Endless belt
 

Hey i was curious how the endless belt would look super imposed upon a golfer, both down the line as well as face on. Also does the belt itself remain stationairduring the swing or would one of the ends at least move during the swing? Finally does this relate diferntly to swingers to hitters?

Looking For My Endless Belt Stickman!
 

Let's start with this: I put up a post a while back of a stickman graphic I drew for my Swedish PGA talk that illustrates the concept. I searched but could not immediately find it. Please . . . somebody help!

:salut:

The endless belt, help
 

Look under the golfing machine basic. The endless belt, help by O.B. Left
10/10/2007.

Bobby Clampett/Master Impact Zone/Golf Digest
 

Also Look in the Golfing Machine Basic for:
Bobby Clampett/Master Impact Zone/Golf Digest 10/31/2007
by Yoda

How Straight can Straight Line Delivery Path be?

Can it actually be Straight-Straight?

Or is Straight-Straight more of feel? It does feel Straight-Straight.

Or is it Straight-Straight a comparison to Circle Path?

Maybe I should stop saying Straight-Straight and just say Straight. :)

This is all related to questions I have about the "Endless Belt". Maybe I'm missing something.

Up top . . .

You are in fact missing "something."

I hate that when that happens. But I'm used to it. :)

I've been completely against the notion that one can change the size of the Pulley. Maybe one can't change the physical size of a pulley but can change the effective size? Does that make sense?

That "something" is totally unrelated to endless belt . . .you're good there.

Pulley Location
 

I think the question has been asked but I couldn't find an answer so I'll bring it up again as the endless belt effect is such an important concept.

Approximately where is the "release pulley" located? When looking face-on at the golfer, is it near the right knee? Is it further "up/down" the delivery path? Or is it simply a function of how much trigger delay the golfer is using?

If it's a function of trigger delay, is there a "probably-shouldn't-be-located-more-down-the-path-of-the-hands-than-here" location?

CG

You are on it . . . the answer is . . .it depends . . . hand path, axis tilt, plane angle, trigger delay, right shoulder location . . .

The Hands travel on the outside perimeter of the lower pulley.

Right . . .THE HANDS ARE THE BELT.

Visualizing the Endless Belt
 

From my Post #2 in this thread: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s... ram#post46051

Here are three diagrams from a presentation I made back in March 2006 to the Swedish PGA Coaching and Teaching Summit. As you can see, the Endless Belt Effect (Sketch 2-K #6) relates to the Delivery Path of the Hands (7-23) and its Aiming Point (6-E-2); the Release (7-24); and its Triggering (7-20). Compare the diagrams to Zone Three Photos 9-3-6 (Top) through 9-3-10 (Impact). The diagrams and related study should help answer your questions.







Also, the site is rich with information on the Endless Belt, the Releases and Trigger Delay procedures. For example, see my post #67 in this search: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...endles s+belt . And #14 here:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...bel t+diagram

Use the 'Search' function and enjoy!

MachinusMagnus . . . do you think there could be another belt set on the thru side to get the player back up the plane? Or is that too goofy?

One Less Belt To Answer
 

The Endless Belt Effect is all about increasing the Clubhead's Surface Speed with no increase in Hand Speed. To that end, there is only one Endless Belt and one 'Release' Pulley Wheel.

In fact, the golfer uses only about one-quarter of that Release Wheel (to Trigger the Release at the initial encounter). After Triggering (7-20; 7-23) and Full Extension (2-P), Acceleration has ceased and only Momentum is available to propel the Club into the Finish.

Gotcha! Makes perfect sense.

I'm afraid that when I really try to employ a snap release I feel like I get that release pulley located somewhere near the middle of my feet (that's the image I get from the idea of having the line-of-sight of the hands cover the left foot at release). Consequently it seems like there is not enough time to square the face and it's "fore right". I'm learning to release it sooner, but I think my attempt to sustain the lag often gets me dragging it too deep into the delivery path.

Is it possible, with automatic release, for CF to "betray" you and not release things in time to allow for a face that is aligned properly?

CG

Where are the misses going?

