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JerryG 11-24-2010 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79039)
I will think of each of you as I do my first ever "Paxon Hollow Thanksgiving Scramble!"

Sleet and 45 degrees as the high is predicted. I have:

long underwear laid out
snow pants
a heavy sweater
a fleece pullover
waterproof golf shoes and wooly socks
4 "10 hour" chemical hand warmers
a fleece hood

I will be Hitting, I think, and playing Lynn's "Driver" video while sipping a little adult beverage. "Another perfect shot...another perfect shot!" Is that what Lynn keeps saying? :) "Same as the last. Same as the last...,"imitating Moe Norman.
:)

God Bless Everyone!

ICT

City,
If it were 45 here it would be downright balmy and we'd be in bermuda shorts with possibly a bit of a wind shirt.
Buck up, Bucko!
g

Daryl 11-25-2010 12:17 AM

I received this e-mail today.

Subject: Men are so Sensitive!

The room was full of pregnant women with their partners. The class was in full swing. The instructor was teaching the women how to breathe properly and was telling the men how to give the necessary assurance to their partners at this stage of the pregnancy.

She said "Ladies, remember that exercise is good for you. Walking is especially beneficial. It strengthens the pelvic muscles and will make delivery that much easier." Just take several stops and stay on a soft surface like grass or a path.

She looked at the men in the room, "and Gentlemen, remember -- You're in this together -- It wouldn't hurt you to go walking with her.

The room suddenly got very quiet as the men absorbed this information.

Then a man at the back of the room slowly raised his hand.

"Yes, answered the Instructor.

"I was just wondering if it would be all right if she carries a golf bag while we walk??

---- This kind of sensitivity just can't be taught.

JerryG 11-25-2010 12:47 AM

Chances are it would build muscles and character.

innercityteacher 11-25-2010 03:30 PM

Very funny men!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 79046)
I received this e-mail today.

Subject: Men are so Sensitive!

The room was full of pregnant women with their partners. The class was in full swing. The instructor was teaching the women how to breathe properly and was telling the men how to give the necessary assurance to their partners at this stage of the pregnancy.

She said "Ladies, remember that exercise is good for you. Walking is especially beneficial. It strengthens the pelvic muscles and will make delivery that much easier." Just take several stops and stay on a soft surface like grass or a path.

She looked at the men in the room, "and Gentlemen, remember -- You're in this together -- It wouldn't hurt you to go walking with her.

The room suddenly got very quiet as the men absorbed this information.

Then a man at the back of the room slowly raised his hand.

"Yes, answered the Instructor.

"I was just wondering if it would be all right if she carries a golf bag while we walk??

---- This kind of sensitivity just can't be taught.

LMFAO! They could push a walking cart!

Well, it was beautiful outside. Cold and breezy as the front came in and then it started to SNOW. I played well and I noticed that with an open stance, Hula left, and FBRW (Frozen Bent Right Wrist) my balance is much better, direction and power are better, and I actually started feeling the center of my driver compress the ball. ( I recall Kevin and Jerry pointing out to me the benefits of an open stance and forward ball position :) )

Our group was thrown together, with two women. One girl, a competitive snowboarder stood to the ball in a snowboarding stance. Her boyfriend, an NBA sized -power-forward type, swung hard. Both flipped at the bottom. My partner for the day was an avid bow hunter. She confessed that she had won seven Florida state archery titles but was a terrible golfer.

When I explained to all of them the importance of the FBRW, after I teed off on the first hole (260 with a slight draw leaving 100 yards to the pin) and after they asked, was the importance of the FBRW. The archer got it right away saying "Oh, you mean the right hand is like a clamp, like an archer's clamp?" The snowboarder, big guy, and the archer simply swung their clamps! The girls were quite delighted hitting the ball much straighter and further with drives to chips. The 6-5" /230 lb. muscular young man, started hitting a straight ball and not his slice.

We used my ball for 4 drives. The young man was outdriving me by 40 yards or so , regularly. We only used two of his drives since he parked several 8 irons over the greens on par 3's or pushed or pulled his drive out of play. And the girls,out drove us both on 4 holes! Spinning rotors! Snowboarding stance, archery grip, sound familiar? :)

It started to sleet on hole 6 and it was pouring on hole 8. We stopped at nine.

Quite fun! Happy Thanksgiving!

ICT

JerryG 11-25-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79064)
LMFAO! They could push a walking cart!

Well, it was beautiful outside. Cold and breezy as the front came in and then it started to SNOW. I played well and I noticed that with an open stance, Hula left, and FBRW (Frozen Bent Right Wrist) my balance is much better, direction and power are better, and I actually started feeling the center of my driver compress the ball. ( I recall Kevin and Jerry pointing out to me the benefits of an open stance and forward ball position :) )

Our group was thrown together, with two women. One girl, a competitive snowboarder stood to the ball in a snowboarding stance. Her boyfriend, an NBA sized -power-forward type, swung hard. Both flipped at the bottom. My partner for the day was an avid bow hunter. She confessed that she had won seven Florida state archery titles but was a terrible golfer.

When I explained to all of them the importance of the FBRW, after I teed off on the first hole (260 with a slight draw leaving 100 yards to the pin) and after they asked, was the importance of the FBRW. The archer got it right away saying "Oh, you mean the right hand is like a clamp, like an archer's clamp?" The snowboarder, big guy, and the archer simply swung their clamps! The girls were quite delighted hitting the ball much straighter and further with drives to chips. The 6-5" /230 lb. muscular young man, started hitting a straight ball and not his slice.

We used my ball for 4 drives. The young man was outdriving me by 40 yards or so , regularly. We only used two of his drives since he parked several 8 irons over the greens on par 3's or pushed or pulled his drive out of play. And the girls,out drove us both on 4 holes! Spinning rotors! Snowboarding stance, archery grip, sound familiar? :)

It started to sleet on hole 6 and it was pouring on hole 8. We stopped at nine.

Quite fun! Happy Thanksgiving!

