Basic Motion and CF
 

I am working on Basic Motion. When I try to roll my hands through impact actively, I am more successful at getting a FLW at impact with the shaft leaning forward than when I try to allow the hands to roll as a result of centrifugal force. My problem is that I am trying to be a swinger rather than a hitter, and I feel that the active movement of the hands is more a hitter's motion than a swingers. If I am trying to swing, what should the feel of roll be like in Basic Motion? Do I have consciously to make my hands roll into impact position, or should CF be sufficient? Thanks for your help.

RP

Basic Motion is a hitting procedure...actuating power accumulator #1 and pressure point number 1...zero pivot, minimal shoulder motion

You can also swing during the Basic Motion if you are using a Pull minor stroke per 10-3-D.

A couple of questions...

Can there be turning of the left wrist in the basic motion?

If I use the left thumb to push the clubhead down during basic motion am I using a hitting technique?

Basic Motion is BASIC MOTION, neither a Swing or a Hit procedure. Two feet back two feet through- zero pivot.
No time to pull the shaft in a straight line so it may feel more like a hit, BUT Hit or Swing the right arm straightens past low point.

Acquired and Full motion adds the Hit or Swing components.

Basic Motion 1-L-7 Stage 1 the lever assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it...2 feet back and 2 feet through is active driving of pa #1..some would call this hitting

Welcome
 

Good thread!

Welcome to the LBG forum TB!

From what I was taught through basic motion is my left arm pushing my right arm through the stroke (LEFT HANDED) I use an angled hinge for this procedure which would give my right arm , left arm for you, a half roll

learning curriculum
 

Basic Motion is a Motion not an Action. It is a curriculum to teach the motion through the ball that includes both arm motions, the Flying Wedges, PPs 2 and 3, Rhythm, Extensor Action and clubface alignment through all the Hinge Motions. Along with Plane and Stance lines, foot action, etc under a Stationary head. A lot goes on at the bottom of the Circle. It teaches.

Now, if you use Basic Motion as a chip shot than it would be an Action. You can then decide if you want to pull a zeroed out acc#3 with PP3 or push the Right Arm acc#1 through pp1 and 3. It will look the same. The Flying Wedges are the same. The power action is different.

Basic Motion is a learning curriculum.

Yep yep . . . key words being PUSH or PULL.

See a very good post in the archives Chapter 12 "12-5-0 The Basic Motion Curriculum"

From this, per Yoda:

"As stated in 12-5-0, the items in each of the Three Stages are meant to be
interpreted per the Stroke Patterns of 12-1-0 (Hitting) and 12-2-0
(Swinging). In other words, if you are learning to Hit, then the Right
Arm becomes active, and Pressure Point #1 becomes its Direct Drive. If you
are learning to Swing, then the Left Arm becomes Active, and
Pressure Point #4 becomes the Direct
Drive. "

I wouldn't be afraid of feeling a lot of activity in the hands, hit or swing, basic motion or full stroke. Positions of the hands may be frozen, but you are very, very busy actively sensing pressure.

So how does a swinger activate PP #4 in basic motion?

Of course it won't accelerate the beginning of the down sroke as in a full stroke but any left arm motion is acc#4 in Basic Motion.

A student should be able to do basic Motion as a Hitter and a Swinger and do all Hinge Rhythms.

Acquired Motion begins the addition of a weight shift, Acc#2 with the wrist cock and wrist roll into follow through.

At first, it is far more important to learn motion and geometry from Basic Motion than how to activate power accumulators.

See comdpa's post (earlier in thread). See also where this is referenced in the referenced archived post.

First question: Yes, although you may want to consider the wisdom of so many things moving in such a short stroke.

Second question: No, you are using extensor action per 6-B-1-D

Thanks Slinger!

When reading 6-B-1-D he says "...use #1 pressure point and pull on the left thumb..."

The #1 pp is to the side of, or rather behind the thumb. I can only see pushing being the action. What is meant when he said "pull"?

You are pulling the left arm via the thumb with pp#1(right handed)-extensor action.

Aha, pulling the arm via the thumb by pushing with #1PP.

Yes - in the direction it is pointing toward the ground, NOT at the ball, unless you have zero accum #3 (no angle between the left arm and club). In nearly all cases, you will have some amount of accum #3.

Extensor action is a stretch 'below plane'.

if I may add:

Below the Plane of the Right Forearm not the tugging inline plane of the Left Arm.

Is there a slight sense/feel of uncocking during the first part of this extension?

Another question...when the right forearem in on plane at address, which plane is the right wrist on?

If the forearm is on plane at address, then the wrist, hand and club shaft, by association, must also be on the same plane. Assuming that the plane you refer to is forearm in line with the shaft.

Thanks Burnmeister!