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bambam 04-10-2007 08:38 PM

Tiger's Driver Practice
 
After Tiger made bogey on 17 and 18 during Saturday's round, he stormed over to the range to work out his driver. I thought it would be fun to watch, so I followed. He had an interesting drill he was doing under the watchful eye of Hank Haney where he would tee up two balls about 4 or 5 inches apart, then using very light lag pressure he would literally drive the first one into the ground. The ball would hit the ground about 10-20 yards out then roll out about 150 yards. He then immediately stepped up and hit the next ball normally.

What do you think he was trying to feel or work on with this drill?

Mike O 04-10-2007 09:08 PM

Tiger
 
I heard through "private" channels, that on the first ball he was trying to understand what it is like to be 12 Piece Bucket. The second one - what it is like to be Tiger Woods. My channels could be mixed up but that's what I heard.:violent:

Bigwill 04-11-2007 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bambam (Post 40537)
After Tiger made bogey on 17 and 18 during Saturday's round, he stormed over to the range to work out his driver. I thought it would be fun to watch, so I followed. He had an interesting drill he was doing under the watchful eye of Hank Haney where he would tee up two balls about 4 or 5 inches apart, then using very light lag pressure he would literally drive the first one into the ground. The ball would hit the ground about 10-20 yards out then roll out about 150 yards. He then immediately stepped up and hit the next ball normally.

What do you think he was trying to feel or work on with this drill?

I remember him talking about this drill at the grand slam of golf champions clinic. He'd try to hit every club in his bag 150 yards with a full swing. I think it's a sequencing drill, but don't quote me on that.

Amen Corner 04-11-2007 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 40538)
I heard through "private" channels, that on the first ball he was trying to understand what it is like to be 12 Piece Bucket. The second one - what it is like to be Tiger Woods. My channels could be mixed up but that's what I heard.:violent:

No, the jungledrums delivered the same message over the pond....:laughing1

12 piece bucket 04-11-2007 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 40538)
I heard through "private" channels, that on the first ball he was trying to understand what it is like to be 12 Piece Bucket. The second one - what it is like to be Tiger Woods. My channels could be mixed up but that's what I heard.:violent:

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Originally Posted by Amen Corner
No, the jungledrums delivered the same message over the pond....

Mikey and A.C. sittin' in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g.

First came love.

Then came marriage.

Then came Mikey with a hacksaw, a can 10-W-40 and a roll of duck tape . . .

A.C. when you play with fire . . . you end up in a dankazz basement hole putting lotion on your skin or else you get the hose again.

TIGER WOODS Y'ALL!!!!

Uppndownn 04-11-2007 10:15 AM

You guys messin?
 
You guys messing with my buddy Buckets?

(I liked it)

Mike O 04-11-2007 11:56 AM

Teeing up
 
Hey, when you have an administrator of the forum "Teeing it up"- there is an obligation- a duty - to "Hit it"! Or "Swing at it"! Your Choice.:eyes:

P.S. If you didn't know - BamBam - is in the dog pound, in the house, on our side- if you know what I mean:wink: The "Bucket Brigade" is a very small contingency!:(

Please Bucket - don't respond to this post! I don't want to have to escalate this war into a more intensified attack.

I won't be posting for the next 24 hours as I'll be down at Home Depot gathering some supplies- you know WD-40, etc.

EdZ 04-11-2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bambam (Post 40537)
After Tiger made bogey on 17 and 18 during Saturday's round, he stormed over to the range to work out his driver. I thought it would be fun to watch, so I followed. He had an interesting drill he was doing under the watchful eye of Hank Haney where he would tee up two balls about 4 or 5 inches apart, then using very light lag pressure he would literally drive the first one into the ground. The ball would hit the ground about 10-20 yards out then roll out about 150 yards. He then immediately stepped up and hit the next ball normally.

What do you think he was trying to feel or work on with this drill?

