Originally Posted by mgjordan

It's my view, and I may be incorrect, that "hit vs. swing" doesn't start until release point. Both hits and swings are "pulled" until you get to your release point. Only from there will you continue to pull (drag) or hit (drive). I think this is why they both look similar...because they ARE similar until release.

Originally Posted by MBCpro

Trigolt,
I think you are confusing clubhead lag and accumulator lag, a big angle between clubhead and hands is accumulator lag, not necessarily clubhead lag, clubhead lag is simply a condition of trailing, Tom Watson has great clubhead lag with not very much accumulator lag. ( full sweep release).
I am pretty sure you know this but I do not want those that do not know to get confused between the lag's. (Pivot lag, accumulator lag, & clubhead lag)

Todd

Originally Posted by EdZ

There is a difference between clubhead lag, and true lag 'pressure'.

Brian's shopping cart image is the best way to describe the difference. (see article on his site).


In a nutshell, if you ran downhill pushing a shopping cart, lag 'pressure' is maintained by continuing to run faster than the cart - you are still providing a push - providing support.

Now, you could run with the cart, and keep up with it, but not be ADDING any pressure - it would look like you are pushing it, but really you are just 'moving at the same pace'.




Don't confuse clubhead lag (moving at the same pace, keeping that clubhead trailing) - with lag pressure (adding 'push' - adding support).

In other words, if you can't keep up the speed to 'push the cart', you are going TOO FAST.

Remember - slow and heavy, feel PP#3

As soon as you give up lag pressure, you give up mass - you are 'bouncing' the club off impact, rather than 'supporting'.

This is true, hitting or swinging IMO, although you will feel it more directly in hitting.

Originally Posted by Trigolt

Good post. Ok, futher exploring this....

Are you saying then, a clubhead moving at 100mph with no support behind it will not hit the ball as far as a clubhead traveling 100mph with support behind it? Support being - the club attached to a golfer who is maintaining lag pressure thoughout the swing.

Originally Posted by EdZ

Yes. Any amount of lag pressure represents mass, and any amount of mass will send the ball further than without that mass.

The kicker is that to get there, most people have to slow way down.

To feel like they are swinging 'in slow motion'.

Full swings, half tempo - 160 club to 100 yards

HEAVY club - driving downplane to both arms straight.

Taking a divot.

Split grip drills will let you feel both arms straight properly.