Executing the Sequenced Release
 

Another frustrating weekend of ball-striking and I'm really struggling to understand where the problem lies. I'm trying to get to more of a pure swinging motion and have felt that I have never really executed the sequenced release motion properly. I tend to have lots of lag and a late trigger so my miss tends to be a push to the right. I think it's because I get more of a simultaneous release motion (or perhaps too much overlap in the uncock/roll move).

So..... is there an effective way to work on the SEQUENCED release that the swinger should be using? Is it a matter of exaggerating the "uncocking" really early in the downswing in order to feel the "roll" portion more clearly?

CG

The release of the swinger is the sequenced release. Uncock, then roll to get the flat left wrist in one of the 3 hinging conditions, and then mantain the vertical relationship of the flat left wrist to its associated plane until follow-through.

Concentrate on what uncocks the secondary assembly , for the swinger the centrifugal force, or wrist, forearm muscles do the uncocking.

The matter of exaggerating the "uncocking" really early in the downswing is not crucial here, and I see it as a separated component as sweep , snap release belong to a different component.

Bucket did many posts about hammering on plane...start with vertical plane the angled plane etc....good stuff.

Start with one armed motions (assume right handed) so use your left arm only...forget the ball...just get used to feeling the motion.

Check your ball position....you might have to make sure that your ball is appropriately forward enough and that your post is stationary....if you are sliding your hips and left shoulder targetwards too much....then low point moves forward....and clubface is open at impact.

I like the Alex Morrison keep head turned to right type look and feel to help keep my right shoulder on plane ( back and down) and also keep my stationary post stationary.

Also really get a sense of accumulator 4 release to allow an arm swing which then leads to a sequenced release...

At least that is what i felt when i thought that i had got it...

Thanks for the input guys. Good images to go with and some that I've used but have gotten away from.

CG

Have you considered...?
 

I can relate to case of the "blocks." At times I would not "allow" my right arm to straighten...in an attempt to secure a "late hit." I know that in swinging the right arm is passive, but that does not mean non-existent! Ironically, what helped with this is learning how to hit! Focusing on that right tricep made TGM come alive! I am not suggesting that you hit, but perhaps if you monitored your right arm to make sure that it is not resisting CF (muscular rigor mortis?) in an attempt to stay bent. Make sense? I saw a picture of Byron Nelson at impact when I was a junior. His right arm was quite bent. Monkey see...monkey do! I did not see the picture from the same swing showing Nelson at follow through. Hitta, or swinga that bad boy has gotta straighten!

Good post!:salut:

If Uncocking early helps you, then you are Angle Hinging. If a Sequenced Release works, it's an accident. :(

If, at the start of Release, the Left Wrist , Forearm and Clubshaft are in-line (Primary Lever), the Left Wrist Flat and the Right Wrist Bent, then you can only Angle Hinge (10-3-C, 10-3-D and most people who use 10-3-A). You need to Un-Cock and Roll simultaneously or you will bend the Plane Line. You have no Choice. Get a bench and see for yourself or better, address an imaginary ball facing a wall with your Clubhead touching the wall. Position yourself at Release with a Flat Left Wrist, then Uncock, then Roll. You’ll see exactly what I’m talking about.

Start your downswing and stop at Release. Is the Clubshaft parallel to the ground and parallel to the Plane Line. If your Left Wrist is Flat (not bent) then your Right Wrist is Bent (Strong Single Action Grip) and if your Clubshaft is On Plane, and your Hands are approximately in front of your right leg, then you are Angle Hinging. For a Hitter, that’s good because the Primary Lever is rolling (Pivot) while the Left Wrist is Uncocking. Look at your Clubhead at this point. It is slightly Toe Down. If you’re a Swinger, and everything looks the same as above, then you must use Angled Hinging too.

