Clearing the right hip
 

The phrase 'Clearing the right hip' on the downswing always conjured up images for me of 'getting the right hip out of the way' (of the right elbow).

Then it was suggested to me by a highly respected member of the TGM community that it really meant 'the right elbow clearing the right hip' ie getting the right elbow past the right hip before the hip turns.

Seems to me to be a lot of difference there. Far be it for me to doubt him, but I still get the impression from other esteemed members of the community that my original thought was right....

So which is it? The right hip getting out of the way so the right elbow can pass, or the right elbow passing before the right hip turns to the ball?

thackrad,

Your original thought was correct. All you need to do is to compare the pictures in 8-6 and 8-7.

If you need more "proof" from the book, just holler...:)

Even TGM instructors are not exempted from "misteaching", therefore if possible, always let the book interpret itself.

Did you say "holler???" Corrupting people across oceans . . . you'll be picking your nose at stop lights with the windows down next! Welcome to the club Slinger.

Ack...do you also flick 'em out???:shock:

. . . . eat 'em.

Alert! Conversation warning! You are approaching the limits of good taste.... :naughty:

Thanks for clearing that up slinger.:)

No Accounting for Good Taste
 

Well done Thackrad!
Chasing Bucket around this place can wear an old guy like me out, and most of the time he's running from Mike O. &H with Mike yelling Good Taste Good Taste!

I may have to pin a deputy badge on you for that one!

Hey buggaeata . . . was that pun intended?

He's back!
 

I was just thinking today- Bucket's turned into plain white bread! Vanilla! Then you fire one out - just like good old times. In my opinion this is one of the best posts in the history of LBG- no offense to Lynn or the team of course!:thumright

Was that a compliment . . . from Mike O????

Taunting
 

Bagger,
Notice how he is taunting me again! :naughty:

Bucket,
I'm tired tonight- but tomorrow I'll bury you!&D:

Bucket
 

Bucket,
Please note Bagger's post #7 in this thread- he is blatantly recruiting on the site. Practically a declaration of war! PM me we're going to need to fortify. Man your battle stations!

Thanks Denny

So what would be your definitive answer on this sequence. Or are you saying there isn't a sequence as such and the hip clears at the same time as the elbow comes through?

Bucket - thanks for your tasty contribution..

Clear the Right Hip
 

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I have also heard this explained in different ways.

1. In the Start Up-- as in Picture 9-1-4 and 9-2-4

2. In the Start Down-- as in Picture 9-1-4, 8-7, and 9-2-7 (In these pictures the Right Hip still appears to still be turned BACK(I have heard this described as "Cleared.")

3. In the Downstroke-- as in picture 9-2-8 ( I have heard this picture described as Clearing a way for the right elbow.

I'm pretty sure there is some information out there on how Mr. Kelley taught this to students.

We should get some chimers on this one.

OK OK we'll whack the dude and all . . . but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't tell me you're back to watching Star Trek again??? Mike . . . I want you to go to your room . . . take off those silly pointed ears . . . stop painting all your inflatable dolls blue . . . stop putting the cat in the Vulcan Nerve Pinch. . . . AND TAKE YOUR MEDICINE.

You know what watching Dr. Spock does to you! It's gonna be just like that time you ate all those cheetoes and called me frantic because you had an orange ring around your . . .

As for Bagger . . . I learned this new thing with a veggie pealer . . . You are going to DIG THIS ONE my friend!!!

Bagger t-minus 3 days . . . call the wife and kids . . . somebody's coming to visit!!!!

Bakdatazzup
 

Mr. Greenjeans told me that the right hip is cleared on the down stroke WHILE IT IS STILL TURNED.

Since starting this thread I've begun to REALLY focus on hitting the back inside quadrant of the ball. I'm starting to find that the INTENT to do this at the top and start down is begining to transmit the message to the right hip to get out the way (without me consiously trying to do anything). I can feel the change in path (from before) and space for it being made.

Does this make sense?

I've just realised this might be what is meant by hand-controlled pivot - am I right? Is this more lightbulbs coming on?

How about moving the hips so you establish a straight line relationship to a straight line?

Thanks thackrad
 

I know this is an old thread but I just wanted you to know that this really helped me. I've never had to think about the startdown waggle (left hip bump), now I know why. My intent to hit the inside aft quadrant of the ball. YES!!!!!

O.k. So in the turn back the right hip moves enough to keep the right elbow in front rather than behind the right hip. Is that correct?
(I lent my book to a cohort and will not see it until tomorrow, hence the question)
Thanks.

Agreed. Most people aim at the back of ball even though it is back of low point, cover the target line and then curse their corresponding out to in path. Their over the top move has its roots in a misconception. The correct geometry of impact is not what one first thinks. Knowledge lends itself to an intent that has a slightly different visual equivalent associated with it.

Its all about tracing a straight plane line (with your lag pressure point), which visually will appear to be (and is) an inside out Delivery Path of the hands and Delivery Line of the clubhead. An inside to out clubhead blur but with a straight divot that points at the target. (That when closely inspected will ideally show a little arc pre and post low point).

With all of this as your intent and your mind in your hands pressure points........the pivot acts accordingly. Its the way we do things all the time. We dont think about our pivot when we throw a ball but we do pivot dont we........and just the right amount. More pressure, more pivot like the outfielder throwing to home plate.

If your not tracing, or watching the blur or covering the angle of approach or something similar, you're probably not on plane. Your divots will tell the story. Walk down the fairways and look at all the divots pointed way left...........Homer figured out why decades ago but it still isnt in the golf magazines. That darned inclined plane of motion makes the geometry so difficult to see and talk about.

Precisely!
Geez, OB, you are so helpful. I could not begin to tell you how many times I refer to your posts for assistance and clarification.
Peace.
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Great post O.B. You senior members are awesome!!

Thanks Jerry

Im only garbeling up things I learned right here. Sign the waiver before trying anything I recommend.

OB

Train the Pivot
 

You gotta train that pivot! Starting with your head centered...set...and still! Centered between your feet...set a impact height...and as still as it can be. I say this in connection with clearing the right hip because I believe swaying hurts your ability to clear the right hip...thereby making it impossible to tilt the axis...thereby making an on plane right shoulder thrust impossible...a head too high at address necessitates a "bob" on the downswing...an uncentered head (over say your right knee) to me is an invitation to sway on the downswing.