With the alignments Tiger has now, specifically his weaker left hand grip, he must have exact Rhythm and/or 'do' something in the downswing to ensure a square clubface. If he tries to go at full power, free wheeling it, he'll go right every time.

In a nutshell, his flying wedges are out of alignment and he has to compensate 'manually'. He needs to take his grip at impact fix.

A tribute to his outstanding hand/eye coordination that he can still be on the top of the leader boards with that approach. It can be useful for improved clubface/distance control on shorter shots however.

The full swing/short distance drill is a great one for Rhythm, especially for swingers.

12 piece bucket 04-11-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EdZ (Post 40583)
With the alignments Tiger has now, specifically his weaker left hand grip, he must have exact Rhythm and/or 'do' something in the downswing to ensure a square clubface. If he tries to go at full power, free wheeling it, he'll go right every time.

In a nutshell, his flying wedges are out of alignment and he has to compensate 'manually'. He needs to take his grip at impact fix.

A tribute to his outstanding hand/eye coordination that he can still be on the top of the leader boards with that approach. It can be useful for improved clubface/distance control on shorter shots however.

The full swing/short distance drill is a great one for Rhythm, especially for swingers.


Eldrick's Wedges are screwed up at what point in the motion? I thought his alignments at the Top anyway looked great on the cover of GD this month. IMO he's got an over-acceleration issue on the righties?

12 piece bucket 04-11-2007 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 40582)
Hey, when you have an administrator of the forum "Teeing it up"- there is an obligation- a duty - to "Hit it"! Or "Swing at it"! Your Choice.:eyes:

P.S. If you didn't know - BamBam - is in the dog pound, in the house, on our side- if you know what I mean:wink: The "Bucket Brigade" is a very small contingency!:(

Please Bucket - don't respond to this post! I don't want to have to escalate this war into a more intensified attack.

I won't be posting for the next 24 hours as I'll be down at Home Depot gathering some supplies- you know WD-40, etc.

Mikey . . . you KNOW you can't get in Home De-Pot after what you did with that grout and the PVC pipes.

You need to calm down. You know how your rash flares up when you get "emotional." I put that Barney tape you love in the 8 track player for you this morning. Go in there and rock a little bit. It's going to be OK little buddy.

bambam 04-11-2007 01:40 PM

I thought it might be the standard lag pressure drill where you hit 1 club different distances, but it looked weird to see his drive hit the ground 10 to 20 yards out from his tee. I think if I tried to hit my drive 150 yards, I'd have more carry...maybe not...maybe I'll try it :-)

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Originally Posted by EdZ (Post 40583)
In a nutshell, his flying wedges are out of alignment and he has to compensate 'manually'. He needs to take his grip at impact fix.

I thought you could take your grip however you'd like as long as the left wedge is intact? Are you just saying with the alignment he's chosen, it's hard to keep the left wedge intact and maintain rhthym? What's stopping him from taking that weaker left hand grip if he takes his grip at fix?

bambam 04-11-2007 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 40582)
P.S. If you didn't know - BamBam - is in the dog pound, in the house, on our side- if you know what I mean:wink: The "Bucket Brigade" is a very small contingency!:(

I don't want to get drug into this, and I definitely don't want to find out why you need 10-W-40, but I thought I was Bucket's cousin?

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...d.php?t=4428#9

EdZ 04-11-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bambam (Post 40588)
I thought you could take your grip however you'd like as long as the left wedge is intact? Are you just saying with the alignment he's chosen, it's hard to keep the left wedge intact and maintain rhthym? What's stopping him from taking that weaker left hand grip if he takes his grip at fix?

If he were to take the weaker grip at fix, wedges intact, it wouldn't be an issue (although he would have a weak left, and would need a slightly stronger right hand grip IMO).

The problem is that with his current grip, if he goes to fix and has both wedges in place, the clubface would be open. A slight arch to the left wrist is needed, which again tends to an open clubface, and is at best a 'manual' in-swing move.

