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Bagger Lance 02-02-2005 10:06 PM

Any swingers left - Snap Release
 
Boy those hitters sure need a lot of help!!!

Guess us swingers are a happy bunch! :D :D :D :shock:

I know I need some first aid. Anybody ready to tackle my problems???
How about sequencing #2 and #3 for a snap release.

I have a random sweep of #2 and #3. How do you hold it longer into the downstroke?

Ted "The Hitman" Fort gave me the answer in person, but I'd like to hear it from the swing team!

Thanks!!!

Bagger

6bmike 02-02-2005 11:14 PM

Re: Any swingers left - Snap Release
 
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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
Boy those hitters sure need a lot of help!!!

Guess us swingers are a happy bunch! :D :D :D :shock:

I know I need some first aid. Anybody ready to tackle my problems???
How about sequencing #2 and #3 for a snap release.

I have a random sweep of #2 and #3. How do you hold it longer into the downstroke?

Ted "The Hitman" Fort gave me the answer in person, but I'd like to hear it from the swing team!

Thanks!!!

Bagger

Homer did say you can Swing in your sleep. :P

Don't HOLD anything while Swinging. I tend to Sweep with my driver. It may only be my "seems as if" feeling of an earlier throw or an earlier dumping of #3pp on the ball but my #2 #3 uncock and roll is still automatic and perhaps no different then using snap- only "seems as if."

Bottom line is don't hold anything IMHO.

Bagger Lance 02-02-2005 11:33 PM

6B,

I hear ya! But here's what happens...

On a normal swing I begin to uncock and then rolling when the right forearm is parallel to the ground.

When I focus on an aiming point in front of the ball, say for short irons, the dragging of the butt of the club down, down, down creates a much quicker sequence. Then without enough time for roll...there she goes....

Bagger

6bmike 02-03-2005 12:36 AM

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from BL
6B,

I hear ya! But here's what happens...

On a normal swing I begin to uncock and then rolling when the right forearm is parallel to the ground.
:-k

Do you mean you roll after impact when both arms are straight going into follow through? I see the uncocking of #2 and the roll of #3 as almost simultaneous. Sequenced but within inches of each other. Isn't swivel a bit later in the stroke? Sorry if I seem confused - its late. #-o

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When I focus on an aiming point in front of the ball, say for short irons, the dragging of the butt of the club down, down, down creates a much quicker sequence. Then without enough time for roll...there she goes....

Bagger
I have been Hitting with shorter clubs- does this disqualify me from the Swingers fraternity? 8-[

With shorter clubs, the way I see or feel it, I need to actively drive #3pp down on the ball, perhaps using more of a non-automatic snap release. I like to feel I am “digging” the ball off the turf (rough for me) with #3pp- like a knife. I may not roll #3 accumulator as much and proceed to swivel.

6b and out.

nevermind 02-03-2005 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
6B,

I hear ya! But here's what happens...

On a normal swing I begin to uncock and then rolling when the right forearm is parallel to the ground.

When I focus on an aiming point in front of the ball, say for short irons, the dragging of the butt of the club down, down, down creates a much quicker sequence. Then without enough time for roll...there she goes....

Bagger

if your implying a shank, I thinks thats what i'm having trouble with.

MizunoJoe 02-03-2005 07:57 AM

BL wrote "I have a random sweep of #2 and #3. How do you hold it longer into the downstroke?"

From the Top, swing the handle past the ball without moving the clubhead.

Bagger Lance 02-03-2005 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nevermind
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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
6B,

When I focus on an aiming point in front of the ball, say for short irons, the dragging of the butt of the club down, down, down creates a much quicker sequence. Then without enough time for roll...there she goes....

Bagger

if your implying a shank, I thinks thats what i'm having trouble with.

I've had that happen on the range when experimenting with this. Especially with the wedges.

I agree with MJ that you need to swing the handle past the ball without moving the clubhead, but if CF takes over well outside the right thigh, then you can't get there.

The solution for me for both of the above is to make sure I'm applying enough extensor action throughout the swing. It "frees the wrists of considerable responsibility, and adds power package mass" If memory serves. Need to lookup 6-B-1-D again. Ted suggested this to me and at first it didn't click why it would help with a snap release.
In practice, applying extensor action on the downswing (it's not pushing), just holding the power package fairly rigid, allows the wrist to really flail at the bottom with a sequenced uncock and roll. Can anyone else confirm this?

Thanks,

Bagger

mb6606 02-03-2005 10:15 AM

I have a random sweep of #2 and #3. How do you hold it longer into the downstroke?

The smaller the pulley the slower one can swing.

EdZ 02-03-2005 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
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Originally Posted by nevermind
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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
6B,

When I focus on an aiming point in front of the ball, say for short irons, the dragging of the butt of the club down, down, down creates a much quicker sequence. Then without enough time for roll...there she goes....

Bagger

if your implying a shank, I thinks thats what i'm having trouble with.

I've had that happen on the range when experimenting with this. Especially with the wedges.

I agree with MJ that you need to swing the handle past the ball without moving the clubhead, but if CF takes over well outside the right thigh, then you can't get there.

The solution for me for both of the above is to make sure I'm applying enough extensor action throughout the swing. It "frees the wrists of considerable responsibility, and adds power package mass" If memory serves. Need to lookup 6-B-1-D again. Ted suggested this to me and at first it didn't click why it would help with a snap release.
In practice, applying extensor action on the downswing (it's not pushing), just holding the power package fairly rigid, allows the wrist to really flail at the bottom with a sequenced uncock and roll. Can anyone else confirm this?