ICT

Looks like you are bringing a few more into the fold. Nice goin',
g

Yoda 11-25-2010 09:13 PM

Heat Wave Down South
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79064)
Well, it was beautiful outside. Cold and breezy as the front came in and then it started to SNOW.

It started to sleet on hole 6 and it was pouring on hole 8. We stopped at nine.

Quite fun! Happy Thanksgiving!

ICT

Well, I am embarrassed . . .

Today at Cuscowilla in Eatonton, Georgia, it was sunny with a high of 77*. Cools off for the still sunny weekend, though, with highs Saturday and Sunday of only 62* and 66*.

Wish you guys 'way up north' were 'way down here'!

:sunny:

innercityteacher 11-25-2010 09:23 PM

We are working toward that very goal!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 79073)
Well, I am embarrassed . . .

Today at Cuscowilla in Eatonton, Georgia, it was sunny with a high of 77*. Cools off for the still sunny weekend, though, with highs Saturday and Sunday of only 62* and 66*.

Wish you guys 'way up north' were 'way down here'!

:sunny:

Normally, the Master's is a pretty big deal at our club. This year, the week after the Master's will be my big deal.

Happy Holidays Mr. and Mrs. Blake!


ICT

brianmontgomery2000 11-25-2010 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 79073)
Well, I am embarrassed . . .

Today at Cuscowilla in Eatonton, Georgia, it was sunny with a high of 77*. Cools off for the still sunny weekend, though, with highs Saturday and Sunday of only 62* and 66*.

Wish you guys 'way up north' were 'way down here'!

:sunny:

Used to live in Raleigh, NC and then Charleston, SC -- I sure do miss the weather at this time of year!

Daryl 11-28-2010 06:41 PM

Hi City,



innercityteacher 11-28-2010 08:09 PM

Yeah, I'm watching it and secretly rooting for Da Bears!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 79157)
Hi City,



Pretty convincing victory. It might be different on a dry field, though.
Hope you had a good holiday.

ICT

innercityteacher 11-30-2010 01:43 AM

Moe Norman's comeback in my mind.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 79157)
Hi City,



Just questions watching the Youtube "Celebration Tapes."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9l0lr019nc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGTiUhQbmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVCyYKe4BL4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxg-RrZOGwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8f_d7RGRRU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FenB9hwSErE


with "The Hammer Man"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8oIX8v8H8o

Why I'm interested.

I'll see Yoda in April and I'll have a long list of questions. Once he answers two, I'm sure the rest will be logically deduced and I'll feel like an idiot.

But what Yoda and LBG golf have shown me is the bio-mechanical logic of Plane - based golf. So, every good swing (effective swing) should be a different perspective on the same paradigm, with various compensations (fewer are better).

So hello Mr. Norman! Notes to myself:

1) I've used his swing to shoot an 84 in competition on a course I never saw before and it should've been sub 80 with a little local knowledge.

2) My version of Moe's swing really hits down on the ball and that is so effective.

3) My FBRW holds my whole left hand and is firm while being pulled by the Pivot.

4) Due to some geometry I haven't deduced, Moe's backswing is very effective when hands are shoulder high with EA and RFT or a very slow backward lag to end (shoulders) and a feeling of my front knee being very flexed and the downswing and pull through governed by that strong forward Pivot by straightening that front leg. Half backswing + Full Pivot =250 yard straight drive and solid straight contact with all other clubs being hit down including driver.

5) A wider closed stance makes staying on plane in the downswing easy. The more my front knee bends, the more powerful the Pivot and the straighter and further I hit every club. Norman shot a 60 when he was 65. I'm 52 and will settle for a 65 several times each year until I am 70. : )

6) Stable head over back knee or somewhere allows for full extension and power.

More to come.

innercityteacher 11-30-2010 08:59 PM

Why Moe's swing and Stack and Tilt are the same for me.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79177)
Just questions watching the Youtube "Celebration Tapes."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9l0lr019nc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGTiUhQbmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVCyYKe4BL4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxg-RrZOGwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8f_d7RGRRU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FenB9hwSErE


with "The Hammer Man"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8oIX8v8H8o

Why I'm interested.

I'll see Yoda in April and I'll have a long list of questions. Once he answers two, I'm sure the rest will be logically deduced and I'll feel like an idiot.

But what Yoda and LBG golf have shown me is the bio-mechanical logic of Plane - based golf. So, every good swing (effective swing) should be a different perspective on the same paradigm, with various compensations (fewer are better).

So hello Mr. Norman! Notes to myself:

1) I've used his swing to shoot an 84 in competition on a course I never saw before and it should've been sub 80 with a little local knowledge.

2) My version of Moe's swing really hits down on the ball and that is so effective.

3) My FBRW holds my whole left hand and is firm while being pulled by the Pivot.

4) Due to some geometry I haven't deduced, Moe's backswing is very effective when hands are shoulder high with EA and RFT or a very slow backward lag to end (shoulders) and a feeling of my front knee being very flexed and the downswing and pull through governed by that strong forward Pivot by straightening that front leg. Half backswing + Full Pivot =250 yard straight drive and solid straight contact with all other clubs being hit down including driver.

5) A wider closed stance makes staying on plane in the downswing easy. The more my front knee bends, the more powerful the Pivot and the straighter and further I hit every club. Norman shot a 60 when he was 65. I'm 52 and will settle for a 65 several times each year until I am 70. : )

6) Stable head over back knee or somewhere allows for full extension and power.

More to come.

By lining up in a closed stance or in S&T, all my weight, just about, is on my left and shorter leg. Both swings help me compress the heck out of the ball! As a matter of fact, any Swing or Hit let's me compress the ball like crazy as long as I get all my weight or keep all my weight on my front side! That is why a "half swing" is much more effective for me than a full swing. Once my weight gets to my right side, it is almost impossible to reverse the flow of weight back to my left side in a short amount of time. Both swings start out as being on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

When I swing back until I feel my weight on the inside of my right foot or about to my shoulder, the shot is long and straight.

