LW Uncocked
 

Is it "normal" in a good swing for the left wrist to get to the uncocked condition purely by the action of centrifigual force? What would the ramifications be of "only" getting from cocked to level with the left wrist? Is it even possible to go from cocked to level and not get to uncocked?

I've been focusing a bit more over the last few range sessions on ensuring the left wrist gets to the uncocked condition after impact. It's a different feel .......... slightly "heavier" through impact and it seems to encourage getting to a good "both arms straight" position. Past video of my swing always shows I have plenty of #3 at impact and a club that wants to go "low and left" pretty quickly after impact (usually exiting between waist and shoulder high as viewed from down-the-line). I've never felt like I achieved as much extension at the end of the follow-thru position as I should (sort of like having plenty of "down and forward" but not enough "out").

Could merely the intent of getting the LW uncocked after impact can fix some other issues?

I hate to think I've been "quitting" all these years. :(

CG

The action of the Left Wrist and Left Arm Flying Wedge is essentially a HAMMERING motion. Get your hammer out and hammer some crap. Hammer in a vertical plane. Watch how your wrist works. See how the handle of the hammer works in the plane of your left arm . . . say hello to your Left Arm Flying Wedge. He is your pal. Now put your hammer down and pick up your golf club. Hammer with it just like you were hammering a nail in a vertical plane just outside your left shoulder (low point). Slam the club into the ground. Let your wrist FULL UNCOCK. Hey you just met Full Lever Extension. He is also your pal.

Now that you know how (and knew how) to hammer in a Vertical Plane. What have you learned? Did you hit with the hammer? Or did you swing the hammer? Did you let the weight of the hammer uncock your left wrist? Or did you use your wrist muskles? Maybe you did both . . . which one works better?

Now with your left hand only hammer on an INCLINED PLANE instead of a Vertical Plane. Forget about where you strike the ground at first. You probably will strike the ground way up plane not even close to the ball. Just get the feel of hammering on the inclined plane and going to full extension. Not to hard right? You just met Throw Out Action. He's your pal too. It's very similar to the hammering on a vertical plane no? I mean you have a plane line in both right? In both motions your first move is to drag the butt of the hammer/club toward the respective plane line right? Then the uncocking begins either with you using your musklez to do it or "letting" it happen via CF. I'd argue that "letting" is the way to go.

Now the question is this here . . . how do you get the club to bottom out IN FRONT OF THE BALL? Well what you DON'T want to do is to BEND YOUR LEFT WRIST (HORIZONTAL MOTION) to get to the ball. Horzontal Motions ain't for Downstrokes a'tall. OK genius then how do you do it? With a ROLL or ROTATIONAL MOTION. The Rotation or Swivel of the Left Wrist brings the clubhead forward to get to the ball. Keep in mind that you are Uncocking but NOT FULLY UNCOCKED AT IMPACT (unless you want to hit a weakazz shot). You are LEVEL at Impact and Uncocked at both arms straight. You want some accumulator left to drive the ball into the ground. If you wrist is uncocked you lost your down too early . . . Premature Down Disfunction.

So now that you got the components of the Release down separately . . . forget about that crap. You can drill them but then you have to go to . . . I'm taking the pressure points DOWNPLANE and letting the other crap work itself out because I know how it works and I have trained it. At least I think that's what you should do.

Holla.

Wow!
 

Bucket ole buddy,

You have outdone yer own self with this post!

Wow !! :salut:

Yer buddy Upp in still snow covered Ohio

A Bucket of Pearls
 

Nice post Bucket,

When people really understand 4-D-O and 2-P; that Wristcock is a Clubhead motion and Rolling is a Clubface motion (in most cases) and the two are seperate but coordinated, their game will go to a new "Level". All this is done by Monitoring the Hands.

As Mr. Kelley stated, "The Hands become adjustable clamps with two power actuators- for Vertical and Rotational manipulation. The Left Wrist is merely a hinge-pin allowing Wristcock but no Wristbend."

Notice he left out Horizontal Wrist motion, the number one cause for the motion to breakdown.

Norrin Radd Surfer dude,

As one of the most well versed teachers of The Golfing Machine . . . what do you do with your students to bridge the gap between the Uncocking and the Rolling? I think the Uncocking part is the easy part it's the blending of the two that seems to be hard.

What's the scoop chicken poop? Or better not to scoop the chicken poop?

Drewit,

I'm totally in agreement..... 12-piece has been posting some of his best stuff lately! I understand the vertical motion concept of the uncocking (on the inclined plane) and the sequential release of the swinger, however when I use a hammer I tend to uncock it to a "level" condition in TGM terms. Unfortunately I believe I also do the same in the golf swing which (I think) is undesireable. Have you seen students who can maintain the FLW yet who don't always get to the uncocked condition after impact?