Thanks,

Bagger

That has certainly been my experience. Extensor action simplifies Rhythm IMO.

Yoda 02-03-2005 12:46 PM

Rhythm Master
 
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Originally Posted by EdZ

Extensor action simplifies Rhythm IMO.

As Homer would say, Ed..."Kee-rect!"

Rhythm in The Golfing Machine is defined as maintaining the In-Line condition of the Left Arm and Club (Primary Lever Assembly) during the Impact Interval (6-B-3-0). The Flat Left Wrist directly controls this Rhythm by executing one of the three Hinge Actions (2-G). This, in turn, determines the unique degree of Clubhead Travel and Clubface Closing from Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight).

However, despite this veneer control of the Flat Left Wrist and its Hinge Action (2-G), it is the straightening Right Elbow -- driven Centrifugally (Swinging) or Muscularly (Hitting) -- that actuates the Roll of the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) through Impact. That being the case, the Right Elbow's Location during Impact will directly and dramatically affect:

1. The amount of Clubhead Travel;

2. The degree of Clubface Closing; and thereby

3. The Rhythm of the Stroke.

There are many things that can disrupt the Right Elbow Location pre-selected at Impact Fix. Among the most important of these is the lack of Extensor Action. Unless the Right Arm is kept constantly stretched, it can stretch at any time, and this 'wobble' factor can be highly disruptive.

But with Extensor Action applied, the Right Arm can straighten only as the Left Arm moves away from the Right Shoulder (6-B-1-0). This produces a smooth, unbroken Acceleration of the Lever Assemblies (6-A-2/3); a consistent Right Elbow Location; and, hence, the correct amount of Clubhead Travel and degree of Clubface Closing throughout the Impact Interval (6-B-1-D #3).

All this is Rhythm...the Third Essential of The Golfing Machine (2-0).

12 piece bucket 02-03-2005 04:35 PM

Re: Rhythm Master
 
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Originally Posted by Yoda
[However, despite this veneer control of the Flat Left Wrist and its Hinge Action (2-G), it is the straightening Right Elbow -- driven Centrifugally (Swinging) or Muscularly (Hitting) -- that actuates the Roll of the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) through Impact. That being the case, the Right Elbow's Location during Impact will directly and dramatically affect:

1. The amount of Clubhead Travel;

2. The degree of Clubface Closing; and thereby

3. The Rhythm of the Stroke.

There are many things that can disrupt the Right Elbow Location pre-selected at Impact Fix. Among the most important of these is the lack of Extensor Action. Unless the Right Arm is kept constantly stretched, it can stretch at any time, and this 'wobble' factor can be highly disruptive.

But with Extensor Action applied, the Right Arm can straighten only as the Left Arm moves away from the Right Shoulder (6-B-1-0). This produces a smooth, unbroken Acceleration of the Lever Assemblies (6-A-2/3); a consistent Right Elbow Location; and, hence, the correct amount of Clubhead Travel and degree of Clubface Closing throughout the Impact Interval (6-B-1-D #3).

All this is Rhythm...the Third Essential of The Golfing Machine (2-0).

Yoda,

Since the Right Elbow actuates the veneer control, could you actually focus your attention on the Right Forearm Flying Wedge in executing Hinge Action rather than the Left Wrist?

Just curious with so much attention on the Right Side in Hitting.

Thanks!

Yoda 02-03-2005 05:26 PM

Two Hands Are Better Than One
 
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Yoda,

Since the Right Elbow actuates the veneer control, could you actually focus your attention on the Right Forearm Flying Wedge in executing Hinge Action rather than the Left Wrist?

Just curious with so much attention on the Right Side in Hitting.

No, Rich, the Hinge Action must remain the responsibility of the Flat Left Wrist, not the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. Repeat after me the following TGM mantra:

Left Hand -- ClubFACE (Alignment).

Right Hand -- ClubHEAD (Acceleration and Guidance).

Homer said he tried and tried to put both functions of the Club into one hand or the other -- but he found no way. Take him at his word, and look elsewhere for the Stroke Pattern improvement that will take you to the next level.

DDL 02-03-2005 07:13 PM

How does one apply/maintain extensor acton on the downswing without pushing , overacceleration and throwaway? Easy to do on the backswing via pulling the left thumb. Doesn't work on the downswing.

EdZ 02-03-2005 07:23 PM

Extensor action is a move 'away from center'.

PP1 is the best place to begin to feel it.

Bagger Lance 02-03-2005 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DDL
How does one apply/maintain extensor acton on the downswing without pushing , overacceleration and throwaway? Easy to do on the backswing via pulling the left thumb. Doesn't work on the downswing.

DDL,

Good question. I've found it's easy to overaccelerate as a swinger when pulling turns into pushing on the downswing. Angled Hinging through impact is a dead giveaway that you are pushing through impact.

That said, Extensor Action is in effect during most of the swing motion 12-3-0, so getting used to managing it is the key. Start by slowing your swing down and learn to keep your right wrist bent, level, and frozen on the downswing while keeping your left wrist uncocking and roll motion loose. No Tension in the left arm, it's just a string you try to keep straight. You may find that slowing your swing actually increases your distances.

Over time, extensor action doesn't feel rigid, tense and quick. The left arm is loose and the right arm is providing just enough pull to keep it straight. It is otherwise passive in most cases. The additional Mass it provides through impact will have the ball sizzling off the face of the club.

I agree with MJ above, when you slow the swing down you have a better opportunity to have an automatic snap release. Reference 6-M-1 for maximum power.

Bagger


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