At what point does basic become acquired and then full
 

Hi there
I would like to know using a imaginary clock, and say your address position is 6 o'clock,
At what position on the clock do you think the take away would change from a basic to a aquired and then a full swing and the same with the follow through.
Sat we used the left arm as the hand of the clock,
This may sound like a silly question but if is so simple to use clock lines to assist in the transition between positions and to simplify the moves using a mirror.
Any help would be great here.
Regards
Addam

I would think that in basic motion the left wrist would move to 5oclock on the way back and through to 7 oclock for, for aquired motion the left wrist would move to 3 oclock on the backswing and through to 9 oclock, and on the full swing the left wrist would move to 1oclock for me and to 11oclock in the followthrough. if i am wrong with this please correct me

Aquired
 

I think it is once you cock your left wrist.

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I don’t see the relevance of a clock face when learning Basic or Acquired Motions. You monitor the Hands, not the clubhead and the clock face lies flat- not on an incline, the clubhead like the hands travel up and back.

The ball is located on the Base Line- a straight Line that is attached to the Inclined Plane. Trace the Base Line, sometimes called the Incline Plane Line, with the Hands. The clubhead will take care of itself on your clock face. The Mind is in the Hands, not the clubhead.

Basic Motion is the clubhead moving two feet in both directions from the ball. Trace the straight Base Line with the hands and you will see the clubhead move in an arc. Trace Linear- Clubhead moves in an Arc. As Homer says, the only thing the moves in a curve is the clubhead.

Acquire Motion is Basic Motion that ‘acquired’ a motion. A slight weight shift, a shoulder turn, a wrist cock, roll, release and a follow-through.

Acquire Motion is still a Linear tracing of the Base Line with the arms not going past parallel to the ground. Clubhead should be pointed skyward.

Clock
 

Your question- your answers
Basic- 7 to 5
Acquired- 8 to 4
Full- individually determined depending on flexibility, etc.-

Really? What goes from 7-5 or 8-4?

If it is the clubhead- AM would be 9-3 since the arms go to parallel.

And going to any of these clockface numbers can be done without traveling on an Incline Plane- and what does that get you?

The Clock
 

Mike,
I assumed via his question that he was looking for a non-golfing machine answer- since he liked the left arm and clock analogy for adjusting swing length. I just gave him my own quickie answer- making my own "Golfing Machine Translation". Regarding "what does that get you"- you'd have to ask him. I assumed he was just taking a three dimensional movement (inclined plane motion)- and converting it into a 2 dimensional measuring system (the face of the clock) for determining length of swing in a mirror. In a similar sense you do the same thing with angle of approach measurements etc.- taking a three dimenisonal movement and looking at it in a 2 dimensional format.

I did like your previous post- in that you said you should monitor the hands and not the clubhead. Probably would have been a good idea for Homer to measure the basic motion length via hand motion and not clubhead motion so that the focus is in the right place.

I thought so at first, too. But I don't think a measurement is what Homer wanted for Plane Line tracing Hands. Basic Motion Curriculum could have been clearer but that is what AIs are for. And it was- "Non-Technical -- Simplified"

Hi Guy's
Thanks for your replies,
I got anwsers I was looking for. I beleive that it is almost impossible to use a clock system to train the hands to determine positions on movements with the golf machine.
I know Pelz uses it for distance relating to length of the swing for the short game and I was thinking is it possible to help others to understand the shift from Basis to the Acquired positions.
What I have in my studio for teaching is a swing plane board and a Large mirror opposite the board. when I swing and just feel positions it feels good. but when I look in the mirror which has lines it does not feel right.
What feels right to me is 2 feet back 2 feet through for a basis and once past that point and I start to use the hinge it becomes a acqiured motion.
I am going to stick with feel rather than points of change that pelz uses.
Yoda's videos with collin sum it up 100%.
Thanks for all your feedback guy's
Hope this makes sense.
Thanks Guy's
Addam

Good Luck!
 

Good Luck with the teaching and the game. I have to admit now- I have no idea what your question was- how it was answered- what your intent was, etc.- nor do I need or want to know.:eyes:

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I got a question..


Do you guys teach Basic motion with One or 3 accumulators?

Mike,

Shouldn't Basic and Acquired end in the same spot because both swings are going to follow through (both arms straight)???? So they both would end at 5 o'clock let's say.


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B-Ray

Basic Motion and Acquired Motion
 

First, I'd like to adjust my previous post where I said "In the Golfing Machine the Right forearm level to the ground is the measurement for acquired motion". and say that Acquired motion is any motion that has a backswing end, after the Basic motion (About two feet with the clubhead) and does not "exceed the level-to-the-ground position of the Right Forearm". (There - got that one out of the way!) (Realizing that Basic, Acquired and Full Motion- really are slower motions- look, look, look "drills"- learning situations)

B-Ray Quote:
"Shouldn't Basic and Acquired end in the same spot because both swings are going to follow through (both arms straight)???? So they both would end at 5 o'clock let's say."
Where both arms become straight at the same time (the end of the follow-through) is primarily determined when the hands are in a mid-body location (ruling out clavicle adduction and abduction). In Basic Motion with no shoulder turn- you'll reach follow-through sooner than in Acquired Motion where you have some shoulder turn/movement that creates a more turned body through impact and the end of the follow-through interval- all other things being equal.

Assuming there is upper body rotation from impact to the end of the follow-through- then his definition in 8-11 isn't really a good one- as he uses impact shoulder location as the determining factor of when the end of the follow-through interval would be acheived.

Hope that helps.

Mike O,

Thanks for the reply......so you're saying that the pivot carries the follow through a little further up the clock in Acquired Motion.

I get it. Thanks for clarifying.

Always Learning.

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B-Ray

Same with me- I just have a "few" years on you! However, I'd love to turn back the clock to when I was 25!

I don't teach ,but Basic motion should be done with only acc #s 1and 4.
Acquired Motion ,strictly speaking ,has zero pivot -except shoulder turn.

Please . . . there's no difference between you now and 25 . . . you still have the same mullet, bad breath, stank feet, and butter sticks for teeth . . . you just have more nose and ear hair and less brain cells. What's the difference? You just need Foghat to make a new album and you're golden.

Hey Festus . . . I think we have a Forum Rules violation here . . . this is way beyond PG-13 I think.

Welcome back Ned. You were missed in a very odd way.
What did you and MikeO do to the site?
I come home from watching the new Bourne movie and its locked up. MikeO was the last guy doing something before it crashed. Did you tell him he was a hack?

Hacking
 

HA HA! Bagger - I got the hacking joke!- regarding my golf swing! But when I received no phone calls regarding the Bucket not posting and there was no verification that he would be posting- Well- If I'm going to quit- I thought I would bring down the whole site! I think from now on I'll be treated with more respect around this place! I'd hate to have to hit that button again! Sorry to make this short but I've got some home work to do - for my next Bucket post!