Maybe I'll always be at a disadvantage not being able to smoothly flow my weight from my back foot to my forward foot? But what if....I started with all my weight on my back/longer leg? Then, I could bump my back hip forward and all that weight would flow "downhill" into the ball. Hmmm... :scratch:

More investigation necessary. Back when I started TGM, I got some incredible distances and pro ball flights from using a punch stroke where my arms came below my shoulder and with a very FBRW, I just pulverized the ball! Time to revisit everything except a FBRW/FLW!

I'm liking winter more, now. :)

ICT

brianmontgomery2000 12-01-2010 01:13 AM

Anybody know what Moe's distances were for various irons and driver?

To me, the swings look like he would hit VERY short, but looks can be deceiving.

BerntR 12-01-2010 01:54 AM

Reputation says Moe was pretty long off the tee when he was young. Most of the tapes and pictures of him is from his old days, and even though his swing was close to a one-planer early on, he looked a lot more conventional back then.

innercityteacher 12-01-2010 01:04 PM

On one of those Youtube tapes....
 
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Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 79202)
Reputation says Moe was pretty long off the tee when he was young. Most of the tapes and pictures of him is from his old days, and even though his swing was close to a one-planer early on, he looked a lot more conventional back then.

or maybe another "client appreciation" setting, Moe said he hit a 4 wood 225 and a driver 310! :???:

Kevin or Jerry will tell you my swing is slowwww, so I'd settle for 250 yards with anything. A strong cold front is giving us another 55 degree day with very strong winds (gusts past 60 mph), but I'm going to the semi-enclosed range with 10 enclosed wooden bays after school and I will be hitting punch shots with everything I have. I bet I can punch my Adams Speed driver 250 yard (on purpose) and my Titleist Z's seem to like my Moe Norman/S& T imitations so they should love the Punch shot!

I'm having a hard time separating the two (Norman/S&T) in my head with both having a closed stance, TSP and weight forward. In S&T my head stays close to my front leg. Norman kept his head back so?

In any case, my swing works best when my weight stays forward. The big experiment today is whether or not I punch better with my weight forward or back entirely on my longer right leg.

I'd love to compare notes with you guys to help my strategic thinking on this. We all need a consistent Swing or Hit to have a chance to really use our short game so if you are doing something that is working as you play with these TGM variables, please let me know! :)

Four of Yoda's tapes still blow me away. The Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist, the cold-weather driver and the impact bag all amaze me.

I have questions.

1) Is the Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist shot a "Sweep?"
2) Is Lynn's FBRW really level in his "Yoda busted that ball." Driving Tape? Does that mean that his feeling of take-away is like lifting the club up-pane with a straight arm? WOW, does that feel strange!
3) In the impact bag tape, does Yoda feel like he rolls his back shoulder through the bag with his right arm extended stiffly or does he roll AND extend the right arm like a two-stage booster?
4) In the Barclay's tape of the fella on the TSP, does he feel like he stays on the TSP back and through, or does he feel the elbow plane in the down-stroke? How does a person swing on TSP? Trying it makes me feel like my arms are out of control and then I can kiss my"mind in my hand s" goodbye!


Anyway, that's all I have for now. :eyes:

ICT

KevCarter 12-01-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79210)
or maybe another "client appreciation" setting, Moe said he hit a 4 wood 225 and a driver 310! :???:

Kevin or Jerry will tell you my swing is slowwww, so I'd settle for 250 yards with anything. A strong cold front is giving us another 55 degree day with very strong winds (gusts past 60 mph), but I'm going to the semi-enclosed range with 10 enclosed wooden bays after school and I will be hitting punch shots with everything I have. I bet I can punch my Adams Speed driver 250 yard (on purpose) and my Titleist Z's seem to like my Moe Norman/S& T imitations so they should love the Punch shot!

I'm having a hard time separating the two (Norman/S&T) in my head with both having a closed stance, TSP and weight forward. In S&T my head stays close to my front leg. Norman kept his head back so?

In any case, my swing works best when my weight stays forward. The big experiment today is whether or not I punch better with my weight forward or back entirely on my longer right leg.

I'd love to compare notes with you guys to help my strategic thinking on this. We all need a consistent Swing or Hit to have a chance to really use our short game so if you are doing something that is working as you play with these TGM variables, please let me know! :)

Four of Yoda's tapes still blow me away. The Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist, the cold-weather driver and the impact bag all amaze me.

I have questions.

1) Is the Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist shot a "Sweep?"
2) Is Lynn's FBRW really level in his "Yoda busted that ball." Driving Tape? Does that mean that his feeling of take-away is like lifting the club up-pane with a straight arm? WOW, does that feel strange!
3) In the impact bag tape, does Yoda feel like he rolls his back shoulder through the bag with his right arm extended stiffly or does he roll AND extend the right arm like a two-stage booster?
4) In the Barclay's tape of the fella on the TSP, does he feel like he stays on the TSP back and through, or does he feel the elbow plane in the down-stroke? How does a person swing on TSP? Trying it makes me feel like my arms are out of control and then I can kiss my"mind in my hand s" goodbye!


Anyway, that's all I have for now. :eyes:

ICT

I'm going to cop out on your questions as so many are related to "feel" and need to be discussed hands on. Suffice it to say, your meeting with YODA is going to be a HUGE eye opener!!!

Kevin

innercityteacher 12-01-2010 08:03 PM

Translating Hogan into Norman into TGM.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 79213)
I'm going to cop out on your questions as so many are related to "feel" and need to be discussed hands on. Suffice it to say, your meeting with YODA is going to be a HUGE eye opener!!!

Kevin

As the temperature dropped, my enthusiasm for punching got smaller. A friend, Anthony, who has looked at Hogan for years, and our website, said hello. He started asking some questions and wondered why my right hand was so stiff and why my right arm looked so short going through the shot. I showed him my wedges and he pointed out that the forward lean of the shaft is not so drastic and eventually gets released (Impact Fix and Forward Swivel).

