Hazards of Impact Fix at Start-up and Brian Gay vs Jeff Hull etc.
 

I guess this question is intended for Lynn or Jeff Hull but anyone else is free to share their answers or opinion.

Using swinging, I am currently favoring impact fix at address at this time in my journey because I was having trouble getting the correct alignments at impact. Adjusted address may be better for me one day down the road, but right now I need to feel exactly where I need my hands to be at the critical moment before I take the club away.

Now I reviewed many of the free videos (THANK YOU VERY MUCH !,WHAT A GREAT RESOURCE), especially the "Address Routine" ones where its clearly communicated that the Impact Fix at address is more common for hitting and the problem with using it for swinging (for example, in Jeff Hull's case) is that you may want to find a way to "get the hands to takeover the lead" because if you start from Impact Fix for swinging, it would be more like trying to "push on a rope". So instead, adjusted address is recommended for swinging, at least in general and for Jeff Hull.

Contrasting this, I noticed that in some of the Brian Gay videos (he is a Swinger to the best of my knowledge) he is using (and stated a preference) for Impact Fix at address.

I am pretty sure that, for the most part I employ a RFT move myself for start-up and turn and cock my wrists immediately on start up. Since using Impact Fix at start-up I still have not felt this trying to push on a rope sensation which concerns me, perhaps I am doing something wrong.

So my questions are:

1) What is the difference (if any) between "methods" of takeaway's for Jeff Hull and Brian Gay that discourages one (Hull) from using impact fix while not stopping the other (Gay) ?

2) Are there hazards with Impact Fix at start-up for Swingers - something that I need to watch out for such as too much right wrist bend if there is such a thing ?

3) Does Brian Gay still use Impact Fix start-up or has he switched to adjusted ?

4) Any other notable swingers that use Impact Fix at start-up ?


Thanks in advance for your help and my apologies for all the questions !!

Are you on the level?
 

I am pretty sure that, for the most part I employ a RFT move myself for start-up and turn and cock my wrists immediately on start up. Since using Impact Fix at start-up I still have not felt this trying to push on a rope sensation which concerns me, perhaps I am doing something wrong.



This is possibly a reason why you should favor an impact fix alignment at address. The right wrist should not cock (vertical plane of motion. I supect we all cock it a bit, but I think the less your cock the right wrist the better you will be. Check out Ted Fort's action...not a whole lot of right wrist cocking goin on! If you return to an adjusted address postion (slightly bent left wrist...flatter right wrist) make sure that the hands are still LEVEL! It is one thing to go from bent to flat (left) and flat to bent (right) but something completely different to go from cocked to level (right wrist) Make sense? Homer recommended focusing on Zone 1 (pivot) first, but you don't really "get it" until you understand zone 3! If the hands replace the club, it stand to reason that the hand alignments are primary. The degree to which you cock the right wrist is the degree to which your destroy the right forearm flying wedge...no support for the loading...more fizzle than sizzle!

I like the "swing away" feeling of the start up swivel, but its primary job is to set the correct hand alignments i.e the flying wedges while at the same time it creates a swinging motion. This why you can do without it! I know i did not address your questions specifically, but I hope I have helped. Of course your mentioning the cocking of the wrist could have just been an oversight!

I was more referring to the left wrist cocking at start-up, not the right wrist but I really do appreciate your response ! :) The reason I mentioned this at all was to emphasize my style of my takeaway which uses a very "early wrist set" and whether or not I will run into the "can't push on a rope" problem using this. I think its an RFT that I use, certainly its hand controlled and not pivot controlled at all.


Again thanks for any responses.

early, inbetween late or float, seems more like personnel preference to me as far as the loading is concerned. You said it yourself, style.

An early wrist set is not necessarily the cocking of the left wrist. From adjusted address, an early wrist set is the left going from bent to flat and the right going from flat to bent. You are establishing your Flying Wedges and now you can cock the left with the folding right arm or whenever you like or the up start.

I think Brian is a hitter...

In the video with Yoda- Brian talks about his components and they are define a Swinger. Horizontal Hinge after Horizontal Hinge- When asked about Driving the Right arm and Hitting with an Angled Hinge Action- Brian shakes his head and Lynn explains that he can do the procedure but it is not his "bread and butter."
Swinger or Hitter- the guy produces a sweet Horizontal Hnge thru impact.

Now I'm Confused...
 

Mike, I refer you to this link:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ight=thrusters

Could you elaborate and help clear my confused head?


I apologize for the threadjack.

In the video with Yoda, both are talking about Hinge Action which is ARMS. The above link is about Lower Body Action which is independent of the Arm and Hand Motions. (Zones 2 and 3). I'll let Lynn shed more light on this- he knows him best but I stand by my comments reporting on the video and their thoughts about Angle Hinge Hitting.