The swinger who uses Angled Hinging must not try a Sequenced Release because you will bend the Plane Line. Swingers can compensate the Simultaneous Release by using a Very Strong Left Hand Grip (10-2-D) and still benefit from CF, with the Left Thumb and #3 Pressure Point directly behind the Shaft at impact (Like many Pro’s). If you don’t, then you’re Switting. Keep in mind that the Right Wrist remains Level throughout for both Hitting and Swinging, or Simultaneous or Sequenced release.

Flat Left Wrist/Bent Right Wrist at Release is not compatible with Sequenced Releases. Bent Left Wrist at Release is not compatible with Simultaneous Releases.

If you Stop the downswing and look at your Left wrist position and see a Cocked and Slightly Bent Left Wrist (Picture 9-3-9 Release, page 131), and Level Right Wrist and your elbow is in a Pitch position (10-3-B), and the sole of the Clubhead is On The Plane (looks like an open clubface to most people), then you must Sequence the Release and Roll (Swivel) the Secondary Lever through impact after the Left Wrist Un-cocks. Uncocking returns the Left Wrist to Level and then becomes Flat from rolling (Actually-Swiveling, Roll is a Pivot term 2-G-Paragraph 3), otherwise you will bend the Plane Line and arrive at impact with a Bent Left Wrist (if you can find the Ball). You don’t need to think about Rolling. The Hands are leading the Clubhead and The Pivot will help impart Roll. Swingers’ Roll (Swivel) Looks like un-throttling a Motorcycle and not like Back Handing a Tennis Racket as a Hitter might look while simultaneously Rolling and Uncocking.

So, Swingers can choose Angled or Horizontal Hinge but should adjust their Grip for Angled Hinging to rely on CF.

Nice!!!
 

Not intended for me but I enjoyed your detailed post nonetheless. Plenty of chicken on that bone! Speaking of which...where is Bucket?

Daryl,

As Okie said.... plenty of meat to chew on there, and good food for thought. I'm incubating on it now.

Thanks. :salut:

CG

The question to answered is do you think the Sequenced Release is the PROCEDURE . . . or a DESCRIPTION of the Procedure? AND . . . . you better make sure your chosen Procedure matches your Grip Type. The entire book is written for the most part under the assumption that you are employing a 10-2-B grip . . .so . . . are you?

10-2-B Yes, and I agree with the statement that HK mostly referred to 10-2-B.

10-18-A and 10-18-B employ 10-2-B.

10-18-B “… It is restricted to true centrifugal force swings because its reverse rotation during Release-return to the Flat and Vertical Left Wrist-inhibits Clubhead Throwaway.” I think that the word “restricted” should be replaced with “mandatory”. It’s only my opinion.

Then, 7-3 would be completely comprehensible, “For Swinging the Right Forearm should be precisely in-line with-and directly opposed to-the motion of the On Plane Loading Action of the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Clubshaft) and this alignment maintained through impact.” Homer Kelly was a genius and no sentence in the book sums the differences between Hitting and Swinging as eloquently as this.

For the Swinger, this can only occur with 10-18-B. If Swingers continue to use 10-18-A then the concept of Loading the Secondary Lever and how it is completely and dramatically different (in feel and appearance) than Loading the Primary Lever cannot ever be known. You cannot load the Secondary Lever with 10-18-A. That’s what the statement in 7-3 is about and the reason “THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM” is included in 7-3.

Learn this, then Sequenced and Simultaneous Releases are not only understood, but can be executed at will, and perfectly On Plane. Every time.

another consideration is . . . the more trigger delay then the more the release becomes "like" simultaneous . . .

I don’t think so.
Greater delay results in greater Clubhead velocity and downward force. This needs compensation. Reduced #3 Accumulator Angle for shorter Swivel time. The feel of the Swivel is magnified by the downward force and Roll is accentuated because of ratio of the “feel” of the longer and delayed Downstroke. For me, it feels like I’m pounding the Ball into the ground with Roll. Huge thump. My arms are almost parallel to the ground before I finish swivel. Ball flight soars upward though. Nice to watch but guaranteed to take an extra ten yards off into the wind.:(

Focusing on the right tricep will be the death of your swinging motion. You'll have to question yourself why Tomasello talks about using the muscles of the forearms not the Triceps. Stay with the tricep idea long enough on you'll be on the path to over acceleration.....you'll start generating clubhead throwaway automatically, impact will start to feel like _hit and lose its sweet feel. That's just the beginning.

