#1 Reason for NO LAG
 

Let's discuss the #1 Reason for NO LAG with a FORWARD LEANING SHAFT.

In the book 3-F-7-A, 3-F-7-B, and 6-D go into this. What do you find to be the #1 Reason? I'll start...

#1-- The fear of the ball going to the right. The player senses that if he gets his shaft leaing forward and his hands ahead of the ball... he will leave the ball to the right.

Fix... go ahead and hit some balls on the range attempting to get the hands ahead of the ball at Impact. The hands will probably look like they are over your left toes, and ahead of your line of sight, and with the Clubface OPEN, OR POINTING A LITTLE TO THE RIGHT. After a few balls, if your grip is good, the CLUBFACE will probably start to SQUARE UP at Separation, and some good divots(forward of the ball), and some good solid shots should start coming. I suggest starting with some 1/2 to 3/4 swings( knockdowns) with an 8 or 9 iron.

Lag- leaning shaft
 

Frank, Was a little confusing for me - and maybe for others. Could you clarify- Are you saying to find the #1 reason (or in this post it will be everyone's idea of what the #1 reason) for A) Having NO LAG- i.e. losing the clubhead lag pressure and B) therefore not achieving a forward leaning shaft. The way it read sounded like an unusual situation where you wanted to know the #1 reason where people lose the lag but still achieve the forward leaning shaft.

P.S. Bucket told me to always make things more complicated!:confused1

Who the hell is Frank mongoloid?

I say the #1 reason for no lag is standing to the side of the ball and having an inclined plane with a stick that has the sweet spot outside the shaft.

Now that is funny!

Leaning Shaft
 

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O.K... Mr. Mike O.... The #1 reason people cannot get the IMPACT condition like the one pictured of Mr. Kelley in your posts. I said... it is the fear of hitting the ball to the right. Then I gave the Fix.

Lost of rhythm ( over acceleration of the hands)gets my vote ! :)

Faulty Pivot is not far behind.

am i close?

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Hey DODO HEAD!
Frank is Lagster - Check out his BIO. If you'd listen to me and read my post - it would help!
To have LAG requires an IQ above a fence post- sorry you missed out!

P.S. It's great having you back!:)

No Lag
 

Thanks,
That's what I thought you were saying - just making sure.
If I followed your reason - and we came up with some specifics- then the following might be good places to look for a root cause- in addition to your clubface motion fix/awareness.
1) weak grip
2) open clubface
3) Ball too far back in the stance
4) Etc. Etc.
5) Low IQ in some cases! Hmm. Hmm. No one in particular!!

I agree, Lagster that the fear of banging the ball to the right does cause a lost of Lag, but IMHO, as an outcome of the subconscious result of STEERING. I also think that a fear of totally missing the ball leads to a Lost of Lag due to throw-away- a form of Steering. These golfers just swing the clubhead instead of Educating the Hands.

As you posted, the Hands need to go thru the Line of Sight (centered head) before impact. I do agree that golfers ‘see’ the clubface “open” without the knowledge or know-how as to how it “closes” and quickly try to adjust. The Rhythm of a Flat Level Left Wrist thru the Line of Sight will prevent Lag loss. Here, as your lesson accomplishes, the pivot should respond to the Hands as they Roll on the Straight Plane Line.

Oh boy . . . you're back to reading peoples bio's again? Last time that happened somebody ate their own cerebelum.

Lagster (Frank) . . . . soon you'll be receiving a call from a person with hair on their voice probably whispering something like "I'm in your house."

How about a fundamental misunderstanding of angular motion and thus why the club is hook faced?

Sure helps. But as a LagBuster? I threw the clubhead away On Plane- not as well as the Pros though. :crybaby:

Trust your natural instincts and you will be wrong.
 

Not understanding the Geometrical Alignments of Down and Out and the Educated Hands that produce such Alignments gets my vote. I wish I had a dollar for every time I gave a lesson and asked the student how do you get a ball in the air? The response is usually, you got to get under it (well actually I do have a dollar for each time they say that). "Got to get under" it leads to Steering, as pointed out by Mike, and Streering gets its job done by Quitting, geometric disaster.