I was really proud to show him my Frozen Bent Right Wrist. He said suggested I loosen it by about 50%. And I resisted. I said I have to keep my FBRW to both arms straight! At all costs!!!!!

Then Anthony started talking about supination (he is a "Five Lesson" guy), and he made a perfect Finishing Swivel. :eyes: We have talked about Moe Norman a lot. "Vertical drop-horizontal hinge." I loosened my FBRW (but you'll still have to pry my guns out of my cold dead hands!!!!). We talked about a few other things. We always do.

I stopped punching. RFT and slight EA. With a slightly frozen BRW and a strong Pivot, I pulled down to the ball way back in my stance. Anthony showed me this. And my 7 iron went straight and did some mountain climbing past the 150 yard marker I lost sight of it near the hill which is about 160. The 5 and 6 irons went further. :happy3: So then I took my driver. Vertical drop/horizontal pull (shoulder raise does it all) . Anthony said "Look at your hand position. Now Three right hands!" ( # 3 PP drive/push). Sweet. let's see if it's repeatable.!


Ideas?

ICT

JerryG 12-01-2010 10:32 PM

Don't ask questions yet. Just go do it.

innercityteacher 12-02-2010 12:44 PM

I am holding the V.J. Trolio book in my hands!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 79229)
Don't ask questions yet. Just go do it.

OOOOOOObabyooooobabyooooo! :dance: :golfing_banana: :notworthy

To become the TGM superstar I desire to be, when I'm older, like Jerry's age, or like Air's, or maybe OB's (Daryl is younger than me I think, curses Red Baron), I taped both books together with duct tape and then taped them to my forehead so that the knowledge would flow into my mind while I slept.

When I turned over last night, and the duct tape came off my forehead, well, it really hurt! :eyes:

So I just started to read the book. Nice pictures! Lots of short sentences! Since I am vapid writer at times, I respect short sentences ( "No, I am Spartacus!"). And, Anna Louisa, our Schnauzer, chewed the mini-DVD wrapper this morning, but I still have the mini-DVD intact. I just have to find a non-Mac machine to play it somewhere. Or maybe in my DVD player? :)


I will not reveal the secret to anyone in any form or forum. But jeez, it really looks familiar!!! How cool is that!!!!


ICT

KevCarter 12-03-2010 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79256)
OOOOOOObabyooooobabyooooo! :dance: :golfing_banana: :notworthy

To become the TGM superstar I desire to be, when I'm older, like Jerry's age, or like Air's, or maybe OB's (Daryl is younger than me I think, curses Red Baron), I taped both books together with duct tape and then taped them to my forehead so that the knowledge would flow into my mind while I slept.

When I turned over last night, and the duct tape came off my forehead, well, it really hurt! :eyes:

So I just started to read the book. Nice pictures! Lots of short sentences! Since I am vapid writer at times, I respect short sentences ( "No, I am Spartacus!"). And, Anna Louisa, our Schnauzer, chewed the mini-DVD wrapper this morning, but I still have the mini-DVD intact. I just have to find a non-Mac machine to play it somewhere. Or maybe in my DVD player? :)


I will not reveal the secret to anyone in any form or forum. But jeez, it really looks familiar!!! How cool is that!!!!


ICT

Hey City,

You know how much I enjoy VJ's book, GREAT stuff! Combine what you learn from VJ with MacDonald drill #2. Do the drill while keeping some pressure on the left foot. You will have YODA's hip action that we are striving for!!!

Kevin

innercityteacher 12-03-2010 01:08 PM

I was wondering about that, Kevin.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 79273)
Hey City,

You know how much I enjoy VJ's book, GREAT stuff! Combine what you learn from VJ with MacDonald drill #2. Do the drill while keeping some pressure on the left foot. You will have YODA's hip action that we are striving for!!!

Kevin

The book is very impresive. With Alignment I, lots of winter medidtations!

ICT

innercityteacher 12-03-2010 10:23 PM

Another insight?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79276)
The book is very impresive. With Alignment I, lots of winter medidtations!

ICT

Could it be this simple? With Wedges intact, a tiny bit of Extensor Action, # 3 PP awareness and a slow but consistent Pivot, doesn't the Finish Swivel get to be a major deal since it would be almost impossible throw away the club head and flip?

If I lead down with my Pivot, Swinging or Hitting, isn't Throwaway almost an automatic non-factor?

If the answer is "pretty much" then the "Forward Swivel" as displayed everywhere here at LBG is a source of "POW" as in power?

I think I was so determined to avoid flipping that I avoided the Forward Swivel and about 40% of my power!
:crybaby:

ICT

JerryG 12-03-2010 11:26 PM

ICT,
It seems to be at least a month since we've been able to play golf here on the tundra. It began snowing today about 1:30 p.m. and by 3:30 I was pretty stir crazy. I made my way to the dome to get some compression. There were 2 other guys there and that's it.
There is no give in those hard mats. No wonder there are so many flippers in the Northland.

innercityteacher 12-04-2010 02:04 AM

I believe you, Jerry.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 79291)
ICT,
It seems to be at least a month since we've been able to play golf here on the tundra. It began snowing today about 1:30 p.m. and by 3:30 I was pretty stir crazy. I made my way to the dome to get some compression. There were 2 other guys there and that's it.
There is no give in those hard mats. No wonder there are so many flippers in the Northland.

My right elbow was sore for 36 hours after my little punching experiment, the other day ! I pretended my right hand didn't exist except to Monitor the Lag in # 3 PP. As soon as I felt that, I drove my back elbow straight at the ball. I was getting some righteous compression.

I also got even better compression and direction by Pivoting and pulling my left arm straight down and forcing my right palm up facing the Plane all the way down to balls at my back foot.