DG

Definitely becomes "Simultaneous" with Max Trigger Delay . . . think about it . . . if you are delaying the Uncocking and the Rolling well into the Downstroke these release motions HAVE TO happen in a more "simultaneous" fashion to be able to hit the ball meeting the selected Fix Alignments . . . that is why Max Trigger Delay isn't necessarily your friend.

Think of Sergio or Hogan vs. a Tom Watson . . . with Sergio the amount of delay requires that the Accumulators get in line QUICKLY Simultaneously almost instantly . . . that would be both #2 and #3 . . . if Sergio held it deep and just did UNCOCKING and no roll the ball goes everywhere . . . .that is why you may want to think about 10-2-D grips with Max Trigger Swings . . . with that grip type you CAN'T Roll . . . Just Uncock.

Take 2
 

It is my understanding that a push can result if the right arm is overly bent at impact, true? My suggestion to monitor the right arm was to see if it is "resisting" CF. I am not suggesting a thrrrust! Dynamically, or passively the right arm is in the process of being straightened by muscular force or by good 'ole CF. My reference to hitting was from my personal experience. Hitting re-introduced me to something that was forgotten (perhaps only known occassionally...and by accident...namely low point!) I am a manipulative swinger, and perhaps a closet hitter!:laughing9 The challenge is to allow the primordial force to do its thang. If I am under the gun and leaking oil I tend to trust the forces of nature closer to home i.e. the muscular thrust of the right tricep. Why? Psychological needs...and the desperate desire to annihilate low point. If I am a bit twitchy I tend to wrestle with CF and that right arm SIMPLY does not straighten. FORE RIGHT! However when I am "cruising" CF and I are like Fred and Ginger. The reason I swing most of the time (especially with a driver) is that, unlike Mr. Fort, I lose a few precious yards. It is not that my hitting stroke is short, it is just that the my swinging procedure is longer! Every now and then I work on pure swinging. It is kind of like a marital counseling session for CF and I!

Swinging or hitting no attempt should be made to restrain the straightening right arm, is my point.

I'm learning something here guys... thanks for the dialogue.

Off topic perhaps Bucket, but did Freddy Couples use 10-2-D? I could watch that dude hit balls all day..... such a unique fluid motion. Saw him in a WWOG match the other day and tried to figure out what grip he uses to be compatible with the rest of his action.

CG

ABSOLUTELY! AND . . . he is a TRUE Swinger . . . so check out some Couples' pics notice how he doesn't really "Swivel" back Up-Plane too. He BENDS Up Plane.

There are plenty of strong grip (10-2-D) players with oooodlez of Trigger Delay . . . see SwingVisions on Youtube of Boo and Sergio. The have "late" Swivel . .. Zach Johnson is the king of late swivel . . . maybe even NO swivel.

Another interesting comparison is to look at how close to the ground the clubhead is when Zach's hands are at his right thigh on the Downstroke vs. Boo or Sergio . . . you tell me who can hit it farther???

If you can see some footage of Freddy he's more "bendy" . . . so the club "re-planes" quicker but it's due to bending and recocking rather than ROLLING and recocking.

“More Simultaneous”?? No. Less Sequenced does not equal more Simultaneous. Apples and Oranges. They are completely and Totally different motions.
More important is that the Right Wrist does not Cock or Uncock. The Right Wrist performs the same motion regardless of when and where and how fast it occurs. The Right Wrist is Bending as the Left Wrist Swivels. The Right Wrist moves from almost Flat before impact to Bent during impact. That motion occurs after the Left Wrist Uncocks (to Level). Uncock, then Roll. Sequence.
Please keep in mind that the Left Wrist Uncocks as the Right Arm straightens for both Hitters and Swingers. You are delaying the Right Arm from Straightening, but not from Straightening.