Know Your Lag
 

Comet,

A common misconception may be surfacing here:

The TGM motto -- "Sustain the Lag" (3-F-7-B) -- refers to Clubhead Lag (the stressed Clubshaft and #3 Pressure Point Pressure) . . . not to Accumulator Lag (specifically, the Cocked Left Wrist [#2 Accumulator] and Turned Left Hand [#3 Accumulator].

You 'Sustain the Lag' with both a one-inch Putt and a 300-yard Drive.

:)

Open incubator and insert .................................................. .....

Thanks Yoda,

CG

Et Tu, Centrifugal Force?
 

Left to operate as it should, Centrifugal Force will always align both the Clubshaft and the Clubface for Impact. However . . .

It is quite possible (even easy) to override this action through ignorance or effort or both. In fact, Hitters do it deliberately with every Stroke (as they should).

For Swingers, the greater the 'override', the higher the handicap.

:)

Hmm? I’m not a Party Pooper but please consider: 1-L
#8. No portion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently. (The Golfers Flail)

Only by Lever Extension (Travel Distance) is the Clubhead traveling at a greater velocity than the Hands. At Impact, the Hands and Clubhead are traveling at the same Speed and RPM. (I'm not yelling, the bold is for those hard of reading) (The Golfers Flail) Not Just at Impact. Please remember the Bent and Level Right Wrist and that the Golf Club moves in a circle.

Should the issue of “The Endless Belt” conclude: :)

How does one Increase Clubhead Speed? -Or- How does one Increase Hand Speed?

Does a Snap Release Increase Clubhead Speed or Hand Speed?

I need to beat Bucket to the Punch: (I found a website with Southern Sayings)

Southern Saying: Like a chicken with your head cut off
Translation: Confusion
Usage: That boy was running around like a chicken with his head cut off!

What does the phrase "to stir the pot" generally mean? And does it mean to be in some way deliberately provocative or irritating?
Deliberately provocative, yes, but not necessarily maliciously. Picture a pot of soup. A lot of ingredients have settled to the bottom, out of sight, until stirred. Metaphorically, a lot of issues can drop out of sight when nobody mentions them. One can "stir the pot" to bring issues to the surface, mostly to create awareness.


(Accumulator #2, believe it or not, may very well be Hand Velocity)

RPM Vs. MPH
 

I don't have any specific data available, but generally, through Impact, the Clubhead moves about five times as fast as the Hands. For example, a Clubhead Speed of 100 MPH means a Handspeed at 20 MPH.

So, at Impact -- assuming the 'In Line' Clubshaft and Left Arm (Rhythm per 6-B-3-0 and 2-G) -- the Hands and Clubhead are, indeed, traveling at the same RPM, but . . .

Not at the same MPH (Surface Speed).

Would you agree that they have the same Angular Velocity? :)

Would you agree with the statement that: Only by Lever Extension (Travel Distance) is the Clubhead traveling at a greater velocity than the Hands; at impact. Remember that the "Golfers Flail" is held together with a 'Pin'.

These are Rhetorical Questions. :whistle:

A humble Student.

Lever Extension is the whole deal . . . BUT you have to build your angular velocity (acceleration & momentum) with the start down . . . so you shorten the radius via getting your accumulators out of line . . . then you can really whip that short radius deal around building speed. The the speed is transferred out and the surface speed increases geometrically . . .

You got something right!!! :happy3:

Master Yoda,

At impact has the #2 accumulator (clubhead velocity accumulator) reached its full inline condition or is that a post impact condition?

It has if you want to hit it really short.

Hey chickenbone, it's a set up question for clarification purposes. Yoda mentioned "clubhead" condition at impact and it reads as "in line". He is of course talking about the "in line" condition of the #3 accumulator (transfer/roll power). So even though the clubhead is still uncocking through impact, the #3 accumulator is in line because it is the one accumulator that is always in that condition.

The #3 angle is zeroed out once the Left Wrist is Uncocked past Level Beavis.

Who said anything about zeroing out? Are you saying that #3 is inline when it gets zeroed out?

Don't confuse wristcock with the condition of the flat left wrist and #3 accumulator. They are mutually exclusive. I can see how your 10-2-D grip might make that confusing for you. Throwing the clubface at the ball makes life easier for knuckle draggers because you get to ignore rolling.

Even though the left wrist can be fully uncocked that doesn't change the fact that #3 is still in line, even though it gets zeroed out temporarily.