My miss tends to be to the right and I recall somewhere in the book that a miss to the right could mean you're not getting to "both arms straight". (I'm all too familiar with "that wilted feeling"). Consciously trying to get to an uncocked LW after impact seems to help.

CG

I was "that dude" before Eddie Cox schooled me on Full Lever Extension. My concept of Lag was Accumulator Lag on 'roidz (ster not hem). I thought you just had to keep your left wrist COCKED and TIGHT as long as possibly could. You can't get the full DOWN element if you do that plus you'll compromise your plane.

Without seeing it . . . I bet since you miss it right you are not allowing the club to go down and release. Left wrist staying cocked and turned to long. What do your divots look like? Chops or strips?

Eddie Cox is one of the elite best . . . Have you seen 'em . . . tell me have you seen 'em? Why oooooo why did leave? Did he goooooooo aaaaaaaaway????

One point I want to bring up is that full extension is an ideal. Going to full uncock is certainly a very close approximation from the level left wrist at impact however in some strokes which are mechanically less than ideal this may not be the case. The wrist motions must comply with the angular motion taking place on the inclined plane... which dictates exactly how uncocked the left wrist may be.

Also you do not go to a full wrist uncock at followthrough except for angled hinging.....

I think I remember you said that in swinging the left wrist is fully uncocked just after low point. Is that right ?


What happens after full lever extension ? Does the left wrist recoil back to cocked ?

With Horizontal hinging the wrist will be most uncocked fractionally (and I mean really really really really fractionally) just past low point.

Through the impact interval with Horizontal Hinging your left wrist will recock to some degree... whereas the angled hinging will become more and more uncocked as the left arm gets closer to the plane. Now assuming you do a flat 'flat' left wrist finish swivel - the degrees of wristcock and wristroll become simultaneous and the wrist will cock 90 degrees when the hand is rolled to the plane. Now if you did a flat to the plane regardless of wherever the left arm may be in relation to the plane...well now they become as sequenced as you like bearing in mind where your hinge action is in relation to followthrough and what you were doing there previously.....

How about that cometGolfer ? pretty cool reply from Mathew I think.

Thanx for that reply Mathew.

It is really cool to get such a precise answers from somebody with an amazing knowledge of alignments as you have. I get almost as giddy from your replies as those that I get from Yoda, any of the teachers/pros, mikeO, Bucket, 6Bmike, etc. ..... you know all the big guys that can really compress it.

Thanks again, great answer.

Precision
 

KT,

Amen brother. Nothing like precise answers..... that is one of the benefits of TGM!

Thanks to Mathew and 12 for more fog-clearing.

CG

Can anybody help me out. I'm a bit confused wouldn't fully uncocking the left wrist destroy the right forearm wedge?

Also on a related point is it the right forearm that uncocks the left wrist into impact or is that solely the left wrist job?

Cheers Danny.

If you get your left wrist to fully uncocked and your right forearm wedge breaks down then I think that might be due to incorrect flying wedges. Check your power package alignment and function. Check your bent right wrist to make sure it is frozen.

3-F-6. EXECUTION
"A flimsy Power Package structure indicates lack of Extensor Action (6-B-1-D) and/or neglect of the Flying Wedges (6-B-3-0-1). Or faulty Translation; Or it may be that you are attempting to incorporate incompatible Components as discussed in Chapters 1-K and 13."

As for uncocking the left wrist, you have options. You can use gravity, centripetal force, the straightening of the right arm, or the muscles of both forearms.

2-g and Rhythm
 

danny_shank,

I keep thinking about your question from before: wouldn't fully uncocking the left wrist destroy the right forearm wedge?

I started to think rhythm might be a good way to help this so I looked it up in the index and this was the first reference:

2-G. HINGE MOTION
"The point to be learned here is that the Club, because of the Flat Left Wrist, must always travel at the same RPM as the Arms and reproduce the Hinging intended for the selected Lag Loading procedure (10-19) pre 4-D, 9-2, and 9-3, regardless of Clubhead Extension velocity.

KnighT, this is kind of my point. If the action is controlled by the left wrist if the left wrist goes to fully uncocked then wouldn't this uncock the right wrist as well and destroy the alignment of the clubshaft and the right forearm? it doesn;t seem ideal to me that you have to rely on holding the right wrist frozen to inhibit the left wrists dynamic motion.

I can't say for sure, because I do not yet fully comprehend the flying wedges and the left wrist. We talk alot about the magic of the right forearm here and it is quoted very often. I think it applies here:

7-3. STROKES - BASIC
"Furthermore, in compliance with 6-B-3-0-1, Bending and Straightening the Right Elbow will RAISE AND LOWER the Left Arm and/or COCK AND UNCOCK the Left Wrist without Bending, Flattening, or Cocking the Right Wrist."

If you understand that and have the 3 imperatives you will swing like Brian Gay. Well, maybe not that good. But I bet it can produce a very precise swing.

EdZ has said to use a split grip and I like the feel of that. Give it a try.

