10-10-c
 

Having experimented with paddle-Wheel motion vs. pure Angled Hinging as per 10-10-C, I can see why Homer said that it is superior procedure(1-F) and greatly simplifies Hitting (10-19-A). When I videoed my motion last week I had significantly more shaft lean with the no-roll of Angled Hinge Action than paddle-Wheel motion. I also had much better structure at the Top. I know that it shouldn't matter, but for me it does.:smile:

Angled Hinging
 

How've you been since the Peach Bowl?

Here's some wisdom by PM from the Green Master:

"The Right Arm Drive-Out causes the paddlewheel action but the Flat Left Wrist and its Hinge Action controls it. Variation in Right Elbow Location during Release will disturb the Clubface alignment. Hence the need for the "veneer control" -- Homer's words -- of the Left Hand over the Clubface. Homer tried for a long time to put control of the Clubhead (and its Acceleration) and the Clubface (and its Alignment) -- in the same Hand (Right or Left) but couldn't find a way to do it effectively. So...

Left Hand -- Clubface.

Right Hand -- Clubhead."

Paddlewheel definition
 

Johngolf33,
The real key - is what do you see as the paddle-wheel motion?

This will turn out to be interesting...Mike, I will be in the spectator stands here. ;)

I could be wrong but my understanding of paddle-Wheel motion is that of the old river boat steamers where the rear paddle-wheel only revolved methodically. As I apply this thinking to golf I would say that the entire club (shaft, face and head) rotates constantly from Top to both arms straight.[-o<

Horizontal hinge the face of the club lays open on the inclined plane. Therefore the club face must constantly close through impact to follow through (like a paddlewheel). Angled hinge the club is not open at the top = no paddlewheel motion.
Easier to visualize if you get out the racquets and try the horz./angled hinges.

My understanding of Angled Hinging is that the club face looks closed at the Top and during the downswing there is a no-roll feel all the way down plane to both arms straight. Isn't this what Homer is referring to in 10-10-C when he said it greatly simplifies Hitting?

flat left wrist and hinge action
 

It's the flat left wrist and hinge action that controls (superior and simplifying), but it's the right arm that causes.

the 'magic'

Paddle wheel references- and writing clarity/ability
 

Paddlewheel references:

Index: Page 240 “Paddlewheel 10-10-C”

Glossary:
Flat and Vertical Left Wrist- example left hand karate chop
Mechanical- The Paddlewheel blade relationship as vertical to its axis of rotation (crosswise) and vertical to its plane of motion (lengthwise).
Golf- Positioning the Left Wrist to be vertical to its Left shoulder Axis and to its Associated Plane during Impact.

10-24-E Automatic Snap Release……….The Paddlewheel Action of Angled Hinging (10-10-C) or the Throw Out Action of Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-0), if unhampered, will whip the Hands and the Clubface into impact alignment per 7-23.

10-19-0 Last paragraph
Hinge action does NOT differentiate Hitting and Swinging. All are interchangeable- with reservations. Hitters using Horizontal Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Right Arm Paddlewheel Action toward Angled Hinging. Swingers using Angled Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Centrifugal Force toward Horizontal Hinging.

10-10-C Angled Hinge Action……This simultaneous “Closing and Layback” procedure holds the Flat Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined Plane (2-D, 2-G). This is identical to the Paddlewheel motion of the straightening right arm but is a superior procedure (1-F). It greatly simplifies Hitting (10-19-A).

10-2-D
The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On Plane- no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.

7-20- 7th edition
Paragraph 2- 1st to last sentence- starting at remember- “Remember, only right elbow feel- neither triceps- or lag pressure- can safely monitor the paddlewheel motion of the straightening right arm for proper clubface closing motion.”

7-18
The Paddlewheel action of the straightening Right Elbow (10-10-C) initiates and sustains the #3 Accumulator Hand Motion (4-D-0) until the Both Arms Straight and zero #3 Accumulator position of Full Extension.

6-B-1-0
Active or Passive, the straightening Right Elbow with its Paddlewheel Action, powers, guides and regulates the #3 Accumulator Motion (seven-eighteen) but not the actual Clubface aligning (1-F).

2-G 2nd paragraph
These motions also duplicate the motions of the paddles of a paddlewheel rotating around an axis vertical to one of the three Basic Planes. And an equivalent term could be “Clubface Paddlewheel Action” executed as a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion.