10-2-D Grips are for Swingers using Angled Hinging or Horizontal Hinging if you want to position the ball opposite your Right Foot.

Woo! We're debatin'!

I still stand by my post that with Maximum Trigger Delay ALL RELEASES approach Simultaneous . . . It has to work that way . . . apples peaches punkin' pie . . .

I was refering to the Left Wrist bending and cocking not the Right Wrist . . .

Per 10-2-G . . .

. A bit of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes exactly the same amount of Double Wristcock to keep the Clubshaft On Plane and to maintain Impact Wrist Position. Except with a “True” Swing (6-B-3-0) where Centrifugal Force will produce the “geometric” Flat Left Wrist when there is actually a “visual” Bent Left Wrist. That is, the Clubshaft and the Left Arm are in a straight line per 6-B-3-0 and 2-K regardless of the Left Wrist Position. These procedures may be either “Weak” or “Strong” but either or both Wrist are Double Cocked per 10-18-B.

Hence the Freddie Couples reference . . . he satisfies the conditions of the Law of the Flail . . . but his Left Wrist be Bendin' like a comma.

As for Strong Grips and Horizontal Hinging . . . I don't think that has anything to do with ball position . . . you CAN Horizontal Hinge with a 10-2-D (or any grip type for that matter) . .. IF you keep something VERTICAL to the Horizontal Plane . .. that's what Homer considered the advantage of the 10-2-B grip . . . you could SEE that it was vertical. Whereas with 10-2-B you have to have some other reference point.

I still love you man!

very interesting thread!
 

good discussion...

If a max trigger delay sequenced release does occur in a sequence then it will certainly feel more simultaneous to your little old brain... but i guess it does not have to be simultaneous in reality...

Daryl, did you say that to swing (CF force, horizontal hinge) with strong single action grip and max trig delay....you need to have a slightly bent left wrist at release point if you want to keep straight plane line??

Thanks for clarifying - i have not had much time for TGM book work ...easily confused now!

Imagine how fast some of these cats on TV are moving . . . #2 and #3 are basically firing at the same time to get the clubface to square . . . Some have more circle path and maybe they don't. I mean people hammered Leadbetter for saying some of those dudes have to unbend the right wrist to release the club . . . I have know idea what he meant as far as if he thinks that's the way it REALLY works (that's an entirely different debate) . . BUT I guarantee you that some of those cats on tour probably FEEL like they unbend their right wrist so they can get the club back to the ball with all that delay and speed they generate. That's certainly not what you'd want to tell a classic whackandhack job . . .BUT you may have to say some junk like that to somebody on the other end of the spectrum to make it work.

So maybe it should be "THIS IS HOW IT WORKS" . . . but for you to make it work you have to FEEL like it does this.

so how does this dude get to the ball without having #2 and #3 fire at the same time that deep into the release . . .

Here's sequenced release for sure . . .

http://www.golfblogger.com/index.php...ohnsons_swing/

Stop it about the 33 second mark (hands right thigh high) and compare it to Sergio above . . . there is 3 feet difference in those two club heads . . . hands are different . . . hip slides are different . . . axis tilts are different . . .

Dear Mr. Bucket,

Please allow me to clarify my previous post with the following information.

You said: “I still stand by my post that with Maximum Trigger Delay ALL RELEASES approach Simultaneous” .
I respectfully beg to differ. That is not logical. That’s like saying that the Faster you drive your truck, then the more it becomes a Ferrari. I don’t think so.
You said: “I was referring to the Left Wrist bending and cocking not the Right Wrist”.
I know. I was explaining that the Right Wrist doesn’t Cock. If the Right Wrist remains Level throughout the stroke and rolls into impact after the Left Wrist Uncocks, then you performed a Sequenced Release.

The reference to 10-2-G is understood, however, I can assure you that my Left Wrist is Flat Before-During-and After Impact. Visually and Geometrically.