Right here, my brother!!! Great to see you continually learning. Great to hear from 6B (PM). I miss you guys and the whole gang Philly, Mike O. YODA, Dr. Orr, MBCPro, etc... Long hiatus from the game, but thinking and practicing constantly. Will return before long and hope to become an integral part of all that Lynn is creating.

EC

He lives! We need to hang! Holla when you come up for air again.

Bump.

This is a great question that was never answered directly. Anybody out there have some good answers to Bucket's question here?

Hmm...
 

I believe if executed correctly, the wedges and bent right wrist are in tact at impact. Full uncocking doesn't happen until after impact at both arms straight.

Also might like to add Danny_shank


The right wrist may feel its uncocked but in fact its not . try to monitor the left wrist uncocked instead. read 7-3 and 2nd video of TT.

take a look at Paul ?Bertholy / Mike bender's drill for arm and body swinging.

Thanks for the info Trig and nuke99 cheers for the references i'll definitely take a look.

This is still definitely a grey area for me. I'm actually seeing an AI for the first time next week :happy3: so i might put the question to him as well.

Roll out the Barrels, we'll have a barrel of fun.
 

The Left Wrist Uncocks only to the Level position (where you still have #3 Accumulator) during Release. If you reach fully Uncocked before Impact, watch out for that Horizontal Left Wrist Bend, because that is what is going to happen at Impact. I see it over and over again; Over-Loading, Over Accelerating, Steering :sad2: .

Differentiating between Uncock and Roll (study 2-P, 4-D-O, re-read them now) goes back to Educating the Hands thru the Pressure Points and practicing the Drill Mr. Kelley put at the end of 4-D-0; both done on the same Delivery Line, driving the ball into the ground, not toward the green. Do it first without a club, then with dowels, then with a club, with eyes open (look, look, look,) then with eyes shut. Over, and Over, and Over; Alignments, Pressure Points, Rhythm, Pace, Acceleration. Let the Mechanics produce the action, the Feel reproduce.

BTW, the Right Wrist is never Cocked and never Thrown.

Elvis just left the building . . .

hall of fame post!

Great post!

So, what is in your opinion the cause for overacceleration?

nuke99,

Do you have a reference for the Bertholy/Bender drill you mentioned above?
If so, could you be so kind as to provide it?

Warmest regards,
Magic

You just wait for what old Norrin Rad Silver Surfer comes up with on this one . . .

Drew Chapman speaks PAY ATTENTION . . . one of the best Machinists to crack a Yellow Book is never to be taken lightly.

Not drewitgolf . . . but I'll take a stab.

1. Misunderstanding of the amount of Loading required to generate a sustainable amount of Lag Pressure.

2. Steering

3. No patience at Top

4. Downstroke Blackout

5. Mind on clubhead not on Hands

6. Attempt to add acceleration rather than allowing CF to travel at the speed it demands

Sure thing my friend .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEm080v6ckY Mike Bender Explaning.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4435 no.5 and no.6 7 8 9 ...

Yes my bucket full of chicken ... all good points.. but how bout for good players or maybe what do good players do to avoid over acceleration? like they will let certain things happen etc.

Experiment with the amount of loading you place on your pressure points. Load max then back off and see what amount you can sustain . . . It surprised me anyway what amount of loading produced the most CONSISTENT results with regards to compression and direction.

Monkey with it . . . I found less was more . . . but may not be that way for you.

for me.. swinging .... light pressure and tight lag is the best word i can describe. but would love to hear more

Thats the thing bucket, in TMG we are constantly told HEAVY is good, that theres a tendancy to strive for too much heavyness that you just can't get it to impact. It's like everything in life it's only good for you in moderation.

Also i think the quick start down for swingers can be misleading, For me anyway when i'm playing well my transition seems to take for ever, my hands feel like their hanging in the air. It requires patience and discipline. I think Fred Couples used to call it 'letting the air out', I like that.

Look closely at this pocket watch as it swing back and forth
 

Essentially it starts with the hypnotic affects of the golf ball that baits you into making the shot, rather than making the motion. It should be the other way arround. Let the Motion make the Shot.

I'll add more later, but Mr. Bucket has hit the nail on the head relating to the effects of that little, white, motionless sphere.

A truly 'swung' set of educted hands can, in my view, feel both heavy, and light during the motion, especially with higher amounts of float loading.

As soon as you are 'loaded', you should feel heavy all the way to both arms straight, at the very least, in the pressure points - ultimately, feeling impact through the entire chain from feet to pressure point #3.

Begin learning the feels of each pressure point with a putter, left hand only, right hand only, both.

Thats probably the best word I heard this year !

Don't leave us hangin'! We'll be here waiting with baited breasts . . . I mean breath . . . always get that wrong for some reason.

Jeeze.. there are young kids here...

Good post EdZ. Something tells me you can play a bit.

I think my hands still have some way to go in their education.