Even among "educated" golfers, right up there has to be a misunderstanding of hinge action (so obviously, if you don't know about the "label" of hinge action you have even less hope). Specifically, that nothing has to be tried with the hands to execute proper hinge action. The left hand/wrist should be programmed to be in a certain condition (postion relative to a basic plane).
But there is no roll of anything, there is "roll." (imparted by orbiting torso and/or arms). The natural, unfailing hinge assembly is the left shoulder. If you know this, there is no reason in the world to wrongly divert "down and out", "down and out" (of the HANDS - which in turn control the clubface) will be diverted, at the proper time, by the hinge assembly.

It's In Your Brian
 

How about because your brian is in the Clubhead, not in your Hands?

And it's Sister snare - hitting at the ball instead of swinging right through it.

Release for no Lag.
 

Or early release, the intent to make the clubhead fast right from the beginning.

A FORWARD LEANING SHAFT indicates "Lag".

A Growing List
 

The belief that Effort is Power.

The reason is that the golfers first priority is to hit the ball.

Nuff said.

Details:

The beginner has no chance to produce a pivot that will magically (hands-controlled pivot or proper pivot controlled hands) deliver the hands to the currect position in order for the clubface to hit the ball.

So what happens is that the eyes order the hands to manipulate and manufacture a move that will actually deliver the clubface to the ball.

Unfortunately any presence of lag is lost in the process.

JMO

I really like that one because. Once i was explained that. I understand how to lag and throw at ease.

ie :

Wrist power moves the clubhead.

Pivot and Elbow power moves the grip.

No active wrist power should be used.

Because people don't realise they need forward lean and lag. ..even those that have it don't realise how important it is.

Trying to hit the ball in the air is up there too...

Wrist
 

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Sounds like Nuke could be a Hitter. Swingers often use a Non-Automatic Left Wrist Throw, which does activate the Clubhead. If Rhythm is maintained, and Hinge Action is understood, the Swinger can, and should still have Lag while using a Left Wrist Throw.

OR...have you found that the Automatic Left Wrist Throw(Release) is the way to go(superior) for Forward Lean and Lag?

Ops.. In fact a swinger most of the time.

its Pivot and/or Elbow power that moves the grip.

I think I am doing random automatic for swing, random Sweep for hit.

Elbow power? Right Shoulder Thrust!

Ok.. I actually meant for hitting and swinging.

its the Elbow and/or Shoulder Thrust, moves the handle ..

One thing I discovered with a little help from Rob Noel this weekend is when you truly release Power Accumulators 2 and 3- the right arm does nothing but guide PP3 to the ball. Truly inert.

Do tell . . . more please . . .

Nothing much to tell.
I do have a bad habit of holding onto the throw- even though I know better, really trying to go deep into the swing- which causes too little uncocking and roll by the time Impact occurs. Rob pointed this out one morning before the classes started and we talked about the release of acc2 and when acc3 rolls. It is really ugly looking in a still photo using a Sweep release because uncocking is finished near the right leg -a frozen milli second in a still picture- but not in real time since it is so fast.
Anyway. I realized I was 'holding' to go deep when I should be freewheeling that small pulley. That means the right arm is in NEUTRAL – not Drive. Drive is a brake unless you are the “Flash.” An inert right arm is key when Swinging. The right arm guides as part of the right side of the Flying Wedges. Don’t let it hold you back.

I think the number one reason for no lag (pressure) is because either the clubshaft is off plane, or even if the clubshaft is on plane, the right shoulder is not in the right place to support the on plane clubshaft.

International Studies
 

Great stuff, Tongzilla. Welcome back!

P.S. How's Oxford?

:salut:

Oxford? As in Oxford NC??? Wow that boy's movin' up in the world. That's just up the road from Butner where the keep the nutjobs (Mike O) and all the bedwetters (Mike O).

Tong scream at me I'm about an hour up the road we'll go eat some Eastern NC style pig. Oxford is cookin' with gas man. Most people there have jobs where you don't have a patch with your name on your shirt.

Good for you!!!

On the Road With Tongzilla
 

Oxford, North Carolina?

Just one continent off, Bucket.

That would be Magdalean College, Oxford...

As in the United Kingdom.

http://www.magd.ox.ac.uk/history/intro.shtml

Our man Tong travels, Bucket.

And travels well!

How'd I screw that up? Is X not a consonant anymore? A E I O U and sometimes X . . . Yeah you got me. I always was better at the cypherin' than the readin'.

Thanks guys :)
Don't know if I should just nod and accept the greeting or point out that I've just graduated from UCL (University College London)

Answer-overacceleration.

Well done Tongzilla.That must have been 3-4 years right?-Hard work:occasion: