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ruthin 09-04-2008 05:17 PM

6-B-1-D Extensor Action
 
"the stretch direction is always below plane"

Would this mean if the left arm was a piece of string we would be trying to pull the string tight NOT along the line of the shaft, but to a point on the ground below the shaft?

Thanks in advance :confused1

cometgolfer 09-04-2008 05:43 PM

Yes.

I believe it says something about "except with no #3 accumulator" (which is that angle formed between the shaft and left forearm) it is "below plane". The only time you might have a zero #3 accumulator would be if you put the grip of the club in the cup of the left hand.

6bmike 09-04-2008 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruthin (Post 55642)
"the stretch direction is always below plane"

Would this mean if the left arm was a piece of string we would be trying to pull the string tight NOT along the line of the shaft, but to a point on the ground below the shaft?

Thanks in advance :confused1


The tug is on the primary lever- the left arm, NOT on both levers, so not along the shaft. The shaft (the Plane) needs to be released (the clubhead) rolled on a straight plane line (clubface). EA on the shaft would be a big brake- even for a Hitter. EA is structure- Flying Wedge glue, not a power source.

So the downward inline Extensor action goes below the plane (shaft)- and whatever power accumulator number three angle it still has.

ruthin 09-05-2008 03:28 AM

I was think in terms of Yoda's pull the sleeeve tight thought.

So basically I need to make sure i'm NOT trying to pull on the shaft, just the feeling of trying to pull on the left arm to keep it stretched?

Thanks in advance

6bmike 09-05-2008 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruthin (Post 55664)
I was think in terms of Yoda's pull the sleeeve tight thought.

So basically I need to make sure i'm NOT trying to pull on the shaft, just the feeling of trying to pull on the left arm to keep it stretched?

Thanks in advance


Yes- pull on the sleeve or arm. Now see the shaft angled up to form acc#3, that tug goes under the shaft. The tug is always inline. never moves it in an arc.

ruthin 09-05-2008 10:47 AM

Well, i've gone to feeling like I almost have "yips" to feeling confident on working on my pitching and chipping.

Thank you to everyone

okie 09-05-2008 11:40 AM

I have a hint of something
 
6b you are a beauty! As you can tell EA is still a ponderous topic for me. So, because it is a below plane pull on the left arm and not the club shaft (which is supported by the on plane right forearm) it has not relationship to the shaft (unless you zero out # 3) What is the benefit of this? It allows the shaft to move independently of the left arm based on the amount of # 3 Acc? I hope that makes sense!

okie 09-05-2008 11:41 AM

Cool
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ruthin (Post 55678)
Well, i've gone to feeling like I almost have "yips" to feeling confident on working on my pitching and chipping.

Thank you to everyone

Cool...glad to hear it!

cometgolfer 09-05-2008 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruthin (Post 55678)
Well, i've gone to feeling like I almost have "yips" to feeling confident on working on my pitching and chipping.

Thank you to everyone

R,

That's good to hear.

It's a nice example of how some basic TGM information combined with a reasonable attempt to try and understand it can help a golfer get better.

CG

SECGolf 09-05-2008 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okie (Post 55680)
6b you are a beauty! As you can tell EA is still a ponderous topic for me. So, because it is a below plane pull on the left arm and not the club shaft (which is supported by the on plane right forearm) it has not relationship to the shaft (unless you zero out # 3) What is the benefit of this? It allows the shaft to move independently of the left arm based on the amount of # 3 Acc? I hope that makes sense!

I believe EA serves the same function, regardless of zeroing out # 3 or not. So there is no benefit in terms of EA to the stretch being below plane. The stretch direction (or its relation to the club shaft). just is what it is, based on amount of # 3. The benefit to having or not having # 3, or degrees of, is in the transfer of power, or degrees of.

okie 09-05-2008 01:10 PM

Sec
 
I was referencing that with #3Acc the stretch is below the plane of the clubshaft, without # 3 Acc it is on the same plane. Correct?

