Lee Trevino on wedge play
 

Lee Buck Trevino was without doubt one of the greatest with a wedge. Here he is explaining his methods. TGM followers will notice some familiar concepts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5J43wMQXZ4

Enjoy
ob

AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME.

Thanks OB!

Kevin

Amazing divots with vertical hinging too!

sweet ...........

Swinging left
 

He is "swinging left" on these shots. But is the "swinging left" release in the book?

Ive always wondered.

ob


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Homer on Trevino
 

Here is a screen capture from my files.

Included are some Yoda thoughts on "down" etc. Very good stuff.


ob




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Merry-Go-Round
 

Release and Impact (assuming the Ball located prior to Low Point) are "swinging right". Follow-Through and Finish are "swinging left".

Per 1-L #13, the Club moves "down and out" to Low Point. Thereafter, per 1-L #15, it moves "up and in". In both instances, per 1-L #9, it is simply moving in a circle.

Fortunately, to accomplish the above, all you have to do is keep your Head Stationary and point the Clubshaft/Sweetspot/Lag Pressure at the Straight Plane Line (1-L #6, 2-0/B #3 and 2-N-0).

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this is a very interesting topic. Lee Buck was h-e-double-hockey-sticks on wheels with the short irons. I'm not sure that he would be as effective today considering the way the courses are set up with the longer clubs. According to his book he aimed the face LEFT and then tried to loop under and hit a pushy cut. That in conjunction with the turned left hand goes will with not "releasing the face" as he talks about in the video. So basically he had to get a bunch of shaft lean to A) get the face open so he didn't hit snipes and B) so he didn't have the face rotating shut and pulling the ball left. 10-2-D grips require NO ROLLING UNTIL AFTER SEPARATION. Any rolling with a face looking left and turned grip ='s snipe hook city. All that lean is great for hitting short clubs and low shots but not so much with 5 iron and up. I just wonder if he knew about Mr. Kelley's idea of taking the grip at Fix if he could have took some of that shaft lean requirement out and hit the long irons up in the air more?

He was one of the first, I remember anyways ,with a high lofted fairway wood. A little seven wood if memory serves me. He'd have a bag full of rescue clubs today probably.

I saw him play at the Canadian Open back in the 70's he'd hit his drivers so low, they'd whistle as they passed you, climb steadily and fall off to the right. I remember my mom saying they looked a jet taking off. On one hole he kicked up a grass tee, like an old time place kick in school yard football, and hit a driver, knuckle ball. He was a shot maker to the extreme. I was one of Lee's Flees back then. He'd talk to anyone, anytime, to himself didnt matter. People loved him.

So was he angled hinging? Im seeing him stopping at top too if you know where Im going. Not a lot of left wrist cock with that bowed wrist. Lots of thrust with that right arm?

I love this photo of him at impact with a driver that Bucket posted a while back. Look at that right forearm pointing way way down the line! That bent right wrist! That is one awesome RFFW.

Im wondering if that bowed left wrist he displayed in the video (the flat left wrist with an hefty insurance policy on it) while great at impact for short shots caused him fits when he took it (still bowed) to top with a long club? The loop, push being his compensating move? Do you think that is the main consideration in the evolution of his action? The bow in response to the hardpan and winds of his Texas golf course?

ob

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Here are some more photos this time with a longer iron. You'll note in the down the line frames 10 and 11, that he has released the club more down the line and is not "swinging left" as he does with his shorter shots. His right wrist angle has straightened out a little due to the heavier forces upon it maybe?

Im still wondering about these releases but maybe this is best left for its own thread. I do however remember him saying once after he hit a short iron slightly long, "Ahh, over released it".

He is a master. Enjoy.

ob

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So would it be right to think of the "hold off" or "swinging left" on display in Lee's wedge shots as simply angled or vertical hinging with its shorter associated travel length for the clubhead?

In other words are the different "releases" of common golf speak what we here would simply call hinge action? The full down the line release being horizontal hinging etc. Or is there more to it?

ob

OB,

Is he swinging left, or swinging up the plane line that he has set up left of the target?

Kevin

"Swinging left" as I understand it anyways, doesnt really mean you swing on a plane line bent to the left. Its more the feeling associated with a maintenance of the bend in the right hand and a hold off of the club as the club head and HANDS travel up and in post low point. Its this feeling of the hands going "in" or left that is being referred to in "swinging left". Arguably a terrible name given that the golfing world is already plagued with cross line, out to in swing paths, "roundhousing".

