extensor action takeaway
 

I have always admired Yoda's takeaway and dearly want to crack its code. He has said he personally admired and cracked Billy Caspers takeaway, so I mention this in the highest form of flattery manner.

In the very, very good Brian Gay premium video, Yoda talks about Extensor Action takeaway. In which the #3 pressure point (as opposed to #1) takes the flat right/bend left wrist of adjusted address to a bent right/flat left impact hands condition, with the flying wedges established. This is part of the lagging takeaway procedure normally associated with a swingers motion.

He uses his #3 to sort of snap the hands into their impact condition with the clubhead making its way back ,up and in while the shoulders and left hand stay relatively still. This is in stark contrast to the push away of the hands by the rocking shoulders as in the old "rock the triangle" type deal.

My question is this. Is that solely an extensor action on display there or is there a little fanning and bending of the right arm and elbow too? Didnt I read that extensor action shouldnt take the club away? Im thinking there must be some fanning and bending too, but not sure.

What ever it is its beautiful. Makes we want to go back to swinging.

OB

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I don't have the answer, but I agree, it's a beautiful thing. Did you notice that this week at Hawaii Brian Gay switched to the mid body hands address position, and used the straight right wrist takeaway that Yoda was teaching him in the video? Cool stuff. A little added bump for this thread, I would love to hear YODA's response!

Kevin

I missed it, that's a surprise!

Was he still thrusting? Hard to tell I know.

Ok I just watched the Brian Gay premium video again for the second time today (bought it this morning, man he has a nice simple action and Yoda is on fire too)

Also reread 6-B-D-1 Which states that Extensor action stretches but does not move the left arm. Also when EA is applied via pp #3 it pulls the club and left arm in line.

Therefor I was wrong to say that Extensor Action does not take the club back since it is possible to employ it through pp #3 and snap the left wrist flat in a lagging startup without moving the left arm. The clubhead moves but not the left arm. An effective method for short shots, chipping. Didnt Hogan do this? The other method being to start in fix with EA via #1.

But there is a little something to Yodas full swing lagging takeaway that Im still chasing. Maybe this #3 EA relates? Hmmmm

OB

Is Brian's vedio mostly on swinging? For a hitting guy, is it helpful?

Thanks in advance.

In my uneducated opinion, Brian demonstrates both very well in the video even though he is primarily a swinger and appears to not really care for hitting. :) Great video for both types of motions, I learned a lot from it.

Kevin

Here is Casper DTL anyways. Not showing what I was alluding to in the first post but nice all the same.



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Here is Billy Casper from the front view. This is what Im talking about. Lagging takeaway for sure, look at the shaft bend going back! Like he's hitting an impact bag on the backswing.

Also looks like he is clearing his right hip. Maybe getting left a little too! Is nothing new anymore?

But the thing Im really wondering about is the fast snap of the wrists into the impact hands position. Beautiful. Is this extensor action via pp#3 doing this with some RFT fanning and bending too? Or EA with #3 and then rft SEQUENTIALLY? I guess it must be since extensor action does not move the left arm and the hands seem to stay put for a bit there. Or is there something else going on?

Nice whatever the heck it is. Swinging early.

ob

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Do little green guys have their secrets too?
 

Here's Yoda hitting a little acquired motion shot here. He's starting from fix, so not so much in the way of lagging takeaway here. You'd see that on longer shots though were he starts from adjusted.

But still there is something I cant quite articulate that is so great. Like the clubhead appears to moving the hands almost? The club head is swinging early? The hands are kind of still but the clubhead is moving? It cant be hand action, thats for sure!!! It is the antithesis of "rock the rigid triangle", one side is shortening/bending thats for sure.

Is it extensor action via #3? An rft with the #3 pressure point on the right index finger tip, pulling? Something going on with the pressure points Im thinking. He feels it.

He knows, he said he cracked Casper's takeaway. Its beautiful, but what the heck is it.....what is he doing?

ob

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I think it's just Yoda's plain Jane (but brilliant) good old RFT as per he teaches day in day out.

Yoda's motion is just incredible IMO. I could watch that driver video all day. I'd love to see him put up a load of footage of himself hitting various shots from various angles, including driver, full irons and 3/4 wedges. I had never seen a swing anything like his prior to seeing it for the first time.

I agree 100% The closest study I have found for picking up some of the concepts is the Brian Gay video. Yoda lets us in on a lot of secrets, but still, it's not quite the same. We need a Yoda secret thread. There is something about his weight staying left and the stationary head on the back stroke. I love it! I want to say Trolio is close, but a little more movement in Trolio's beautiful action.

I would love to see the 24 components of Yodas swing for study...

