You don't need to compensate to do this, Daryl. But you need to change the relationship between the pivot and the arms swing. You need to turn more through and delay the #4 release. Or, perhaps, as 12 pc talks about - cover the left arm better with the right shoulder.

Well, thank goodness I only need to "change the Relationship between the Pivot and the Arm Swing, turn more and Delay the Release of the #4 Accumulator".

I was afraid I'd need to compensate. :)

I'm not sure that I have communicated this very well . . .

I'm just basically saying that the right shoulder stays ON TOP of the left arm keeping the left arm down and the hand down . . . if the right shoulder motion is more vertical and UNDER it complies with a steeper plane and or a plane shift . . .

You see this a lot from players who have their body hiding the handle DTL past impact

Thanks everyone. good stuff. I was gettin it together before the cold retired me for the winter. Hopefully when spring comes I will pick up where I left off. Got some good new info to reinforce what I am doing. Plan on hitting gym to maintain those core muscles and stretch til march. Then I will ready to call my teacher golfgnome for some meetups.

You also need to lower your swing center. The elbow plane will intersect the spine lower and closer to your body's center of gravity. That will make it a lot easier to stabilise the pivot and maintain a steady swing center. I regard that as a bonus of course, but I guess you regard that as a compensation as well...

You seem to associate the elbow plane with a flip release. Nothing is further from the truth.

Hogan and Garcia seem to hold off and swing left
Fowler and mickelson let the left wrist roll/release.
Which method is correct?

Hmm? I associate a Downstroke Plane shift with a Flip Releases but all Downstroke Plane Shifts don't have Flip Releases.

I'm not complaining about compensations. Players need them. I would be concerned if someone applies a compensation, although it works, for the wrong cause-effect.

I think I understand what you're saying. The Right Shoulder and Left Arm are aligned, but not to the Swing plane or the swing plane as we typically think of it. And the Shoulder staying on top of the Left Arm is an Alignment that will keep the Left Arm going Down.

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Sure . . . but look at the location of the HANDLE . . . some raise it up . . . some keep it low . . . I'm saying that shoulders torso or whatever is providing support to keep the handle from raising UP . . no that it's wrong . . . just different . . . keeps the club on the Arc of Approach . . . and on the face of the elbow plane rather than a plane angle shift . . . for instance fowler shifts the angle . . . I don't think Nicklaus in his day really shifted dramatically . . . could be wrong . . . could post pics. Fowler goes low to high . . . Nicklaus just stayed high . . . . Hoch too . . . Furyk is an interesting study because he does all that whacky stuff but once he gets to delivery or slotted or whatever you wanna call it . . . club moves pretty similar to Hogan. . .

I'm not saying this is hitting . . . or swinging . . . I don't know how you catalog it really . . . It seems to be more Arc of Approach procedure-ish . . .