Now, working through "The Final Missing Piece of Ben Hogan's Secret Puzzle," by Mr. Trolio and Mr. Hamilton, has helped me finally realized why a Swing or Hit can effectively help you obliterate the target line. Here's a technical discussion by Yoda awhile back.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=hand+speed

The shorter version to me is that every change in direction (each part of the downswing) on the Plane tremendously magnifies the power of the Pivot (assuming smooth or constant acceleration). Also, the Pivot is most effective when the body weight is closest to the Pivot-point. Since my left hip is artificial and I really cannot feel it, I'm thinking to Swing, "Left Anchor-Left Shoulder Up," and my # 3 PP Lag will never, no, not never ever catch my arm until I want it to by causing a change of direction triggering the Forward Swivel. I'll have to see what the differences are if I Hit using "Left Anchor-Right Shoulder/Right Elbow Drive (could be OTT disaster but if I sense # 3 PP throughout...) . I could obliterate the BLP/Target Line!

During the summer after visiting MN, "The Land of 10,000 Golfing Friends," I became much better at sand play based on watching you Jerry and Kevin (and the other men) smoothly flow through their shots. The next time I was in the bunker at home, I simply reproduced your rhythm, Jerry, and kept my head down. I felt the slightest little back shoulder drive of # 3 PP and the club smoothly went right through the sand tossing the ball out with plenty of run to the hole. Having discovered a working pace, the only other choice was to float shots or run them up to the hole.


I know that my mind has to be in my hands whispering "Downswing, Throw, Release, Impact, Forward Swivel" ( Just Joking) or simply Feel the # 3 PP and then my speed will be in my hands, too, with the Pivot and Arms having simply decided when the Forward Swivel should be released (quick swing, slow and measured?)! Hitters or Swingers sensing Lag must lead it down and through the ball without looking back at it or stopping. It will follow the Downswing Components as long as they lead the Lag down!

More later! I'm still working it out. :salut:

ICT

innercityteacher 12-04-2010 12:23 PM

Hmmm...it's Saturday and cold...let's see ...Raquel Welch or the NedBank Classic?
 
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79276)
The book is very impresive. With Alignment I, lots of winter medidtations!

ICT

The movie is "100 Rifles" and Lee Westwood is being challenged by Ross Fisher. So far, it's golf! But wait a minute..Racquel Welch has just told Jim Brown "I am your woman for as long as you want," as she pan fries him a steak! Jim Brown hugged her! What an actor!!!!!! :laughing9


Westwood pars and Jimenez bogies a hole, ugh!

Something about a train with 100 rifles stopping in only one location for water....wait a minute...someone's taking a shower to distract the warlord's troops
....it's not Jim Brown.......who knew trains could be so interesting? Who knew Ms. Racquel was so short?

Ooops....Ms. Welch died liberating the Mexican freedom fighters.....and Miguel made a par!

Time to swing the heavy club! " Wedges-Left Anchor 80% -Left Shoulder Spin/Hip Spin-Forza!" (Both feet splayed/slightn knee bend makes for easier push to the right and straighten right leg (get the hands up to Top- get power) pushing to the left, step on the left heel or lift left shoulder (hammer the right hand down for throw at same time.) Hogan was a 4 barrel guy!
:golf:



ICT

innercityteacher 12-04-2010 03:24 PM

"Hand Speed" insights via search!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79300)
The movie is "100 Rifles" and Lee Westwood is being challenged by Ross Fisher. So far, it's golf! But wait a minute..Racquel Welch has just told Jim Brown "I am your woman for as long as you want," as she pan fries him a steak! Jim Brown hugged her! What an actor!!!!!! :laughing9


Westwood pars and Jimenez bogies a hole, ugh!

Something about a train with 100 rifles stopping in only one location for water....wait a minute...someone's taking a shower to distract the warlord's troops
....it's not Jim Brown.......who knew trains could be so interesting?

Ooops....Ms. Welch died liberating the Mexican freedom fighters.....and Miguel made a par!

Time to swing the heavy club! " Wedges-Left Anchor 80% -Left Shoulder Spin/Hip Spin-Forza!" (Both feet splayed makes for easier push to the right and to the left and spin.)
:golf:



ICT


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=hand+speed
#'s 2 and # 3

Swamp Report
Bagger and I were in the Swamp this past week and had a great time.

I came away with some specific items to work on as follows:

1. Pivot. My old "turn" was to turn my shoulders back and load up my right leg with about 90% of my weight. This was causing me to go inside and sway. My new pivot is to start with more weight on my left side and to let the left knee dip a bit. There is still a good bit of weight on my left side at the top - much more than before. I used to think this was a reverse pivot but Yoda convinced me otherwise. This is going to allow me to get the club in a much better position.

2. Extensor action. I learned to add more extensor action than ever before. This will help keep the club on plane and add more structure to my hit.

3. I really learned how to drive down/out/forward until my right elbow passes my "line of sight".

I think these things are going to make a dramatic difference in my action. The teacher can teach but the student must apply. I'm going to work on the new items a bit and then hopefully I'll be able to post some before/after pictures of my motion.

There is simply no substitute for hands-on TGM instruction, especially if you can get it from the best in the world!

If you get a chance to go to the Swamp or one of the LBG schools - do NOT pass up the opportunity!


My Swamp Report
I can vouch for Trig and I'm going to keep a keen eye on his pivot. It's something I picked up last November from Yoda and will never go back. Ted and Yoda confirmed last week I'm doing it correctly. I heard multiple times, "that looks just like Hogan".

Charlie,

The position as best I can describe it is; At setup you will feel balanced 50/50 between the feet but...you will feel the upper quadriceps in your left leg pushing down on the ground as though you were attempting to level a mound of dirt under your left foot. You will feel "decidedly leftward".
From that position, you should feel like you can launch yourself into a full sprint targetward if you wished. That is your address feel. Think of Ben Hogan and review the video on this site to get the look of it. There is not much perceptable change in weight shift, in fact you can get the feel without a club by taking your address position as described above and simply raising your right hand into an "oath" position, parallel to the plane line about 4 inches behind your squared right shoulder (at address, you are actually taking your right hand to the turned shoulder location). Your left knee will need to flex a bit and your rear-end will rotate targetward to get the right hand there. It's OK to let the right knee straighten but not lock as you turn. (An Option) For many conditioned in pop instruction, this may feel like a reverse pivot but it isn't because your weight isn't shifted to your left foot on the backstroke and right foot on the downstroke. It is quite the opposite.