This gives us some information to work with but before we dig deeper- just a comment/guess on the man and the issues of writing the book.

The amount of effort, intelligence and focus required to produce a piece of work such as the Golfing Machine is enormous- and that focus for accomplishment doesn’t leave room for other items/focuses/skills, that’s really a comment on his intellectual brilliance and the cause of the “blank spots”.

Second, no one would or could help him much- so many areas that should have been accomplished were not, just due to a lack of time due to the obsession and amount of time the researching took.

Finally, there may have been feedback that would have been good but Homer had some particular issue that made him decide not to make an apparent “good” change, i.e. money, etc. According to himself, he was really and primarily a Researcher- not a Teacher, not a Writer, not a Publisher- so he was a great Researcher but not a very good writer- (my opinion). All of the above created this “problem” of the Golfing Machine- on the one hand it’s so precise, detailed, all the puzzle pieces fit (isn’t that great!)- on the other hand- he doesn’t define all his terms, he doesn’t identify his resources as is a common scientific protocol, and in referring to any particular item such as “Paddlewheel”, he changes the context depending on the discussion without clearly identifying the different context- “He expects you to understand the principle i.e. of Paddlewheel and then apply that principle in any particular context i.e. left wrist, right forearm, etc. Whether the expectation for you to apply that principle was conscious (he thought you could do it) or subconscious (he understood the context himself-“well of course” and he didn’t even think about whether others would understand the change in context- from one section to the other), I have no idea.

So I better stop rambling and just complain at this point- Starting at the index on page 240 – for Paddlewheel he has one reference! 10-10-C

Maybe it’s just my obsessive personality but I would have wanted to be thorough (hey I may have missed some- add’em on if I did) and listed the following with their corresponding paragraphs and line numbers (which I didn’t list here)
2-G 2nd paragraph, lines …….
6-B-1-0
7-18
7-20
10-2-D
10-10-C
10-19-0 last paragraph
10-24-E
Glossary- Flat Left Wrist

Will all of those references be in the 7th edition- no. Would or could they help the reader- I think yes.

2nd, I would have defined the term under PaddleWheel in the Glossary and then identified the different contexts that it is used in the book i.e. 1) 2-G left wrist, 2) 10-10-C 1st sentence left wrist, 2nd sentence on-plane right forearm, etc, etc

The whole point comes down to clarity- and the problem why this information has not and will not get out as quickly as it could have. In this Paddlewheel example (see above sections from the book)- he intermingles Right Elbow, Right Arm, etc etc creating confusion for the reader. Could it all be written alot clearer- absolutely! Could it be so much more powerful- ABSOLUTELY!
Feel free to jump in and comment- when I get time I plan to post again in regards to clarifying paddlewheel – even though with all of these posts that everyone has already posted, and this information, it may be obvious by now. And then directly respond to 10-10-C in regards to what it is saying. Plus responding to any other posts.

Paddlewheel
 

Johngolf33,
Old River Boat- exactly correct.
I think you missed Homer's application to the golf swing though- or at least your answer is a little vague in that regard.
More later.

Paddlewheel
 

Paddle motion- Right on Bob!

Applied to golf- Right on again! (As applied to hingng 2-G),

but as in 10-10-C Homer also uses the term for the right arm- so we need to understand that context of Paddlewheel also. More later on that- then I'd like to start at the beginning and apply the concepts to some of the posts and why they missed the mark to some degree.

Magic, pure magic...!

In 10-10-C Homer states that "Closing and Layback" holds the Flat Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined Plane and that this is idential to the paddle-Wheel motion of the straightening Right Arm but is a superior prodedure (1-F). Why would you teach turning the clubface to lie on the Plane at the Top and paddle-Wheeling it down to impact if Homer thought the no-roll of Angled Hinge Action greatly simpifies Hitting? Is the paddle-Wheel motion of the straightening Right Arm more dynamic since it uses more #3 Accumulator than the no-roll of Angled Hinge Action? Just curious.:???:

It appears as though Arron Oberholser uses Angled Hinge Action since his clubface is shut at the Top. He then no-rolls it through impact as Homer states in 10-10-C.:smile:

Differentiating the Fine Points of Angled Hinge Action
 

Three Points:

1. The No-Roll Feel of Angled Hinging produces a Half-Roll of the Clubface through Impact. Only the Reverse Roll Feel of Vertical Hinging produces a No-Roll (Square alignment) of the Clubface (7-10).

