Is hitting more back friendly?
 

Hello guys,

Does anyone know if hitting tends to be a little esier on the back than swinging?

Thanks

hitters back
 

Colts,Iwent to hitters pattern for that very reason,I have a back problem but since I changed to a hitter I have been able to even practice longer and harder without pain,works for me....hope this helps you...cheers

I think it is. Plus you will hit more fairways and greens. The only downside is you will probably hit it shorter than with swinging.

I lost some d when I was experimenting with hitting for a summer.

lost distance
 

I found the opposite,but my swingers P was probably off the mark,but what you lose in distance is made up for in accuracy IMO

Thanks guys, thats kind of what I thought might be the concensus. Ive been on the shelf w/ spasms and in slowly getting back Ive found that a short rt arm thrust (basic pattern) has been easier than pulling the left side through.

Back Friendly Patterns
 

It really depends on what causes the back problems. I have degeneration in L4-L5. I have sciatica pain with just a few swings. I have developed a swing pattern that I use now that allows me to play golf most of the time with little sciatica pain. I would suggest trying different swinging and hitting patterns and I am sure you will find one that works for you without back problems.

thanks Hitter. Mine is usually L5 but luckily w/ no sciatica. This time I pulled a back muscle which ignited a bad case of spasms.

Axis Tilt
 

You can also reduce the amount of axis tilt in your swing. This will help most of the time.

John, Do hitters use about the same amount of axis tilt as swingers?

thanks

Down swing path has more to do with axis tilt than swinging or hitting. So to answer your question no.

Mine is C5-C6 so the downforce of swinging can be tough if I don't stretch, lift and exercise. I wouldn't know about lower back, but with hitting, I had less lower body rotation.

I think it also depends on your swinging pattern. I had back problems at 15 years old due to the craze of fixing the right knee, having very minimal hip turn and a large shoulder turn and then spinning the hips very fast on the downswing. Very hard on the back.

Now i let the right leg straighten, the right hip turn out the way and allow the left knee and foot to be naturally pulled across. I combine this with a free armswing and i still have power but i'm not putting nearly as much strain on my body.

Danny,

sounds like a Snead type pattern, and he played pain free his whole life....

I think Hitting is easier on the back because hitters are always teeing up last so they have more time to rest. :laughing9

ouch....Ted may have something to say about that:naughty:

Isn't there less hip hula hula (rotation) in the hitting procedure ? If yes, then the result should be less strain on the back.

K,
thats what I was thinking too. Been using VJ Trolio's rendition of Hogan's pivot and its very rotational.(after the slide) Cant do it right now becasue of the back.

The True Golf Motion 3-D swing pattern
 

The True Golf Motion 3-D swing pattern I developed uses both hitting and swinging components. The pivot is rotational motion with little axis tilt. Weight is centered on the back swing and moves slightly left on the down swing. The back swing hand position is the top. The True Golf Motion 3-D Swing Pattern takes advantage of both pivot rotational and right arm thrust power and does not put stress on the back or shoulder joints. It is a breath of fresh air for golfers with back and shoulder problems.

is this the 'hammer" motion on your site? No rt arm extensor action from what I recall. Heard some people getting it out there w/ the pattern. What PA's are you using, 4 barrel?

According to Tommy T . . . hitting is bad on the back . . .

No this is not the Hammer Swing Pattern. It is a 4 barrel pattern right out of TGM book.

To Better Golf,



John W Rohan-Weaver GSEM

hey Bucket,

Did TT say why it was harder on back?

Apparently he didnt have a full understanding of the hitting procedure saying it was "powerless effort" and shorter on distance than swinging.


dunno, those balls Ted hits sure tell a different story:laughing9

It's actually not long after that statement was made that Mr. Kelley passed. Don't mean to imply there was a connection but I'm quite sure that Mr. Kelley WOULD NOT agree. I'm mean he was a lil' bitty Mr. Magoo looking dude and he was a self-described Hitting afficionado.

So far I'm finding hitting to be much easier on my body... now that I've said it, I'm probably doing it incorrectly or my back will go out tomorrow... :laughing9

Kevin

Bucket, good stuff I didnt know hitting was "the mans" preference.....