This is the best golf site in the world for golf instruction!

ICT

innercityteacher 12-04-2010 04:10 PM

Let's remember the short game!

Thanks Bucket!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=hand+speed

# 1

6-B-1-D and Chipping
"This action of Extensor force can be substituded for Downstroke Acceleration of the Arms and Hands – in part or wholly – for “less than full Power” shots calling for the precision execution of a heavy, constant Hand Speed through Release and Impact. Lag Pressure then can be the artificial pressure of a tight right forefinger grip – which, actually, can serve the same function for Backstroke guidance (6-C-1)."

This is a FANTASTIC way to chip! 2 chip ins saturday plus 2 on the practice green before sticking the peg in the ground. EC showed this to me. I kind of forgot until fooling around in the house trying to hit my wife's cat without breaking his nose.

You set up your elbow in a Punch or Push position. Then add a little pinching squeeze between the right thumb and forefinger. It is amazing how precise you can be HITTING chips like this. The coolest thing is you can go ahead and HIT the ball and shots still come off soft.

Concentrate on keeping your Bent Right Wrist and your Right Forearm Flying Wedge. I chip like this with one arm too. Just practicing keeping the wrist bent. I'm not sure I can't chip better with one hand than two.

Pretty good practice for tracing the plane line too. If you're having trouble controlling distances on your chips, you gotta try this.

KevCarter 12-04-2010 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79306)
Let's remember the short game!

Thanks Bucket!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=hand+speed

# 1

6-B-1-D and Chipping
"This action of Extensor force can be substituded for Downstroke Acceleration of the Arms and Hands – in part or wholly – for “less than full Power” shots calling for the precision execution of a heavy, constant Hand Speed through Release and Impact. Lag Pressure then can be the artificial pressure of a tight right forefinger grip – which, actually, can serve the same function for Backstroke guidance (6-C-1)."

This is a FANTASTIC way to chip! 2 chip ins saturday plus 2 on the practice green before sticking the peg in the ground. EC showed this to me. I kind of forgot until fooling around in the house trying to hit my wife's cat without breaking his nose.

You set up your elbow in a Punch or Push position. Then add a little pinching squeeze between the right thumb and forefinger. It is amazing how precise you can be HITTING chips like this. The coolest thing is you can go ahead and HIT the ball and shots still come off soft.

Concentrate on keeping your Bent Right Wrist and your Right Forearm Flying Wedge. I chip like this with one arm too. Just practicing keeping the wrist bent. I'm not sure I can't chip better with one hand than two.

Pretty good practice for tracing the plane line too. If you're having trouble controlling distances on your chips, you gotta try this.

You should rename this thread:

Having a BLAST with the Yellow Book!!! :salut: :)

It's fun to see others having as much fun with it as I am!

Kevin

JerryG 12-04-2010 04:52 PM

Well, Kev, it appears we might add some EA to our Monday agenda.

innercityteacher 12-04-2010 05:02 PM

More Winter Practice notes...

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=hand+speed
# 3

Thanks Mizuno Joe!

02-19-2005, 02:56 PM
MizunoJoe
Senior Member

Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 301
I prefer to think about Left Wrist speed rather than hand speed. The LW speed must be matched to the pulley size. The bigger the pulley, the further the butt of the club travels in the pulley section which requires the LW to move faster in order to stay ahead of it and to keep it from backing up. For the biggest pulley, the LW speed is determined by how fast you can rotate. This is how Woods generates so much speed. This is what Homer is talking about when he talks about a fast start down from the top with the LW throw.

The alternative is to minimize the pulley section and the LW speed required, so that the snap into the pulley section produces a lot of clubhead travel with a small amount of butt end travel in a short amount of time. This does not required a fast start down from the top. You can deliberately drive the club butt first longitudinally to a deep release point and then provide the LW speed required to match the small pulley.

innercityteacher 12-04-2010 05:20 PM

And there is a lot more Nowotny drills, too!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=hand+speed

#3 ff. Thanks Yoda!
The Nowotny Drill
Originally Posted by bts
Just wond
ering if there are any "anti-chicken wing" drills?
bts,

The dreaded 'chicken wing' simply disappears once the student learns the correct Release Motion Through the Ball per 7-24. In other words, he must learn to correctly allow the Clubhead to Overtake the Hands. In turn, this means learning to Roll the #3 Accumulator (the In-Line Left Arm and Club) through Impact and Follow-Through and into the Finish Swivel. At our Secrets of The Golfing Machine Workshop last August, a student and I met the monster and tamed it with a drill that now bears his name. From a post I wrote last August, here is...

The Nowotny Drill

Always remember that the express purpose of this drill -- done without a Club -- is to isolate and coordinate the respective functions of the two Hands: Right Hand...Clubhead. Left Hand...Clubface.

The Left Wrist is positioned in its Flat, Level and Vertical Impact Alignment. It remains at all times within a few inches of this location. Its only function is to Turn a bit to the right on the Backstroke and Roll a bit to the left on the Downstroke. Meanwhile, the Right Forearm is 'brushing' by the Left Hand with the Right Forefinger Tracing the Plane Line. Do not slap the Left Hand with the Right or in any way interfere with the Right Hand's passage by the Left. The Feel of the Right Hand Overtaking the Left (and of the Clubhead Overtaking the Hands) -- all without breaking down the Flat Left Wrist -- is the whole point of this drill.

As the Right Forearm and Right Forefinger #3 Pressure Point brush above the Left Hand through 'Impact,' the Left Hand simply 'Closes the door' with a Roll. This 'Closing' Motion of the Flat Left Wrist is felt in the Left Forearm. It can be practiced as both a Hinge Action -- the Left Arm moves forward a few inches as the Right Forearm brushes by -- and as a Swivel Action -- the Left Arm doesn't move. Until the 'chen-winging' student gets the Feel of the Overtaking, I recommend the focus remain on the Swivel Action.

The drill should be executed in continuous motion, i.e., the Right Forearm swings back and through and back and through continuously. Again, for the Swivel Action version, the Left Arm simply remains in its Impact Location as the Left Wrist Turns and Rolls (from the 'swivel' in the Left Forearm) in sync with the passing Right Forearm.

The benefit of this drill is that it trains independently but coordinately:

(1) The Right Hand and Forearm to sense Clubhead Lag Pressure and Trace the Plane Line, thus controlling the Clubhead and its Line of Flight through the Ball;

(2) The Left Hand to Hinge and Swivel, thus controlling the Clubface and the Rhythm of the Stroke, i.e., the Clubhead Overtaking of the Hands during the Impact Interval (from Release to Finish Swivel).

Do not allow the simplicity of this drill to cause you to underestimate its importance. It has the potential to do nothing less than revolutionize your Golf Stroke and with it, your entire Game.

Think Dorothy and her full-color entrance into the Land of Oz!
__________________
Yoda

#4
02-11-2005, 08:10 PM

Yoda
Administrator

Join Date: Jan 2005
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Posts: 8,613
The Nowotny And The Endless Belt
Relating the Nowotny Drill to the Endless Belt Effect:

Remember, the Belt Speed, i.e, the Hand Speed, does not change. The Surface Speed of the Clubhead increases dramatically, but only because of the Pulley Wheel Encounter, i.e., the Release Point (Study 2-K #6 and 10-24-A/B/C/D/E).

For the 'Pulley Wheel Effect' to occur, the Right Hand must Overtake the Left and the Clubhead must Overtake the Hands. So...

Keep 'brushing the Plane Line with the Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point and 'Closing the Door' with the Left Hand as the Right Forearm brushes by. Feel the Swivel (Sketch 2-K #4/#5) in the Left Forearm.
__________________


That should get us through next week anyway!

innercityteacher 12-04-2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79311)
And there is a lot more Nowotny drills, too!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=hand+speed

#3 ff. Thanks Yoda!
The Nowotny Drill
Originally Posted by bts
Just wond
ering if there are any "anti-chicken wing" drills?
bts,

The dreaded 'chicken wing' simply disappears once the student learns the correct Release Motion Through the Ball per 7-24. In other words, he must learn to correctly allow the Clubhead to Overtake the Hands. In turn, this means learning to Roll the #3 Accumulator (the In-Line Left Arm and Club) through Impact and Follow-Through and into the Finish Swivel. At our Secrets of The Golfing Machine Workshop last August, a student and I met the monster and tamed it with a drill that now bears his name. From a post I wrote last August, here is...

The Nowotny Drill

Always remember that the express purpose of this drill -- done without a Club -- is to isolate and coordinate the respective functions of the two Hands: Right Hand...Clubhead. Left Hand...Clubface.

The Left Wrist is positioned in its Flat, Level and Vertical Impact Alignment. It remains at all times within a few inches of this location. Its only function is to Turn a bit to the right on the Backstroke and Roll a bit to the left on the Downstroke. Meanwhile, the Right Forearm is 'brushing' by the Left Hand with the Right Forefinger Tracing the Plane Line. Do not slap the Left Hand with the Right or in any way interfere with the Right Hand's passage by the Left. The Feel of the Right Hand Overtaking the Left (and of the Clubhead Overtaking the Hands) -- all without breaking down the Flat Left Wrist -- is the whole point of this drill.

As the Right Forearm and Right Forefinger #3 Pressure Point brush above the Left Hand through 'Impact,' the Left Hand simply 'Closes the door' with a Roll. This 'Closing' Motion of the Flat Left Wrist is felt in the Left Forearm. It can be practiced as both a Hinge Action -- the Left Arm moves forward a few inches as the Right Forearm brushes by -- and as a Swivel Action -- the Left Arm doesn't move. Until the 'chen-winging' student gets the Feel of the Overtaking, I recommend the focus remain on the Swivel Action.

The drill should be executed in continuous motion, i.e., the Right Forearm swings back and through and back and through continuously. Again, for the Swivel Action version, the Left Arm simply remains in its Impact Location as the Left Wrist Turns and Rolls (from the 'swivel' in the Left Forearm) in sync with the passing Right Forearm.

The benefit of this drill is that it trains independently but coordinately:

(1) The Right Hand and Forearm to sense Clubhead Lag Pressure and Trace the Plane Line, thus controlling the Clubhead and its Line of Flight through the Ball;

(2) The Left Hand to Hinge and Swivel, thus controlling the Clubface and the Rhythm of the Stroke, i.e., the Clubhead Overtaking of the Hands during the Impact Interval (from Release to Finish Swivel).

Do not allow the simplicity of this drill to cause you to underestimate its importance. It has the potential to do nothing less than revolutionize your Golf Stroke and with it, your entire Game.

Think Dorothy and her full-color entrance into the Land of Oz!
__________________
Yoda



That should get us through next week anyway!


So the Hitter drives the # 3 PP Lag-laden past the FLW for maximum impact and hand speed into the ball. And the Swinger, as if they are playing from a bunker, pre-programs the moment, the speed, and the force of the Forward Swivel for the fraction of a second after impact!

This game is so easy! :smiley2304: :xmas-smiley-005: :sunny:

Notes to self: the # 3 PP rotates around the FLW on PLANE to stay on PLANE throughout its journey from Address to Top/End to Finish :. (therefore) the FLW is always beneath the FBRW and always beneath the PLANE. EXTENSOR ACTION IS ESSENTIAL TO HOLDING THE # 3 PP AND THE WEDGES ON PLANE AND PRODUCING THE PROPER HINGE, IMPACT, and the ESSENTIAL SWIVEL UNLEASHING ALL THAT HAS GONE BEFORE AN PLANE! (Remember "5 Lessons!" A Swivel backs needs a
Swivel through! It's logical and simple! LEFT ANCHOR/LEFT SHOULDER BACKHAND DOWN-THE -LINE/CROSS COURT/ OR DROP SHOT/LOB!)




