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Accumulators can overlap. Annikian asked us to think about this a while back and today I found in 6-M-1, the last sentence:
"Increase Overlap to increase thrust - decrease Overlap to increase Velocity.

I know a hitter releases accumulators simultaneously and a swinger sequentially. Can a Swinger increase overlapping? Do the words increase and decrease that Homer wrote, apply that both strokes can increase or decrease the overlapping of accumulators?

The answer can come from analyzing ben hogan's stroke and conclude if he is a hitter o a swinger. He said that he released each accumulator a split second later than its preceding accumulator (the nearest to the left shoulder hinge pin, 4, 1, 2, 3 I remember). His description is different from the other alternative: store all the accumulators intact(or most of them) until near to impact, then release all of them almost instantly to getting them into their inline condition (that must be reached only in follow through). So all have started nearly at the same time, and are releasing simultaneously, overlapping. As this occurs with snap release.

I hope I got it right. There is a lot for us to read and understand before fully know the golf stroke.

An excellent question. To a certain degree, since a hitter depends more on thrust, and a swinger more on the speed of CF, I would say that they are dependent on your pattern. That is to say, a swinger is better off trending toward less overlap (sequenced release), and a hitter with more, based on the inherent physics being used.

That said, trigger types/loading action are probably the biggest factors in either case.

More "lag".
 

I believe so, if "lag" can be increased by overlapping accumulators.
I believe so. The only difference is how the club is moved, ie. pulled or pushed, or both.

I think the FIRST step in determining the answer to this question is to DEFINE what Overlapping is . . . then we can move forward from there. This is one part of the Machine that I have a bit of fog on as well. I think a lot of this comes back to the Endless Belt and the diameter of the pulley . . . but not fo' shizzle.

My early thoughts for the Swing Stroke lied within maximum participation with a late snap release (smaller belt ?) but it seemed too obvious and I think a Hitter can only spread them out to decrease thrust like a small chip shot. Maybe this is all it is. Seems logically.

Overlapping? If there is more to this , I believe Acc#4 is overlapped. So is the pivot, maybe pivot Lag overlapped and delayed?

Need coffee.

That reminds me of 6C2D... Are they connected?

Over-Acceleration is the menace that stalks all Lag and Drag. Here it al- lows the Hands to reach maximum speed before reaching Impact and so dissipates the Lag. So the length of the Stroke and the amount of Thrust should be adjusted and balanced to produce a "High Thrust-Low Speed" Impact-"heavy" rather than "quick." Daintiness is dangerous.

Uhm.. does that mean, we should overlap more?....:confused1

Personally I 'guess', for swinging, low thrust High speed and for hitting High thrust , low speed. Can someone explain this in context?

been putting the blow torch in my incubator today...
 

So much in this topic been in my head since reviewing the pp3 video in the gallery. As i said in title... much incubation been going on - like a furnace... may have frazzled some eggs though...see what you think...

for purposes of sanity and simplicity just going to discuss accumulators 1,2 and 3.

Pure Swinger ( assuming triple barrel / standard wrist action / drag loading / pure centrifugal force stuff...)

loading of pp3 occurs at top/end against top of the shaft as per yoda video.

Clubface is turned to the plane

after accumulator 4 releases - the sequence will be 2(wrist cock) and then 3 (roll) - absolutely sequential...no overlap...( but doesn't that mean that left wrist has to go to uncocked before accumulator 3 rolls ???:confused1 ) anyway...

Now does the duration of time that pp3 is held on top of the shaft ( quarter turn) determine the degree of overlap of accumulators 2 and 3??

Whilst pp3 is held loaded on top of shaft ( standard single strong action grip) then the clubface remains open to target and turned to the plane and lag is increased into the downswing ( like CHIII and Sergio)

What are the consequences of moving pp3 back to aft early and late... that is my point really... OR... what lag sensation should one feel in order to control the degree of overlap...any thoughts... thanks

I may be totally off the reservation here . . . but I don't think the PP3 on top or aft thing has anything to do with this . ..

I think it's about Max Trigger Delay??? But who knows . . . sun shines on a dawgs a$$ every now and then.

you may be right... but then what are the hands supposed to feel in order that they might be able to control the degree of overlap?


There must be some sensation that allows for precise adjustment of overlap... just my guess that it had something to do with pp3 rotation...

Wait and see what answers others come up with.

My understanding is that the "overlap" in question has to do with the timing of the release of the accumulators. In other words, no overlap would be "release one... okay, now release two...", and total overlap would be one, two and three simultaneously, with most golf swings falling somewhere between these two extremes. Am I barking up the wrong tree, here???

That's kind of what I was thinking it was too?

i agree with both of you guys!!
 

We all agree but my question is what do some players do /experience in their hands that allows them to alter the release of each accumulator and hence vary the degree of overlap?? is it just delaying the accumulator 2 to max trigger?? . If that were the case then early release would lead to sequential and max trigger delay would lead to simultaneous release... but swingers with max trigger delay would have near simultaneous release also... maybe they do...

What sensation in the hands controls it ( assuming we are hands controlled... but maybe thats it... maybe the pivot is the controller here, stroking his white cat, knowing that all the time he was the mastermind after all!!:laughing9 ... OK now i have flambeed the eggs!)

But do you get what i mean?

we agree that the degree of overlap is a spectrum from Zero overlap( pure sequential) all the way to simultaneous ( no overlap)... BuT that most players are in between.

How do you slide yourself up or down the spectrum? Maybe all you can do is delay your accumulator 2 release...

I may be wrong, but I don't think that there is a singular sensation in the hands that you could use to manipulate an increase/decrease in overlap, if for no other reason than power accumulators 1 and 4 aren't even in the hands. Maybe Lynn or somebody could chime in and shed some light on this one?

changes in aiming point is a factor, however the rest of the 'machine' needs to be adjusted accordingly

Thanks EdZ,

can we group together those changes that need to be made to decrease overlap or increase overlap?