Kev,

I shot you a question at Iseek, are you mixing the VJ pivot w/ a hitting procedure?

Thanks

I didn't make the connection ColtsFan. I answered over there as well. Yes, I'm definitely hitting, and need a pattern that helps me keep from staying on my right side. I'm messing with Trolio's "secret", which I think is a wonderful component whether you think it's Hogan's secret or not. I'm also trying to figure out Mr. Gay's pattern, magic of the right forearm rocks, and I'm sort of blending his motion with Trolios hip component along with a lot of what I've learned from S&T to stay left and not get stuck on the right side.

I might be making a mess, but I'm having fun and excited about playing the game again!

Kevin

exactly what Im doing now..I would very happy w/ Brian's pattern 265 down the middle every time would win me some Nassua's.

Love the heavy feeling of hitting and possible less stress on the back. Staying behind the ball w/ a steady head, while you make that lateral toward the target on your BS is tricky. My head wants to move in front of the ball:naughty:
The good part is if you do it right all you have to do is turn. PM me some time on your progress.

I may get "Alligment Golf" too to supplemnt the Brian Gay video he did w/ Lynn.

ColtsFan. I LOVE the Brian Gay video, and watch it constantly, but Alignment Golf is by far the best money I have ever spent on learning golf and G.O.L.F. Please get it, you will LOVE it, and TGM will make so much more sense!

Kevin

Kev,

thanks for the reccomendation, I will order it today. I have yet to here a bad review.

Do they touch on both hitting and swinging, also is the pivot covered?

Everything is touched on, but you learn everything you ever wanted to know about impact alignments and hinge actions. There are some great drills that touch on every part of the swing. Here is a wonderful tutorial on hitting from a fellow LBG member.

http://www.golflagtips.com/hitting-v...art-3-hitting/

Kevin

cool, that is a great site. I have spend some time reading this over. Im ordering the Allignment Golf Vid as we speak.

thanks again Kev

The biggest snare I am finding with my Trolio hip motion is that sometimes when I concentrate on it too early, I forget to take the club back and IN. Too much back, not getting the club on my turned shoulder plane behind me, and I throw it away like a son-of-a-gun! I have to keep educating my hands to start back and IN then let the hips start working towards the target.

What do you think? Sound at all familiar?

I'm off to work, may be awhile before I can log back in. Enjoying the conversation too much, I'm late! :)

Kevin

hands action
 

Kev,how are mate,I hope you are well,I have been watching this post and Im a tad concerned you are getting bogged down with possibly "too much info",
re youre comment on the hip motion and hands take-away etc,I would be more inclined to concentrate on the forearm takeaway,getting that right will bring a few other aspects "along for a ride",ie hips,and pivot.
If you developed a good solid takeaway procedure with R/forearm,guess what,the pivot will come along without you trying and will only do what your plane will allow it to do.
In essence,forget pivot,and hands to a certain degree as they will follow the forearm takeaway,as a matter of interest are you fanning on the takeaway.
cheers B

brownman,

You are absolutely correct, I'm trying to do too much too fast, along with not working with an instructor who understands Mr. Kelley's work. Like many others I see, I am so excited about this new world of G.O.L.F. that I am going many directions at once.

I spent the day yesterday working on hand path. I was working hard at making sure the right forearm was taking the club back, in, and up, with emphasis of getting the in properly.

Funny, I found just what you are saying, the pivot started taking care of itself when the magic of the right forearm kept the club on plane, rather than covering the target line, huge difference. I did some drills with P and Bs system of setting clubs on the hand path, combined with Ted Fort's visualization of the clubhead delivery path. These ideas are in Ted's address video. Just as you say, the pivot started taking care of itself. Fanning MUST be done to get the club in and on plane. I was missing that at first, and it is HUGE.

On one hand all the information at once is slowing my progress as a player, but I am learning so any new ways to help my students. I need to start working with a teacher on my own swing to help insure I am working on what really matters.

Thanks my friend for the great advise!

Kevin