2. Both the Hitter using Angled Hinging Wrist Action (10-18-C-2) and the Swinger using Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) arrive at The Top of the Stroke with the Hands Turned on Plane. The difference is that the Hitter got there gradually via the normal Body Turn and Arm Swing whereas the Swinger got there early via the Start Up Swivel. In other words, for Hitters, the Wrists arrive Turned, but they are never independently 'Turned.' Swingers, on the other hand, deliberately Turn their Wrists to the Plane in Start Up and leave them there as they travel Up Plane during the Backstroke.

3. The Paddle-Wheel Right Arm straightening produces the Paddle Wheel Flat Left Wrist Angled Hinge Action (2-G and 6-B-3-0). Hence, the #3 Accumulator Roll is the same no matter whether the player focuses on the Right Arm and its straightening or the Left Wrist and its Hinge Action. However, the Flat Left Wrist exercises the overall control of the Clubface Alignment (Geometry) that has been produced by the straightening Right Arm (Physics). Hence...

Precision G.O.L.F. Mechanics: Structure (Feel through Educated Hands) controlling the Geometry of a Force.

Thanks Oh Jedi Master. I am clear on your explanation, and it is spot on with what you taught me in the swamp. However I am still vexed about exactly what Homer is saying in 10-10-C is identical to paddle-Wheel but is a superior procedure. Is he talking about Left Wrist control is superior to trying to control the clubface with right arm straightening?:???: Secondly, would you ever recommend having a shut clubface at the top with vertical hinging to Hit?

Paddlewheel Patter
 

The issue actually is Clubface Paddlewheel Action (2-G) and whether it is best executed as Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion or Right Wrist Paddlewheel Motion. In either case, both the Left and Right Wrists are held Vertical to one of the three Basic Planes. In the case of Angled Hinging, that Plane is the Angled Plane of the Stroke.

But the Right Wrist Bend -- and hence the Clubface alignment -- is easily disturbed by variations in Right Shoulder Location and its effect on the Right Elbow's Impact Bend (2-H). The Left Wrist is subject to neither of these interferences and is thus best suited to the task of Clubface control.

Regarding the 'Shut' Face with Vertical Hinging, the Left Wristcock is always a Perpendicular Motion (4-B-2), even when executed on the Inclined Plane. And this is true no matter which of the three Hinge Actions are employed. Then, whether the Clubface is Square, Open or Shut (using the conventional terms) at The Top is a function of its alignment during the Grip Routine and any adjustments to the normal Impact alignments of 2-J-1. That is, Grip Type per 10-2-0-1 or Clubface Manipulation (Grip Rotation) per 7-2 or both. And, also, the Ball Location per 7-11, that is, the Clubface aligned more and more Closed (within the Flat, Level and Vertical Left Hand Grip) as the Ball is moved toward the Right Foot.

my first post here...lots of good info mikeo...does this all mean the the left wrist and hand from impact to followthru, remains vertical to the plane?

The Vertical Left Wrist and Its Hinge Action
 

Well, hello there, Olindutra, and thanks for this "first post." :rolleyes:

The Flat Left Wrist and its Roll (Hinge Action) controls the Clubface Alignment (and the Rhythm of the Stroke) during Impact and Follow-Through. In so doing, it remains Vertical to one of the three Basic Planes of motion, i.e., Horizontal, Angled or Vertical. It remains Vertical to the Inclined Plane only during Angled Hinge Action.

P.S. Hope you're having a nice time in Panama City, Brian.

The Flat Left Wrist and its Roll (Hinge Action) controls the Clubface Alignment (and the Rhythm of the Stroke) during Impact and Follow-Through. In so doing, it remains Vertical to one of the three Basic Planes of motion, i.e., Horizontal, Angled or Vertical. It remains Vertical to the Inclined Plane only during Angled Hinge Action.

Dear Yoda,

I know that the Flat Left Wrist is vertical to the Inclined Plane during Impact, and that it is vertical to the Inclined Plane during Angled Hinging. If one gradually rolls the left wrist on the backswing to place it on the Inclined Plane at the Top that is standard procedure for Hitting. But is it an acceptable procedure to keep the Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined plane all the way to the Top and give the appearance of a shut clubface? Or does this violate G.O.L.F.?