The MORAD fella's have their CF and CP releases, other teachers have their "swinging level left" release vs a "down the line release". Im wondering if this is just really different hinge actions with their various clubhead travel distances at both arms straight?

Any ideas?

ob

just love those sequences of Lee, thanks OB

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OB,

I'm not sure that I am a believer in the "swing left" deal. I believe in the Plane that Mr. Kelley describes...

I have always been a staller, slinger, flipper. My clubhead stayed on my target line far to long as it flipped through impact. To me, getting the club back on the plane at follow through and into finish "feels" like swinging left, but is really just traveling back up the plane rather than steering.

Might just be a personal problem. :)

I don't care for the thought of "swinging left" I still believe the club needs to travel down-out-forward to follow through, then head back up the plane. I believe Mr. Trevino's plane was just aligned left.

Right or wrong, did I just make any sense?

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Kevin

Agreed. Me too. The plane and the flat left wrist still rule for sure.

The "swinging or releasing left" thing is so horribly named it makes it hard to discuss without thinking of a cross line swing path or left alignment. And why name something after a "feel" of the hands going left anyways? Maybe I have it all wrong. But the move itself does work nicely for less than full powered shots.

Im just wondering if these various "releases" are simply different hinge actions? A held off 7 iron is really just angled hinging? A down the line full release with a driver is horizontal hinging , plane and simple. A Trevino like cut off , held off wedge shot is angled hinging with a lot of lag pressure and a brisk pace. Not sure if hitting and swinging would make a difference beyond their normal associated hinge action.



ob

Great questions OB. I think you and I are stuck in the same place. Hopefully one of the big guns will help us out with this... :salut:

Kevin

The Pride and the Passion
 

One "Big Gun" is already here, and he has things under control.

Thanks, O.B.!

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Kev

I dont know how you hacked into Yoda's computer but thank you.

Further divine inspiration has allowed me to see that Mr Trevino is not swiveling back onto the inclined plane for these angled hinging wedge shots.

Ill keep you posted should I have another vision.

Thanks O.B.

I was no help, you had it all along. When (and if) we are as sharp as Yoda, maybe we will trust ourselves... You helped me, again! :)

I appreciate your posts my friend!

Kevin

Calling all TGM shotmakers
 

When Trevino is hitting these approach shots he would appear to hold off his finish swivel back onto the plane. An apparent off plane move where neither end of the club is pointing at the plane line (albeit only at this point in the swing long after the ball is gone, having traced the plane all the way to the horizon line) All good golfers do this at times. Tiger, Hogan etc.

What should we TGM adherents make of this? Is this a "Special Procedure" at the expense of the plane line? Angled Hinging with an intentional under swivel? What is gained and what is ventured? Is it worth it? When and why do you do it?

ob

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Hmmmm
 

Compensation, insurance against the hook? I wonder why this would be needed if the club shaft is on plane with proper hinge action?

Another interesting question O.B.!

Kevin

Ah Kev. I can spot a "playa" when I read one. You aint getting any strokes off of me ever. EVER. EEEH VER.

I know when I started to do the hold offs.......when I started recognizing a pull tendency when I put the ball well back in my stance for a low shot. But now, thanks be to Yoda (tbtY) I know why that was happening and know the PROPER correction to make.

With the ball well back of low point there is more OUT and down to be had through the ball. A cross line angle of attack needed for the straight shot. A pull resulting from a square clubhead path through the ball. So hit out when the ball is back in the stance. The hold off was not effective for me in that situation. Now I know why.

But what is going on with these other hold off shotmaking artists? They must have good reason.

ob

Trevino's Acquired Motion Cut Shot
 

Lee Trevino is simply executing a Cut Shot using Aquired Motion.

A Cut Shot -- by definition -- is any shot utilizing Vertical Hinge Action through Impact (2-C-3; 2-G and 10-10-E). This means a 'No Roll' of the Clubface (Square / Layback Only) and a 'Reverse Roll' Feel in the Hands. Lee Turns his Left Hand to Plane in the Grip, a procedure "very compatible with Cut Shots" (10-2-D), and this makes it easy to stay 'Left Palm down to the ground' in the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position / 8-11).

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In the posted photo, Lee's Thrust has been Downplane to the end of the Follow-Through and only Momentum carries him to his subconsciously pre-determined Acquired Motion Finish (Right Forearm level to the ground / 12-5-2).

Hogan and Woods are doing essentially the same thing, but with different Grips and a more full Finish. Note the Clubface Layback in both photos.

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Thanks Yoda. Only TGM could be so descriptive.

ob

Yep . . . . with that Trevino grip . . . . better not roll until the ball is well on its way.