Still would appreciate help
 

I can take the threadjack, I will only cry a little bit :crybaby: but I would still really be interested in an answer to my four (4) questions above if Lynn has the time to look at them. Perhaps he or Jeff Hull if he participates on this forum would be the ones that could best answer them.:)

No problem on the threadjack but I would highly value an answer to my four questions if at all possible.

What video are you talking about? Point me to it because I guess I missed it.

I made this post on 09/13/08

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5852

My post remains unanswered.

the video is found in several locations:

as a premium video -
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=527

as a free preview -
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=511 Lynn Blake with Brian Gay DVD preview.

this preview is on youtube -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP3scE26VdI

I'm not sure if the comments I wrote about are in the preview.

I think my thread got hi-jacked a bit, so I was still wondering if anyone that is qualified can take a shot at these questions. I think 2) is the most important to me right now.

1) What is the difference (if any) between "methods" of takeaway's for Jeff Hull and Brian Gay that discourages one (Hull) from using impact fix while not stopping the other (Gay) ?

[B]2) Are there hazards with Impact Fix at start-up for Swingers - something that I need to watch out for such as too much right wrist bend if there is such a thing ?[/b][/size]

3) Does Brian Gay still use Impact Fix start-up or has he switched to adjusted ?

4) Any other notable swingers that use Impact Fix at start-up ?

I am also interested with these questions, any comments?

The hazard with starting at impact fix for the swinger is that "he" won't have a lagging clubshaft on the backswing - which would create independent momentum in the clubshaft and set-up the appropriate loading action.

TGM says EA is passive at address for swingers. I would associate an "Impact Fix" address position as one that includes EA in order to establish the same geometry that, for the swinger, will ACTUALLY be a result of CF during the swing. The comment above regarding the benefits of adjusted address as it relates to a lagging (or dragging?) takeaway, in my opinion, is probably spot on. One of the pros that I work with actually wants me to feel as if I could drag the club over a 2x4 on the takeaway--clearly not conducive to impact fix address or active EA. Although I'm not nearly qualified enough to question whether the swinger really employs RFT...I do know that when I start at Impact Fix and use active EA, my RFT clearly controls the pivot. When I take it back from adjusted address, disengage the right tricep (EA) and try to feel the loading at the top in PP#3...I really feel like there is as much of a contribution from the hips on the takeaway and they "help" the RFT to the top . I figure the hips are the motor driving the swingers CF on the downswing...why shouldn't they do the same on the backswing. I'm very interested in other's replies to Knob on this.

I won't disparage the use of any take-away procedure a player uses. For one reason or another, a Player finds a way to establish alignments critical to their success in striking the Ball.

I can shed some light on some of the more often unnoticed results that the Right Forearm Take-away provides.

The RFT

1. Forces a player to use Extensor Action
2. Fully Loads the #3 Accumulator at the end of the Take-away
3. provides the critical start-up procedure to use the Magic of the Right Forearm
4. ...which allows the Left Wrist to Cock while maintaining a Level Right Wrist
5. ....Which causes the synchronization of the Left Wrist Cock with the Backstroke Length
6. Helps create and sustain the critical Wrist Action Alignments needed to Load for Hitting or Swinging
7. Controls the Clubshaft and Clubhead from the Start
8. Provides the ability to Trace the Plane line during the Take-away
9. Establishes the Flying Wedge Alignments Immediately
10. Aligns the structure of the Power Package
11. Causes the "Proper" reverse Loading of the Power Accumulators ensuring that, for example, a 3 Barrel Swinger will Load 3,2,4 and compliments the release of 4,2,3
12. Provides the alignments needed for a 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or full stroke without making any further adjustments or changing any procedure (Actually, it provides the alignments for every swing you'll use, from putting to driving)
13. ensures a 3 dimensional Start-up
14. if continued to progress, sets the correct amount of Pivot Lag for any Length Stroke
15. If the amount of right wrist bend was established at impact fix, which varies with ball position, then that same wrist bend is established immediately with the Right Forearm Takeaway because the RFT first establishes the Primary Lever
16. Will establish any Swing Tempo and accommodate any swing thought

I'm sure others can add additional detail but one simple quality about the RFT is that all of the above, as complex as the mechanics may seem, can be reduced to ONE SIMPLE FEEL. And that can be reproduced as easily as any other.

I'm not opposed to the Lagging Clubhead Take-away, but the player will need to perform all of the above somewhere else during the Backstroke.

It would be nice if a video demonstration can be done for a swinger with an impact fix address. BTW, any advantage with impact fix (hand only) with preturened hip for both hitting and swinging?

i pretty sure i'm right in saying Brian Gay is swinging from an impact fix address

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP3scE26VdI