Steering To the Top
 

Keeping the Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined Plane to The Top is an unnatural action that counteracts both the natural Body Turn and the natural Arm Swing. It is, in a word...

Steering (3-F-7-A).

It is also the procedure used by no less than PGA TOUR great, Miller Barber. But even the great Miller ultimately had to Fan the Right Forearm or else...

Forever abandon all hope of Power.

Thanks Yoda,

That lifts the fog for me. When I was using 10-5-E it seemed like a viable option.:smile:

Does it make any sense that I would have more Lag at impact when I keep the left wrist Vertical to the Plane all the way to the Top and simply Drive the entire Primary Lever to Follow Through than when I gradually roll the left wrist to on Plane at the Top and Paddle-Wheel all the way to Follow Through?

If You Need Power, You Need On Plane Wristcock
 

No, John, it doesn't make any sense. :) That's because if your Wrist never Turns to the Plane, the Club can never be Cocked On Plane. And that means that the Left Wristcock -- the true Velocity Accumulator -- has been taken out of action.

Not a good thing.

Hitter, Wrist Action and On Plane Clubshaft
 

Does that mean for the Hitter, because he gradually Turns his Left Wrist to an On Plane position at the Top, with the motion of his Arms and Pivot (as opposed with the Forearm itself), that the Cocking of the Left Wrist will cause the Clubshaft to be Off Plane in the beginning of the Stroke?

You may have more 'mass' at impact than you usually do, but you will not have 'maximum power' or speed without taking advantage of physics and cocking the left wrist.

As a hitter (from what you describe) you will be focused more on the loading of the right elbow.

Anyone has an explanation for post #27 above?

The Hitter's On Plane Wristcock
 

Any action that produces an awkward or 'un-golflike' motion is improper execution (3-F-6). And arriving at the Top of the Stroke with the Left Wrist vertical to the Plane as johngolf33 described produces exactly that in spades. It just 'ain't natur'l.'

On the other hand, the move of the Hitter is 'natural' defined. The Wrist Turns on the Backstroke in exact concert with the Body Turn and Arm Swing. As Extensor Action causes the Right Elbow to bend, the Left Wrist Cocks just as it should. Through it all, the Clubshaft remains On Plane with Club pointing at the Line except when they are parallel (1-L #6).

If you were using 10-5-E with Hitting, I assume that you would turn the left wrist going back so that it would lie flat on the Crossline Plane to right field, and that on the downswing the right shoulder would lead down the Crossline Plane to set the Pressure Points for a straight line delivery of the clubhead i.e. Wheel Track. If you were using 10-5-A would you still have a straight line delivery Angle of Approach i.e. Wheel Track, and would the difference be that the clubhead would travel down the Angle of Attack but not cross the Low Point Plane Line to right field?:???:

Rotation of paddle
 

Hi Mike O. You have a handle on Paddlewheel. The visual rotation of the Paddle Wheel gives me problems. Does the wheel
go clockwise or counterclockwise. Seems to me that swinging
with horizontal hinging would use a clockwise rotation with the
left hand rotating clockwise through impact, but with hitting
and angular hinging, the wheel would have to be rotating counter
clockwise to produce the layback. Please help me to get the
visual concept. Thanks, Donn

Paddle Wheel Rotation
 

Mike O, I had the clockwise/counter clockwise backward. Looking
at 10-10-C the arrow of the angle hinge goes clockwise. Would
this not push the boat backward? When a person, in a canoe uses
a hand paddle, he drags the paddle counter clockwise to move
the canoe forward? Maybe EdZ has some thoughts. He had a great
post "Right Arm participation vs Right Arm thrust".
Thanks, Donn

Angle of Approach Versus Angle of Approach Procedure
 

Good question, John. As usual! :)

You would still have a straight line Angle of Approach, but remember, with 10-5-A, you Trace the true Geometric Plane Line. And when you do this, the Clubhead Covers its curved Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach (the Clubhead Blur through Impact and Low Point). It therefore cannot Cover the straight line Visual Equivalent, the Angle of Approach (also through Impact and Low Point).

Hitters using 10-5-E as their Baseline do not Trace the (Geometric) Plane Line of 10-5-A and hence do not Cover its Arc of Approach. Instead, they abandon the Tracing concept altogether and Cover the Angle of Approach, the straight line -- not curved -- Visual Equivalent of the true Geometric Plane Line.

