). My swing thought was to throw my wrists (allowing the uncocking of my left wrist) out towards the inside quadrant of the ball, keeping
the relationship of my arched left wrist facing down to the ground on top of the right hand which is facing up towards the sky. There is a feeling of throwing out across the target line.
Is that using a wrist throw as a trigger? Just wondering if I am on the right track. It sure seems to be working.

Daryl 06-03-2009 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by greyguy (Post 64667)
This is what works for me regarding clubhead lag. At address I feel pressure on pp#3 on the first pad of my trigger finger on the aft of the grip. At the end of my backswing the pressure on pp#3 shifts to the crease of the knuckle towards the palm of my hand. Then as I get almost into impact I can feel the pressure point move out towards the 2nd crease (knuckle) out towards the end of my trigger finger.

I played very well today (only hit one poor drive). My swing thought was to throw my wrists (allowing the uncocking of my left wrist) out towards the inside quadrant of the ball, keeping
the relationship of my arched left wrist facing down to the ground on top of the right hand which is facing up towards the sky. There is a feeling of throwing out across the target line.
Is that using a wrist throw as a trigger? Just wondering if I am on the right track. It sure seems to be working.

It sounds correct. Hopefully the "Wrist Throw" starts at release. If the Throw starts at the Top of your swing its a "Hand Throw". But then your swing would feel like a big circle and that doesn't sound like what you're doing. So, I think you're fine.

Delaware Golf 06-04-2009 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by greyguy (Post 64667)
This is what works for me regarding clubhead lag. At address I feel pressure on pp#3 on the first pad of my trigger finger on the aft of the grip. At the end of my backswing the pressure on pp#3 shifts to the crease of the knuckle towards the palm of my hand. Then as I get almost into impact I can feel the pressure point move out towards the 2nd crease (knuckle) out towards the end of my trigger finger.

I played very well today (only hit one poor drive). My swing thought was to throw my wrists (allowing the uncocking of my left wrist) out towards the inside quadrant of the ball, keeping
the relationship of my arched left wrist facing down to the ground on top of the right hand which is facing up towards the sky. There is a feeling of throwing out across the target line.
Is that using a wrist throw as a trigger? Just wondering if I am on the right track. It sure seems to be working.


No...you're using a right arm trigger!!! Check out any text by Sam Snead....Sam uses a wrist throw trigger.

DG

greyguy 06-04-2009 09:29 PM

I don't have access to any of Sam Sneads swing comments. Please explain why what I said isn't a wrist throw trigger.

greyguy 06-06-2009 02:59 PM

I have been told that one can let the right wrist flatten after impact if you swing with the right arm as opposed to keeping it bent with a left arm swinger.
If that is true then the challenge, would seem to me, to make sure that it doesn't straighten until after impact.

Daryl 06-06-2009 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by greyguy (Post 64756)
I have been told that one can let the right wrist flatten after impact if you swing with the right arm as opposed to keeping it bent with a left arm swinger.
If that is true then the challenge, would seem to me, to make sure that it doesn't straighten until after impact.

That's correct. Set-up with the correct amount of Left Wrist Bend and Right Wrist Bend for the Club Choice. Maintain that degree of Left Wrist Bend Throughout the Swing.

greyguy 06-09-2009 12:40 PM

A quick update.
I have been playing much better since I have gone back to swinging. (hitting the ball longer off the tee and a higher trajectory into the green).
I have been playing golf trying to follow 12-2-0 (basic pattern for swingers) concentrating on drag loading, top arc and straight line delivery path with automatic snap release.
The results are generally good except that about 45% are pushed to the right some degree with only about 10% pulled left. Almost half are straight.
I adjust ball position instead of changing aim point.
My question is: If some of the problem is not having a good horizontal hinge action how do I train that in to my automatic release?
Thanks

Daryl 06-09-2009 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by greyguy (Post 64840)
A quick update.
I have been playing much better since I have gone back to swinging. (hitting the ball longer off the tee and a higher trajectory into the green).
I have been playing golf trying to follow 12-2-0 (basic pattern for swingers) concentrating on drag loading, top arc and straight line delivery path with automatic snap release.
The results are generally good except that about 45% are pushed to the right some degree with only about 10% pulled left. Almost half are straight.
I adjust ball position instead of changing aim point.
My question is: If some of the problem is not having a good horizontal hinge action how do I train that in to my automatic release?
Thanks

How do you know if you have a Hinge?

Take a look at this video and tell us if this is how you swing the Club. If you haven't seen it before, then watch it a couple of times. It's the Horizontal Hinge.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...sh-Swivel.html

greyguy 06-10-2009 01:26 PM

Thank you for linking that video. I watched it twice and plan to watch it again.

I popped in on my TGM instructor yesterday (my grandsons graduation ceremony was close by) and we just sat down together and discussed Homer Kelly and his book. (I had prepared several questions that dealt with parts of the book that I couldn't wrap my brain around. ie 7-3- Right forearm alignment)

He showed me the diffence between dual horizontal hinge action and angled hinge action. He showed me that the left wrist rolls to verticle to the plane through impact.

He also worked with me on how the right forearm is in line with the clubshaft at the end of the backswing with a flying right elbow. (7-3) That is going to take some work getting into that position.


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