SECGolf 09-05-2008 01:58 PM

Yes, I believe that would be the case.

Yoda 09-05-2008 03:51 PM

On Plane Extensor Action
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by okie (Post 55684)

I was referencing that with #3Acc the stretch is below the plane of the clubshaft, without # 3 Acc it is on the same plane. Correct?

Yes . . . Right Triceps Extensor Action stretches the Left Arm in the direction it is pointing. When the #3 Accumulator (Left Arm / Clubshaft Angle) is zeroed, there is theoretically a Left Shoulder Plane Angle. In this instance, the Extensor Action stretch in "On" Plane, not "Below" Plane.

:)

okie 09-05-2008 04:11 PM

Gotcha!
 
Thanks, Yoda! Congrats on # 6,500!

Yoda 09-05-2008 04:34 PM

Busy Fingers Are Happy Fingers!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by okie (Post 55689)

Thanks, Yoda! Congrats on # 6,500!

Omigosh . . . I hadn't realized I was closing in on this milestone. Thanks for noticing, Oakie!

:salut:

ruthin 09-18-2008 08:00 AM

What would be a good way of practicing extensor action with/without a club in your hand?

I think I understand the concept, but I feel I am directing it along the shaft. I have read the posts on this but wonder if anyone can add different drills/thoughts as to feel both?

Any drills anyone may have spring to mind?

okie 09-18-2008 08:45 AM

Pull your finger
 
Pulling on your left thumbkin may prove helpful. If you feel as though you are pulling on plane with the shaft as opposed to below plane, then you might want to look into how you are gripping the club with your left hand, seeings that this determines the degree of the #3 Acc. angle. If # 3 is zeroed out or close to zeroed out because you are gripping too much in the palm the pull will be close to or actually on the plane of the shaft. The idea that golf is a game of inches is quite apparent when you consider the # Acc. I like to look in the mirror to visually ensure that the stretch is below plane.

ruthin 09-18-2008 09:49 AM

okie,

Thanks for the response. When you say look in the mirror, are you looking for the hands to go in a direction different to the clubshaft plane?

6bmike 09-18-2008 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruthin (Post 55919)
What would be a good way of practicing extensor action with/without a club in your hand?

I think I understand the concept, but I feel I am directing it along the shaft. I have read the posts on this but wonder if anyone can add different drills/thoughts as to feel both?

Any drills anyone may have spring to mind?

Pull on a long sleeve shirt or sweater- this way you will only pull outward and resist lifting the left arm with extensor action- that is the job of the right elbow not the linear force of EA

okie 09-18-2008 11:23 AM

EA & #3Acc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ruthin (Post 55921)
okie,

Thanks for the response. When you say look in the mirror, are you looking for the hands to go in a direction different to the clubshaft plane?

With any degree of Acc 3 angle the left arm and the shaft are not in line (they do share the same vertical plane of motion i.e. left flying wedge) therefore extensor action is in a direction inside of the plane line i.e. pull the left arm in the direction it is already pointing. So yes it is not in the same direction as the shaft, unless #3 is zeroed out. For me, checking it out in a mirror is essentially about seeing how much Acc 3 angle I have. This is one of the reasons why the grip is so important. It is possible for a grip to look OK, but yet have no real geometric relationship with the sweetspot. Position golf sucks! So for putting EA pulls the left arm on the same plane as the shaft because I zero out #3 Acc. hope that helps

ruthin 09-18-2008 12:34 PM

I think I understand a bit better...

If I were to hold the club directly in front of me with Accum #3 zeroed out and feel the right arm stretching the left out, then repeat that with some Accum #3 angle it feels different to how I was doing it.

I tink I got it :salut:

Although my chipping and pitching is MILES better already with what I WAS doing...

okie 09-18-2008 01:06 PM

Acc # 3
 
I recommend researching the # 3 Acc. It is important in its own right, but is connected to several other important elements. It will pay dividends to undestand something about it. Bucket made a living out of Acc # 3...I learned a lot from his adventures!


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