Ah ic....

I finally get that.

You have to pay attention to the differences between the words 'Trace' and 'Cover.'

Covering and Tracing
 

Hitters covering their 10-5-E Delivery Line also indirectly Trace the Geometric Plane Line of 10-5-A (from which 10-5-E is derived from). But the linear force produced by the Right Arm Thrust may cause the Clubhead to go 'above Plane' during Follow Through. Which is alright as the Ball is long gone.

Falling In Love with Your On-Plane Right Forearm
 

I would like to jump in here too. 2-J-3 is WAY different in the 5th edition than the most up to date 6th at this point. There are some things from the 5th that failed to make "the cut." However, I think they are invaluable in the regards of Delivery Lines and Delivery Paths. Here's some stuff from the 5th that I think is particularly ingenius:

First of all the title of 2-J-3 was PLANE LINE EQUIVALENTS in the 5th.

1. Although the Base Line of the Inclined Plane is the true geometrical Plane Line it is not the only Delivery Reference Line available.
2. Locating and "Fixing" the selected Delivery Line (refering to the Clubhead only including the Plane Line) is a mandatory Address procedure.
3. HOW DO YOU SEE THE LINES (Plane Line, Arc of Approach, and Angle of Approach)?
4. Remember per 2-J-1 IMPACT ALIGNMENTS The geometry of all alignments stems form the Impact geometry requirements
5. The above Lines are made visible, and the correspinding Feel of the straight line Lag Pressure Thrust, is established by moving the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft On Plane during the Address Routine.
6. THIS HUGE IMO - Get your Right Forearm On-Plane and you can see the Lines . . . Why?
7. The Right Forearm also presents the correct Angle of Approach and its utilization is FAR SUPERIOR to all other procedures.
8. How do you do this?
9. Get your Right Forearm On-Plane during the Address Routine and Takeaway, adjust the Clubhead Angle of Approach to APPEAR PARALLEL TO THE RIGHT FOREARM.

So what you do is get your Right Forearm On-Plane at Fix. Look at the Line extending down and out to the Plane Line. Now imagine a line running PARALLEL to that line at the Clubhead. That is your Angle of Approach Delivery Line suited for "Cross-Line Hitting."

Check this out at your crib. Find a place in your house or driveway where you have a straight line. Get two dowels out. One will substitute for your club. The other your going to lay on the ground. The line on your drive way is your True Geometric Plane Line. Now set up to the Plane Line and go to Impact Fix. Get your Right Forearm and Dowel IN THE SAME PLANE. Look at where your Right Forearm is pointing: Towards the line on the driveway well down it and extending Across it. Now imagine a line running parallel to your On-Plane Right Forearm where the ball would be. Now place the other dowel on this line. Check it out. That is your Clubhead Delivery Line.

Note: As your ball position moves back, your Right Forearm points at a different angle. Therefore changing your Delivery Line as well.

The 'Off Plane' Angle of Approach Procedure
 

No, Leo, as stated above, Hitters utilizing the Angle of Approach procedure do not Trace -- directly or indirectly -- the true Geometric Plane Line. Doing so would imply the use of the original Plane and that simply is not the case. Again, the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure totally abandons the original Plane.

Remember, just because there is a straight line Angle of Approach arbitrarily associated with a given Plane Angle, that does not mean that you Cover it during the Stroke. Instead, you cover the curved line Arc of Approach. Therefore, should you choose to Cover the straight line Angle of Approach, you cannot remain on the original Plane.

Admittedly, this is tough stuff. But keep incubating, everybody: You'll get there!

Per 1-L-6, "The Clubshaft always points at the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other."

Now, I thought we've confirmed before that "Plane Line" in the above quote refers to the True Geometric Plane Line, (not the Geometric (and Visual) Equivalent) from which the Angle of Approach is derived from. Yes?

And "points at" means Trace. Yes?

Some illustrations AND Photographs of golfers executing these motions would really help...Yoda tell us who...we'll get the pics and betwen Leo and myself we can perform the illustrations you provide the insight and take the lead!!!!


Annikan:cool:

Play It Again, Sam!
 

Yes.

Yes.

But as I said (and continue to say :) ) ...

The Hitter's Angle of Approach procedure does not utilize the true Geometric Plane Line.

:idea: