Educating my hands - please help (way too long)
 

I'm converting from switter to swinger under AI guidance. Here is a point of confusion - demonstrated by the fact I'm not getting to both arms straight.

Growing up playing baseball, I took hitting lessons from very knowledgeable coach. The drill we worked on the most was as follows: Imagine there is a knife in the butt end of the bat - stick that knife in the pitcher. The result was very powerful. When I took up golf, I tried this same motion. It never quite worked (now I think it didn't work because I was still aiming the knife at the pitcher). Ultimately I ran accross some Peter Croker stuff - their teaching was to get rid of my pulling sensation and to move to a pushing sensation. Honestly, I never fully felt the pushing sensation - even when I tried to become a hitter. All I did was mix the two with occasional good results.

Now, after more description than you probably wanted, my question. I think the stick a knife in it imagery is probably similar to 10-19's drawing the arrow feathered end first. Where do I stick the knife? My thought now is that the butt must always point at the plane line, so it's going to be a point on the plane line. Do I stick it in the aim point as 10-19-C #2 appears to show (If I'm not misreading the book - this point can move forward or aft depending on various things)? I don't see how doing this I can concern myself with impact fix hand location. At any rate, am I on the right track with this knife in the butt of the club imagery? If I'm not please stop me now.

Now if I'm on the right track with these things - a big IF. How do I take this sam move to a one foot backswing? I had the chip then acquired motion lesson last time and made good progress, but I didn't do it with educated hands. Where do I stick the knife in the butt ofthe club on a one foot chip? OR, is a chip more of a hit that requires pushing out with the right palm? Whatever I should be doing, please chime in so I can work on the right thing.

robertrex....

Baseball is played on a horizontal plane while golf is played on an inclined plane.

Trying to perform your 'knife' drill in golf has given you a very powerful roundhouse indeed.

Per 7-13: "Keep that Right Shoulder not only "back" but also "down"...or you will "run out of Right Arm" before the Hands reach Impact Position- an automatic Throwaway (7-14,8-6)"

No wonder there is no follow through per 6-H-C and 8-11.

Per 2-N-0: "There must be an Underhand Pitch motion and Feel. If there isn't you are "Roundhousing"..."

Would love to write more, but am headed out the door to D-A-N-C-E!

hmmm?
 

That looks oddly familiar. :rolleyes:

Roundhousing
 

Can someone explain what roundhousing is? I have heard this a few times and am not sure of what it is and how to tell if I am doing it?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Roundhousing is when your right shoulder goes over the inclined plane line instead of on it.

Think of it as Muhammad Ali in a golf posture, pulverizing a water melon on a table that is waist high in front of him with his right arm. His shoulders will be...."ROUNDHOUSING."

If you want to dispense with this image of fury, then take your book out, turn to 10-13-D #3.

See how Diane's right shoulder come down the plane. If it is over, i.e to your right, then that is a roundhouse.

How long must the right shoulder stay on that plane -until just after follow through at both arms straight or further into the finish?

thanks in advance

rrabick

my (probably faulty) thoughts
 

...for swings using PA#'s2&3...try sticking the knife in your lead knee (until the clubhead releases) and the arrow in your lead big toe...

-hcw

Thanks
 

Thanks for the reply, I understand it now. Great info.

The knike in the grip is a wonderful way to image a linear straight line pull of the shaft into release.

OK One more question for you TGMers
 

OK, in looking at my book, I can clearly see what downplane with the right shoulder is. My question is this, will bringing your left should up plane on the other side drive your right on plane down?

I went out and worked on this and find it much easier to drive my left shoulder up than my right down (unless I think really, really hard.....I am a little slow).

Anyone have suggestions. I do have a club from RoverGolf that helps feel the downswing sequence but I suspect I don't go downplane all the time.

Thanks again.

only if he was throwing a hook...if he used a jab, shoulder straight down the plane!

-hcw

Yes, all things being the same, the left shoulder going up will generally mean the right shoulder coming down, but you still want to look look look.

Any more thoughts on where the imagined knife in the butt of the grip should point?

plane line and incline plane line
 

The hands or pp3 traces the plane line (ground attached to the incline plane) on the start of the back swing. At Swivel, the knife in the butt will trace the plane line to the top as it and the shaft get on the incline plane. The plane line runs to infinity so even at the top it should still point to it.
On the start down- same thing until release when pp3 traces the plane line. The ‘knife and shaft will be parallel to the plane line at the Store or pre-release position. Release, roll, and hinge action will point the knife back on the Incline Plane (only upward). The swivel reverse it back to pointing at the plane line. (Did I screw this up??)

A baseball bat swings on a (more or less) horizontal “incline” plane- call it the waist plane- :p

A golf club needs to find an incline plane such as the - hand, the ever popular elbow, turned shoulder or the square shoulder plane. Of course more than one can be used depending on the shift.

sorry if I confused or told you the obvious.

6b