I don't Eddie, but I'll bet Jeff does. Do you have his email? If not he can always be found and messaged from the Facebook page:

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I would love to hear your thoughts added to our friend Bucket's!

Kevin

Love this photo Kev. Never seen it before.

Looks like the shaft lags behind the entire LCOG the sweetspot plane. Wonder whether he can keep it that way and the head behind the hands till impact?

Hey OB. From this alignment, his hands would have to back up to not maintain their lead IMO.

Am I going crazy??? :-)

Kevin

Kevin - they both have a ton of accumulator/pivot lag through impact, and most of the time they keep at least the trigger finger on the grip to receive it. But even if their hand comes completely off, the lag is still there, they are just not sensing it. Of course they are both Swingers, Hitters can't do that! :laughing9

I agree with that edit Bucket however most of the time I find that too much lean is better than no lean at all-unless I am hitting a super lob perhaps or the intentional skull!

Time for you to start thinking about BS


http://cms.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4581.html

Maybe you owe Yoda for the comment you made about him above.

I did not use the word "all" and I correct pros to "good players".

This is
The Hungry Bear

I stand corrected. My apologies. I'll not bother you again.

Kevin

Controlling throwAWAY is integral to short game mastery!!!!!

Going crazy? No .

Crazy? Maybe..

Here's the test.... do you use strange terms like " double anchor" or "endless belt analogy " ? Do you add capital letters to words found mid sentence....... without knowing it? Is Daryl starting to make sense to you? (there's a difference between crazy and totally freakin insane that I need to look into).

Assuming you mean using intentional Throwaway and I think you do ....... I couldn't agree more. Absolutely. Its on the path to short shot mastery.

Don't swing the clubhead, drive the shaft.

Thanks for that Daryl. I can think of no more succinct statement that means more to me in G.O.L.F.
I get 12 new 9th graders and 3 new 10th graders with my crew in about a month. My mantra will be precisely what you have stated or I will die trying.

Yes generally speaking , for full shots but not necessarily for some green side shots.

What about a 10-3-J Pause Minor Basic Stroke with Vertical Hinge Action? That'd swing the club head from the hands and given Vertical bend the left wrist wouldn't it?

Lynn teaches a particular type of lob shot where Throwaway is added. Ball forward, Sweep Release , the shaft vertical at impact , the bounce of the wedge brushing the turf at the ball or ever so slightly before, minimal hand travel etc etc.. Great shot. You can rotate the plane line or not. Even hit a little tiny draw , floater lob shot. Its one way to go but ideally you have options, lots of em. Then your a master.

I wish Lynn would do a masters level of execution short shot video where he gets into all this stuff and more , much more. It'd be better than anything out there.

Yes but we've been discussing shots whereby the Line of compression can be manipulated. You're now introducing a shot whereby the Clubface/Ball Contact Interval (Impact Interval) is so short that although a Line of Compression is produced, it cannot be "properly" manipulated during the interval.

You cannot Hinge with Throwaway, which is one of the reasons it should be avoided but I agree that there are different shots whereby Hinging, although not irrelevant, is no more effective in manipulating the Line of Compression than any other procedure.

Yes you can Hinge with throwaway...true vertical hinging....very much dependent on your stance, grip type....but it is a EXTREMELY effective method.

Homer Kelley (1979)

Daryl the Amateur (2012)

How then can true Vertical hinging...be HINGING then? The club can be thrownaway with pure layback motion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBAb_9Whm6g

Verticle hinge
 

Can I have Dual Vertical hinging with Rhythm by using a punch basic stroke and the #3 pp rolls from under the shaft? And obtain the proper associated compression?
Can do full stroke? Can do putting with only true vertical hinge, no #2 or #3 accumulator just #1 and/or #4 ?

hb

It's Hinging because while the Clubhead is traveling in an Circle, the Clubface is simultaneously remaining perpendicular to the Vertical Plane and all of this is occurring in "Rhythm". If the Clubhead is traveling in an Circle, and the Clubface is simultaneously remaining perpendicular to the Vertical Plane but it's not traveling in Rhythm, then it's "Throwaway".


You can Throwaway the Clubhead and produce "Layback only" without a Hinge Action. I was only saying that by using Throwaway, you prevent Hinge Action. I don't mean to imply that Throwaway isn't effective or that it can't produce the same results as Hinge Action (Close enough results).

Are "Close enough results" really close enough? The Answer is No.... Hinging has enormous advantages over Throwaway. With Hinging, you can vary the distance you want to hit the shot and you only need to control the amount of Thrust. The Ball will always respond the same except for distance because direction control remains constant. With Throwaway, you also change the Thrust to change distance but any given Throwaway Alignment has only one direction. So if you want to hit the ball farther, then you must adjust the Amount of, or Alignment of, or the Timing of the Throwaway. Otherwise it's going off in some other direction.

With Hinging, direction control is stable and there's no reason why a 25 foot chip should be more than two feet on either side of the hole. It's as stable as putting. With Throwaway, it's a big struggle and endless practice to maintain the Hand/eye coordination skill set.

Yes. And, a "Punch" basic Stroke is the Only way to produce an Inherent Dual Vertical Hinge. Rotate the Plane Line open until the Angle of Approach covers the original Plane Line. "Inherent Hinge" = a Hinge produced by Elbow Location. HK said that Dual Vertical Hinge is a Hand Manipulation procedure. However, this was in reference when using a Square Plane, Stance and Target Line. If the Plane, Target and Stance Line are all square, then Hand Manipulation is all that's available to produce a Dual Vertical Hinge if you want the Ball Flight along the Target Line.

Perfectly. In fact, Centrifugal Force will aid the Dual Vertical Hinge more easily than any other Hinge. So, not only can you create a Straight Line of Compression, but it will be easier to "Sustain" and Manipulate that Line through the Impact Interval.

Nice find Bucket.

Looks like Vertical and Id imagine his left wrist is breaking.... loss of Rhythm. Horizontal would allow you to maintain the flat left if you wished. We talking practice...d compression leakage here. I know VJ Trolio and Lynn have a video on this site wherein VJ expresses some distain for this method... well for those who are still in the process of training the flat left wrist, but I see it on tv a lot and Yoda does teach it.

First you learn the flat left wrist , Horizontal and Rhythm then you learn how to employ a loss of same. Even a topped shot has a use around the green . The shank stands alone perhaps as the only impact dynamic that can't be of some usee. Comic relief maybe?