Not bad if your hinge action/swivel is in good shape, and you want to always hit a fade (Hogan), but Tiger often appears to slip back into adding a bit of 'hit' with the right arm, appearing to put his clubface control in his right hand at times to save the shot.

Not a big change in his grip, a matter of a slight turn. He tends to setup/grip better with the short irons naturally from what I see. He is fighting alignments, rather than using them to his advantage.

Mike O 04-11-2007 08:59 PM

Bucket
 
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 40586)
Mikey . . . you KNOW you can't get in Home De-Pot after what you did with that grout and the PVC pipes.

You need to calm down. You know how your rash flares up when you get "emotional." I put that Barney tape you love in the 8 track player for you this morning. Go in there and rock a little bit. It's going to be OK little buddy.


You're good!:pray:

12 piece bucket 04-11-2007 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 40616)
You're good!:pray:

Kiss and make up?

bambam 04-11-2007 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EdZ (Post 40613)
The problem is that with his current grip, if he goes to fix and has both wedges in place, the clubface would be open. A slight arch to the left wrist is needed, which again tends to an open clubface, and is at best a 'manual' in-swing move.

Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification, EdZ

Mike O 04-11-2007 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 40617)
Kiss and make up?

You got it- Grease Man.:happy3: Didn't want to get BamBam too excited.

psheehan 04-12-2007 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by EdZ (Post 40613)
.... but Tiger often appears to slip back into adding a bit of 'hit' with the right arm, appearing to put his clubface control in his right hand at times to save the shot.

Ed,
It seems to me that this has been the crux of his problem forever. He uses that initial rotional speed from his hips and then almost requires the right arm to catch up, that interferes with cf and he manipulates the hands to square the face. It becomes more of an issue with the driver... I think he'd be a huge candidate for TGM... he is analytical as all get out, and if he understood what was actually happening I believe he'd be able to change... instead of adding compensations, which is what he always appears to do. Am I close?

12 piece bucket 04-12-2007 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by psheehan (Post 40666)
Ed,
It seems to me that this has been the crux of his problem forever. He uses that initial rotional speed from his hips and then almost requires the right arm to catch up, that interferes with cf and he manipulates the hands to square the face. It becomes more of an issue with the driver... I think he'd be a huge candidate for TGM... he is analytical as all get out, and if he understood what was actually happening I believe he'd be able to change... instead of adding compensations, which is what he always appears to do. Am I close?


I think you are all over it. Overacceleration is the menace that stalks all lag and drag. He overloads #4 I think. I think the alignments in his power package look great for Swinging right now. Looks like if he could learn "let" instead of "make" on those driver moves he'd be stanknasty. His move looks better than ever to me right now for swinging anyway.

Bagger Lance 04-12-2007 12:23 PM

Kiss'in and Cousins?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bambam (Post 40589)
I don't want to get drug into this, and I definitely don't want to find out why you need 10-W-40, but I thought I was Bucket's cousin?

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...d.php?t=4428#9


Dude - Anybody that plays the muni's shirtless is a cousin.

According to the scorecard, Willie Nelsons course outside of Austin allows Thongs only, but since it's restricted to women that rules Bucket out.

MikeO has the PVC and grout thing going. Is that what they snort in SoCal these days? Things have changed since I left there.

12 piece bucket 04-12-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 40675)
Dude - Anybody that plays the muni's shirtless is a cousin.

According to the scorecard, Willie Nelsons course outside of Austin allows Thongs only, but since it's restricted to women that rules Bucket out.

MikeO has the PVC and grout thing going. Is that what they snort in SoCal these days? Things have changed since I left there.

Once Mikey raises the funds for the "operation" . . . he'll be teein' it up with Willie sans willie.

Is there something wrong with cuzins?

Back to the Krispy Kreme fund-raising 12 piece boxes . . . Mikey's got a gun.

bambam 04-12-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 40675)
Dude - Anybody that plays the muni's shirtless is a cousin.

Bucket! I didn't know you had so many cousins in central Indiana?


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