LYNN BLAKE/HOMER KELLEY Time Line
 

YODA,

Since your one of a few who had contact with Homer Kelley. Can you give us a time line of contacts you had with Homer Kelley by phone/in person meetings/masterclass and the content of those meetings. If Tom Tomasello was alive today, I would ask him to do the same thing!!!

For example

XX/XX/1981 -Tom Tomasello/Lynn Blake phone conversation - blah blah....

XX/XX/1982 - Masterclass.

DG

Wow...what a request!
 

With all due respect DG I would suggest that the burden of proof is on you, not Yoda. Although I would be thrilled to read a detailed reply to your questions! This pot does not need additional stirring but I was born with a silver one!

DG,

To what interest?

Time for a Change
 

DG,

Yoda's time-line is well documented on this forum if you care to do the research. I am sure you could provide a time-line of your own regarding your encounter with A.J. Tomasello. But, I guarantee that your time-line would begin after Valentine's Day 1983, the day Tomasello and Mr. Kelley were on stage making a presentation to the Georgia PGA. That was the day Mr. Kelley passed away during the presentation. Up until that time, Tomasello taught right out of the book. Although, he thought if you used a Hitters motion, you would end up with a bad back and suggested it should be avoided. That said, he did not teach the way he taught you until well after Mr. Kelley's death. Draw your own conclusion.

HK / LB Timeline
 

As usual, DG, you've got it all wrong.

Actually, it was:

XX/XX/1980 -- HK/TT/LB phone conversation -- blah blah (recorded and now widely distributed over the Internet (by others without permission, not by me) . . .

XX/XX/1980 X 4 -- HK/LB phone conversations -- more blah blah.

XX/XX/1981 X 7 -- HK/LB phone conversations -- More blah blah.

01/11-15/1982 - Masterclass.

XX/XX/1982 -- HK/LB phone conversations X 4 (or maybe 14, can't remember!) -- More blah blah.

January 1983 -- HK/LB phone conversation (discussed his upcoming speaking trip to Georgia and invitation to the upcoming school in SC). Then, some blah, blah . . .

February 14, 1983 -- Homer's death in Macon, Georgia at the Georgia PGA Section's Annual Meeting. The next day, my club professional, John Gerring, personally hands me a tape of the last hours.

No more 'blah blah'.

:(

Not all wrong, I got the masterclass time frame right....with my initial message I was attempting to give you a format to follow not exact dates.

DG

Who Are You???
 

And who are you? And how did Tommy teach before Homer's death? What makes you such an authority? Hitting should be avoided??? That's insane....Tommy had a three day school devoted to hitting (3 day swinging school, 3 day hitting school and a 3 day advanced school for shot making with the swinging and hitting procedures). He told me on the driving range at Deer Track (1993)...."if you want to get this game in your hip pocket, you have to learn both swinging and hitting". Thank god, I made recordings of my instruction.

Funny thing....Tommy taught out of the book when I studied with him in 1993.....in the 12 DVD set he's teaching out of the book, in fact, I bought another copy of the 7th edition to follow his instruction and make notes. I'm having a hard time following your comments above...

I'm surprised through all of the exchanges about Tomasello's instruction you didn't make the above comments much earlier?

DG

Delabeware
 

What is eating you DG? This topic has been alive for quite sometime, and you have never resorted to suggesting that our host is unqualified! And no...I never studied with ANYONE, but I have cleaned out a wallet or two in my time!

It seems as though you are one post away from postal! What is the point? You have been a great contributor to this site, but now it seems you want to take your magic right forearm and go home! If you are still perusing Yoda's resume...then well...you are confused!

Going postal (that's silly)...sorry, I'm only here to seek the truth. I'm not here to waste my time. My guess is you didn't get the 12 DVD set.


It's the 12 DVD set and DVD #10 (that DVD has opened a huge can of worms)....completely different instruction then what's being taught on this site especially how Tommy taught section 10-20. I believe Jodie Mudd could answer a lot of my questions....I believe Jodie's on DVD 5 and 6 going through the way he swings the club. The way he is describing his downswing it appears he is using 10-20-C as Tommy describes on DVD #10 (right shoulder starting the downstroke). Not for one minute/one second do I feel/believe that Tommy deviated from the book. In fact, I would like to believe both Lynn and Tommy are correct, that you do in fact have options.

DG

moveon.org?
 

From my reading it would seem that the respective points of view appear to be mutually exclusive...so somebody is wrong! Wrong at least in their desciption of what is going on...not on the effectiveness of the actual pattern. I agree with Yoda (in as much as I can understand his sense of things, yet Tom Tomasello is not one bit diminished in my eyes. It would seem that this particular horse has been flogged to glue!

I'll answer that for DrewitGolf- He was DG until your attorney called him- since then he's changed his name to DrewitGolf, or Drew A Planeline, or .... hell - good question - who is this guy? Reminds me of a line from "The Who".

I object!
 

An attempt at levity. I cancelled my order when I caught wind of the copyright controversy etc. I have however read with great care and diligence the interaction between you and notable others concerning this topic. If you consider yourself Mr. Tomasello's advocate and TGM is the Treatise on the Law of Evidences then you have met your Johnny Cochran much like Napoleon met his Waterloo! Again, an attempt at levity. :laughing9

His Master's Voice
 

And for this, I am forever grateful.

:laughing9

Since You Asked . . .
 

DG,

For openers:

Since 1987, Drew Chapman has been the Head PGA Golf Professional at Highland Country Club in Attleboro, Massachusetts. He has been a PGA Member for over twenty years and is also an Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine.

Drew graduated from nationally-ranked Division 2 Bryant University in 1984, where he teamed with former PGA Tour Player Jim Hallet. He began his golf career as a teaching professional at Fall River Country Club, Fall River, Massachusetts under Head PGA Professional Tom Tetrault, winner of the PGA's Bill Strausbaugh Award and the Golf Digest National Junior Golf Promoter of The Year Award.

After accepting the Head Professional position at Highland CC, Drew went on to become the President, Director of Education and Junior Golf Chairman for the Rhode Island PGA.

But, this brief bio doesn't begin to touch the man that is Drew Chapman.

One day, if your stars align just right, you may be lucky enough to meet him.

DG-- I would ask the same of you. We all know that you are a passionate advocate of TT's teachings, but I have often wondered if you were an amateur like me or a teaching pro. Would you care go elaborate on your own playing/teaching/student history? :)

very impressive. as much because it has not until now been known as the achievements themselves. i like that 'around here' all are treated the same and that you know little about people other than the content of their contributions. it becomes evident quite quickly from minimal perusing that there are a lot of people on this forum that are well worth listening to/reading. may the show go on.

More to be found on Drew here

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/cmps_index.php?page=pros

Cracks me up!
 

...and he is funny in the witty way I like! :salut:

I like it when witty people are funny.

"True Lies"
 

I am "Machineman", Scintillator of Distant Truths and Instant Simplification, but I don't do windows!

A Little Rich or Rich Little
 

I also do magic tricks and impressions. I killed them in Vegas this past weekend with my Johnny Carson impersonation of "Carnack the Magnificant" .

Not Beating a Tom Tom
 

DG,

Tomasello was known as the "Billy Graham" of TGM. His enthusiasm and passion for TGM and his desire to learn and teach created an amicable bond between he and Mr. Kelley. Also, he was one of the "Keepers of the Light" during the dark years after Homer's death.

The comment regarding Hitting were his, not mine. He also added during the presentation, that as Hitters get older they will lose distance, develop back problems, their Hips will hurt and they will have all kinds of disc disorders, if they persist in Hitting. Everyone should be a Swinger like Sam Snead. I am sure these comments took Mr. Kelley by surprise, but we will never know.

I think I've got it....
 

Drew,

With your last two posts you may be helping me to put the pieces together...you're totally making sense in this last post. Why would Tommy say the Hitter would develop back problems....per 2-M-4 where Homer says in the second to last sentence...."Or, as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitter's loaded Power Package so the Clubhead can be endowed with Pivot Speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed."

My arguement now is......for swinging the downstroke should be started with the 10-20 triggers per 10-19-C (longitudinal acceleration....one smooth motion) as described Tom Tomasello on the 12 DVD set. Hitting should be started with the lower body per the sentence from the 2-M-4 while using 10-20-B.....I believe that's what Tommy is saying...you're going to have back problems in time (a lower body starting the downswing puts a lot of stress on the lower back). If you checkout the Ben Hogan vs Sam Snead Wonderful World of Golf Match....both golfers describe how they swing a golf club. Check out Sam I believe he's using 10-20-E as described by Tommy on the 12 DVD set. As Tommy says in the Australia video series....once the hands get above shoulder high, you must start down with the arms....you must connect before activating the hips. Starting to make real sense now....with Hitting the hands shouldn't get above shoulder height...

So it makes sense why Tommy would recommend swinging like Sam Snead instead of Hogan.

For Swinging....
........10-20-C by itself would utilize a passive right arm.
........10-20-D by itself would utilize a passive right arm.
........10-20-E by itself would utilize a passive right arm .
........10-20-B by itself would be the right arm swing per the letter series of videos
........10-20-D combined with 10-20-B muscles of both forearms would give the swinging stroke from the Australia (Chapter series of videos).

With hitting you could really start the club down with the right forearm or the lower body per 10-20-B and 2-M-4.

Add comments to this post: I just watched the Ben Hogan and Sam Snead instruction at the end of (Shell's Wonderful World of Golf)....Sam Snead definitely looks like the swing model for the swinging procedure from the 7th edition to a T(ee). As the credits roll by at the end of the program, the viewer is left with Hogan and Snead hitting one more iron shot....Hogan's stroke looks like the hitting stoke per 12-1-0 and Snead's stroke looks like the model for 12-2-0...this is definitely a video to have in your collection.

DG

Can you make Bucket disappear for me?

If you can make him levitate, call me. :-k

I wonder...I wa, wa ,wa, wa, wonder.
 

I guess not...:crybaby: :crybaby:

Ted....maybe over the weekend.

For starters....Academics

Berklee College of Music (Boston Mass.) - Professional Music and Percussion
Two Engineering degrees (Del. Tech. College)
-Industrial Engineering
-Operations Management
Business Degree (Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania)
Currently working on my CFA designation (Chartered Financial Analyst)

DG

Common Grounds
 

I was at Univ of North Texas Jazz Studies myself (guitar). :)

Excellent...

Is that the program drummer Greg Bissonette (David Lee Roth Band) attended/graduated from? I believe he performed with the 1 o'clock Maynard Ferguson Band!!! Then went on to play with Maynard...

DG

Bissonette was there, along with literally hundreds of other accomplished professional musicians over the years. The band was the One O'Clock Lab Band, part of a 10 band lab band program. 20 piece band based upon the Stan Kenton Band (the Kenton Library with all of his original charts is housed there). Maynard had no association with the school, although, God knows, he recruited dozens of young musicians from the program, as did Woody Herman and other big bands.

Greg's brother, Matt, a bassist, also went to North Texas and toured with Maynard and David Lee Roth.

Both are very active studio musicians today.

Any other questions? I worked for the Jazz Studies Program there for 5 years. :)

The Real Deal
 

As a jazz pianist wannabe, I really enjoyed this, efnef. Thanks!

:salut:

Yeah, but we're waaaay off topic. Sorry about the threadjack.