You Said: “As for Strong Grips and Horizontal Hinging . . . I don't think that has anything to do with ball position . . . you CAN Horizontal Hinge with a 10-2-D (or any grip type for that matter) . .. IF you keep something VERTICAL to the Horizontal Plane . .. that's what Homer considered the advantage of the 10-2-B grip . . . you could SEE that it was vertical. Whereas with 10-2-B you have to have some other reference point.”

I agree. When I said that the 10-2-D Grip can be used with Horizontal Hinging if You are willing to play the ball opposite your left foot, I was merely trying to help you hit the Green and not land thirty yards to the left.

Yes. Thank you. :)

"so how does this dude get to the ball without having #2 and #3 fire at the same time that deep into the release . . . "

Bucket, excellent observation. Pleae note that most of them cock their Right Wrist. They must Uncock it. The picture illustrates that the Clubhead is way out of position trailing too far behind. And I'm not talking about LAG. These guys have hand-eye coordination that's so amazing, that they can break all of the rules and still Win Millions of Dollars on Tour. They are gifted, and they work very hard to maintain that skill.

HK knew a better way.

D,

Trucks and Ferrarii . . . Hitters and Swingers . . . fast is as fast does . . the road don't know and the ball don't neither.

Look at the video I posted on Zach Johnson vs. Sergio . . . there is a HUGE difference in the sequencing of the release motion between those two cats . . . Zach is almost fully Uncocked at thigh high . . . all he has left is Rolling . . . where as at the same point Sergio has MUCH MORE UNCOCKING and Rolling to do to get to fix respectively and from a time and space perspective the rolling and uncocking HAVE TO happen essentially at the same time.

Your left wrist may be visually and geometrically flat after impact . . . but fred couples' wristsusis ain't . . . his left is bent and his right is FLAT. There's cats that get skint all kinda ways.

As far as 30 yards left of the green. . . maybe . . .

But listen . . . I think you are SOLID man! I hope you ain't takin' none of this personal . . . you are one of the tops in my book. We're just talkin' not fightin' right? Your participation and knowledge is invaluable out here . . . more valuable than me being "right" or making points.

I don't see how the club is out of position? Take me to school.

Love Sergio swing!
 

Hi bucket, thanks for posting Sergio's swing - There is so much good stuff to see!

I like his footwork and impact looks awesome!

Swingvision is the only way to see what is really happen - I agree the best guys are moving so fast that hard to see and feel.

I guess if the scores are in the 60s and you win tournaments around the world... it does not matter what you do / feel...

But the ideal IMO is for your feel to accurately reflect what you do... truely eductaed hands/sensory system.

If you get to that level of biofeedback...youfeel when something goes wrong and you can feel your way to put it right again.... complete escape from illusions whether they be visual or whatever...

That is "owning" your swing...Hogan, Moe...and Tiger in his dreams... but that is what he wants!

Imagine looking in the mirror and seeing how you really look...scary!! None of us do it!!:laughing9

Look at the angle of his right forearm and clubshaft going into Release. This is a good indicator of just "how much" his Right Wrist is Cocked. He will need to uncock the right Wrist. Uncocking the Right Wrist presents an almost impossible situation. You can Uncock, then Roll, but you would need to uncock precisley to Level every time. He can't. So he Keeps uncocking and Angle Hinges. His left Wrist Bends after impact. His Right Wrist is playing Ping Pong.

It's sad. He does so much right.

I'm not seeing that at'all . . . look at all the prior frames . . . there's no evidence of any cocking there . . . none that I can see anyhow . ..

Compare Frame 5 Backstroke to Frame 10 Downstroke. Floatload.

Right Hand Cocking
 

Daryl,

Is this due to the appearance of a more acute shaft angle relative to the right forearm in the prior frame with no real "obvious" change in the angle of his right forearm and right upperarm (I think that's what I see). I'm assuming that the only way to get more left wrist cock while maintaining a level right wrist would be to have the angle between the right forearm and upper arm "decrease".