I may be a retard on this (among other things) but isn't the #3 Accumulator Angle set when the Left Wrist is in it's Level condition (all alignments stem from Impact).
The #3 Accumulator Angle is rolled through the impact interval but when (and if ) the Primary Lever goes to Full-Lever Extension then the #3 angle would be lost would it not?

Yes! 2-P and 6-B-3-0 but I think you are confusing "in line" with the angles. #3 is always in line assuming a geometrically correct flat left wrist.

If the #3 Accumulator is zeroed out, then would you agree with this statement?
At impact, the Clubhead traveling at a greater velocity than the Hands Only by Lever Extension. Remember that the "Golfers Flail" is held together with a 'Pin'.
Could someone please explain to me how the Uncocking Left Wrist produces Velocity while the Right Wrist remains Bent and Level? The Left Wrist is an out-of-line condition but Isn’t it true that the Straightening of the Right Elbow allows the Left Wrist to Uncock.
Never mind, I got it. Pivot Train, Uncocking Left Wrist and Left Shoulder Center of the Left Arm Arc develop Centrifugal Force. :) I'm now at peace with the universe. :)

Overlapping Accumulator Release
 

Per 2-P, the Left Wrist is in its Level condition at Impact and reaches its maximum Uncocked condition (Full Extension) during the Follow-Through. To that degree, even for Swingers, the Release Motions (Uncock and Roll / 4-D-0) are Simultaneous, not Sequenced.

Thank you.
Before I go back to my closet to finish off our videos :) , one more question along those lines.

If there is really no such thing as a true sequenced release where each accumulator reaches its inline condition prior to momentum transfer to the next, why does Homer differentiate between sequenced, overlapped and simultaneous? Shouldn't there just be overlapped and simultaneous release sequences?

HEY DARYL!!!!

DID YOU HEAR THAT!!! That's what I was trying to tell you on that thread you started the big p#ssin' contest with me on . . .

You lacin' 'em up to fight MachinusMagnus??? Better get a good cut man . . .

In Line In What Plane?
 

The Action of both the #2 and #3 Power Accumulators (Left Wrist Uncock and Roll) always occurs in the Plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge (6-B-3-0-1). Thus, the Sweetspot and Left Arm are always aligned radially. This is true whether the Left Wrist is Cocked or Uncocked (a vertical motion within that Plane) and whether the #3 Angle exists or has been Zeroed.

Differentiating Release Motions -- Snap Roll Vs. Gradual
 

The Swinger's Sequenced Release Motions -- Uncock to Level, then Snap Roll (from Turned to Vertical) into Impact -- brings the Cocked and Turned Left Wrist into Release with the Right Hand 'palm up' to the Plane (10-20-E). This produces the Maximum Power application of both the #2 and #3 Accumulators.

In contrast, the Hitter's Motions are Simultaneous -- Uncock to Level with a Simultaneous and Gradual Roll into Impact -- thereby forfeiting the Maximum Power of the Turned Left Wrist (#3 Accumulator / 6-B-3-A). The Hitter still enjoys the definite -- albeit gradual -- Overtaking Action of the #3 Accumulator. The lack of Snap Roll is overcome via the addition of Right Arm Thrust.

Summarizing, Homer Kelley felt the 'Sequenced vs. Simultaneous' differentiation was sufficient. Nevertheless, a total understanding of the Swinger's Sequenced Release includes "Sequenced to Impact (thereby gaining Maximum Transfer/Snap Roll Power); then, Simultaneous (thereby gaining Maximum Velocity/Full Extension Power)."

Dear Mr. Bucket,

Nice try but:
Yoda’s statement is a semantic issue. You cannot use it to clarify your confusion and thus escape the consequences of a previous post in another thread. That would be using a misleading statement to correct one of your confused and bewildered claims.

The term Sequence applies to Releasing Actions in a definite order. The Uncocking Action and Rolling Action occur at different times and places. One Started before the other. However, once each has acted, and because they continue simultaneously, does not negate the fact that they began independently one before the other. Sequential Order of Release. :)

Perhaps if you're having difficulty, "Hitting" may be an option for you. &B

Boogerhead . . .

THE RELEASE APPROACHES SIMULTANEOUS THE MORE OVERLAP THERE IS.