Kevin

I hear you Kev, very definitely mate.

the Green one is teasing us here. Secrets in the sauce.
 

For sure RFT, extensor action etc but there is something special in that sauce.

I got a feeling Yoda is sitting there going "warm , warmer, hot , very hot, not so hot.....cold"

What I am struggling to articulate is from adjusted address , lagging takeaway:

-the left arm stays put
-the wrists snap into their impact alignments
-then there is a little turn in the left wrist a little left wrist cocking maybe.

But even from fix he's got a little of it.

Extensor action takeaway , using #3 pressure point to stretch the clubshaft on the line of the left arm, could do this. But it is a short shot, chipping technique from adjusted. Not so common anymore, most people chipping from fix. In this procedure the right elbow is anchored. But I dont think this is it anymore. He says he employs EA via the #1 pp.

So how bout this:
-from adjusted with extensor action turned off
-he turns on extensor action via #1 pressure point
-then sequentially, RFT but with an early break in the right elbow. Im thinking RFT being fanning and bending, an extra dash of bending early in that sauce would do what Im seeing. Fanning moving the left arm , bending less so? Bending could turn the left wrist too, I think. And give a little cock of the left wrist.

How bout that? Hot , cold, warm, very very hot, "your crazy" ?

Yoda, please please please please. Is it the right elbow bending early?

ob

Or does it show something? Look at Caspers right elbow bending, steadily, constantly, from the very start.

ob

Here is Mr Caspers very impressive record.

ob


http://www.billycaspergolf.com/bcasp...=127&page=2075

Casper
 

Right forearm not on plane as Lynn's is with the driver.

Nice observation and an important alignment to adopt with every club, putter to driver. The on plane right forearm being perhaps the only give away, I know of, to a traditionally trained TGM golfer. Although some golfers like Hogan did it naturally. There may come a day when we see most people doing this at address. It is that beneficial in my estimation.

In my first lesson with Yoda we spent the better part of the morning on just this alignment. When I finally got it...it was harder for me than usual, I said something like "few, that took a while". To which Yoda responded, "and that may be all that you need to achieve your goals in golf".

I mention this only to illustrate how much importance Yoda attaches to the on plane right forearm at address. My guess is Brian Gay would probably agree. It is a mechanical alignment pure and simple, the vertical wall holds a weight better than an angled wall. You must get there at impact so why not start there at address? Short shots, especially, are so much easier without the necessary changes/adjustments required to make up for an off plane right forearm over such a short swing.

I came to LBG and Lynn with a knowledge, garnered over years of golf, of the necessity for a bent right wrist at impact. I hit a lot of little chips with just my right hand on the club. In my first few hours with Lynn he told me of three other necessary, mission critical components. This absolutely blew me away. I had been feeling pretty good about my one little discovery and now I had a total of four!!! Since then he has added a few more too. This guy is good!

What were they? (when chipping with just the right hand or not):
-bent and frozen right wrist (the other side to the flat left)
-the on plane right forearm
-tracing the straight plane line
-the nursing of the lag pressure sensed in the #3 pressure point.

If you achieve all of these, your one handed chipping and impact will be very good. One handed pitching too if you add the on plane right shoulder bringing the fully bent right arm to release. That makes it five! And counting.

ob

Right Forearm Alignment: Address vs. Impact
 

At Address, I do not demand a precise 'On Plane' Right Forearm. When I'm standing behind my player, for any given Plane Line, I'm happy when I see about half the Left Forearm above the Right Forearm. I know that the correct Downstroke Pivot will produce more Right Elbow bend at Impact, and that will produce the exact On Plane alignment.

A good example is Paul Casey, who today just won his semi-final match in the WGC-Accenture Match Play. The Right Forearm and Clubshaft are not quite 'In Line' at Address; nevertheless, the Right Forearm is clearly beneath the Left. If I were teaching him -- or you :smile: -- and wanted to emphasize the correctness of this alignment, I would hold a club by the head-end and place the shaft in the 'crook' of the Right Elbow and touch the mid-point of the Left Forearm with the grip-end.

The Downstroke Hip Action will lower the Right Shoulder and increase the Address Position bend in the Right Elbow. This, in turn, will enable the On Plane Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger) Tracing of the Plane Line through Impact.

All this said, when the student clearly favors Hitting, I want the Right Forearm dead-on-the-money at Address. Visualize Arnold Palmer, arguably the most famous Hitter of all time, and you've got the picture.

:)

Arnie liked his RFFW. If he lost it momentarily in the finish swivel, he really tried to get it back quickly.

Maybe not so darn pretty but pretty darn effective.

ob



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