Also.... it does look like he maintains a slightly bent LW coming into release.

CG

I don't think so. Look at Frame 11 - the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground and at 90 degrees to his right forearm.

Grab a Club and get into this posture. The Clubshaft cannot be parallel to the ground with your hands at this location with a Level Right Wrist. Just try it. You’ll need to Cock your Right Wrist.

SG is a great, incredible, talented and fun to watch Pro. He cocks his Right Wrist. Most Golfers do to. Most all of the Pros do. The Pros hit thousands of Balls per week (new balls, not the ones we use to practice. And, they get free drinks, but that's another story). That amount helps maintain their hand-eye coordination. They develop feel. They can shoot 10 under. They can make 30 foot putts.

Someday, you’ll see a Pro that doesn’t Cock his Right Wrist. Maybe not :)

Yes, he does have a Slight Bend in his Left Wrist. But not at impact. That's the least a Pro can do.

I don't know about all this . . . most of the dudes that lace it up out there say he is the best ballstriker out there.

If you look at Zach Johnson's motion vs. Sergio . . . who do you pick? I'd say if you chopped off Zach's head and put it on Sergio's neck . . .Sergio'd have won 5 majors by now.

Now a question . . . if you are going to have tons of trigger delay . . . is horizontal hinging the most effective hinging to use?

Is this Level?

SG is Gifted. He generates awesome Clubhead speed. The ball explodes off the Clubface.

The Right Wrist in the Driver Photo is not Level. It is fully Cocked. Look at the Driver Clubface. Simultaneous Release. SG is an Angled Hinging Swinger.

Trigger Delay? Use it effectively with Both Hinge Actions. But why Max Delay? What's the advantage? Why push to the boundries?

Now everybody out here knows that I'm about a marginally retarded . . . but that right wrist looks level to me anyway . . .

BUT . . . that being said . . . look at the video and compare Zach Johnson's swing to Sergio's through the release interval . . . the answer to your question is BALL GO FAR.

So if you go check the stats . . . Zach is more accurate that Sergio which stands to reason with that Sweepy swing . . . it's a good swing to hit the ball straight with the driver. BUT Sergio is on average 12 yards longer than Zach. They are about the same in GIR. BUT Sergio's swing will be much better out of the rough due to the much sharper Angle of Attack. Two feet from the ball Zach's clubhead is an inch from the ground. Sergio's is MUCH higher . . . there's POP in that decent.

Executing the sequenced release
 

I would like to see an analysis of Tigers release. Does he have a sequenced release? He is winning all of the money. Daryl.

:) Show me a Picture of his release and I'll tell you his Release, Hinging and what he had for Lunch. He has changed his swing ten times in ten years. Go ahead, pick a year.

I must have misled everyone somewhere among all of the threads.

Where did I say that the Pros are ardent followers of TGM?

Where did I say that any Golfer that Cocks his Right Wrist is doomed?

Where did I say that only Golfers that Don’t Cock their Right Wrist can become great Ball Strikers?

I have sincere respect for Golf Pros. All of us and all of them know that Talent, perseverance and hard work will overcome almost anything.

If all of the Pro’s in the world Cock their Right Wrist during the Backswing and Uncock it during the Downswing; does that prove it mechanically perfect? LOL. No it doesn’t. But it proves that it’s possible to Cock your Right Wrist and win a lot of money without perfect mechanics.

Have you ever heard of the Golf Channel? Have you ever listened to a Pro Golfer analyze his swing? It’s gibberish. I have to turn it off. LOL. And their Teachers? Rubbish. Almost every Word. Sometimes Clueless. The Blind leading the Blind. Am I being Harsh. Yes. Too Harsh? I'm not very diplomatic.

How many Pros have changed or adjusted their swing mechanics? How many Pro’s have you heard say that they use the same swing that they used ten years ago?

If you copy a Pro today...are you willing to change your swing when he does?