Especially with LBG! :)


ICT

innercityteacher 12-05-2010 09:57 PM

My next five practice sessions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79311)
And there is a lot more Nowotny drills, too!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=hand+speed

#3 ff. Thanks Yoda!
The Nowotny Drill
Originally Posted by bts
Just wond
ering if there are any "anti-chicken wing" drills?
bts,

The dreaded 'chicken wing' simply disappears once the student learns the correct Release Motion Through the Ball per 7-24. In other words, he must learn to correctly allow the Clubhead to Overtake the Hands. In turn, this means learning to Roll the #3 Accumulator (the In-Line Left Arm and Club) through Impact and Follow-Through and into the Finish Swivel. At our Secrets of The Golfing Machine Workshop last August, a student and I met the monster and tamed it with a drill that now bears his name. From a post I wrote last August, here is...

The Nowotny Drill

Always remember that the express purpose of this drill -- done without a Club -- is to isolate and coordinate the respective functions of the two Hands: Right Hand...Clubhead. Left Hand...Clubface.

The Left Wrist is positioned in its Flat, Level and Vertical Impact Alignment. It remains at all times within a few inches of this location. Its only function is to Turn a bit to the right on the Backstroke and Roll a bit to the left on the Downstroke. Meanwhile, the Right Forearm is 'brushing' by the Left Hand with the Right Forefinger Tracing the Plane Line. Do not slap the Left Hand with the Right or in any way interfere with the Right Hand's passage by the Left. The Feel of the Right Hand Overtaking the Left (and of the Clubhead Overtaking the Hands) -- all without breaking down the Flat Left Wrist -- is the whole point of this drill.

As the Right Forearm and Right Forefinger #3 Pressure Point brush above the Left Hand through 'Impact,' the Left Hand simply 'Closes the door' with a Roll. This 'Closing' Motion of the Flat Left Wrist is felt in the Left Forearm. It can be practiced as both a Hinge Action -- the Left Arm moves forward a few inches as the Right Forearm brushes by -- and as a Swivel Action -- the Left Arm doesn't move. Until the 'chen-winging' student gets the Feel of the Overtaking, I recommend the focus remain on the Swivel Action.

The drill should be executed in continuous motion, i.e., the Right Forearm swings back and through and back and through continuously. Again, for the Swivel Action version, the Left Arm simply remains in its Impact Location as the Left Wrist Turns and Rolls (from the 'swivel' in the Left Forearm) in sync with the passing Right Forearm.

The benefit of this drill is that it trains independently but coordinately:

(1) The Right Hand and Forearm to sense Clubhead Lag Pressure and Trace the Plane Line, thus controlling the Clubhead and its Line of Flight through the Ball;

(2) The Left Hand to Hinge and Swivel, thus controlling the Clubface and the Rhythm of the Stroke, i.e., the Clubhead Overtaking of the Hands during the Impact Interval (from Release to Finish Swivel).

Do not allow the simplicity of this drill to cause you to underestimate its importance. It has the potential to do nothing less than revolutionize your Golf Stroke and with it, your entire Game.

Think Dorothy and her full-color entrance into the Land of Oz!
__________________
Yoda

#4
02-11-2005, 08:10 PM

Yoda
Administrator

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Posts: 8,613
The Nowotny And The Endless Belt
Relating the Nowotny Drill to the Endless Belt Effect:

Remember, the Belt Speed, i.e, the Hand Speed, does not change. The Surface Speed of the Clubhead increases dramatically, but only because of the Pulley Wheel Encounter, i.e., the Release Point (Study 2-K #6 and 10-24-A/B/C/D/E).

For the 'Pulley Wheel Effect' to occur, the Right Hand must Overtake the Left and the Clubhead must Overtake the Hands. So...

Keep 'brushing the Plane Line with the Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point and 'Closing the Door' with the Left Hand as the Right Forearm brushes by. Feel the Swivel (Sketch 2-K #4/#5) in the Left Forearm.
__________________


That should get us through next week anyway!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 79308)
Well, Kev, it appears we might add some EA to our Monday agenda.

What I've done wrong so far is worry about the balance and power of Zone 1, my Pivot. when I've competed effectively though, I just concentrated on Zone 3, the hands, especially the "vertically un-cocking left wrist."

Using that focus helped me shoot my lowest scores last year. I was "beaten" into that defensive focus because of the complexity of TGM and my own confusion. Reading VJT's "Final Missing Piece..." has given me Zone 1, Pivot clarity, and the physics necessary to see what I had ignored, mostly, since last March.

The physics in VJ's book are pretty simple. The closer something is to a rotational center, the faster it will move. Therefore, the closer a Swivel is to impact, or for a Swinger, the feel of a complete Horizontal Swivel (Hinge and Swivel) from Top to Finish, is essential to having Educated Hands.

Zones 1 and 2 without Zone 3, are Pivot controlled strokes and, I believe, a one-way ticket to a low, double digit hcp. Basic Motion must have a small Swivel!:salut:


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ghlight=swivel

# 1 Thanks Yoda.

This may have been covered, but how long is the flat left wrist held for in the stroke, and or the bent right wrist? Obviously beyond impact, but to the end of the follow through (or can it start to collapse then), or some time after follow through, or never? If held to at least the end of the follow through, is this why you need a pronounced swivel?

Also, is the finish part of the stroke (in terms of the arms etc) a mirror image of the backswing - ie bent left wrist, flat right wrist, or is it, as I saw stated elsewhere (by Yoda on the other Golfing Machine forum I think) a reassembly of the flying wedges with straight left wrist and bent right wrist (that feels super weird to me at the end of my swing!!!!)

Sorry for all the questions, but this one is bugging me a bit!

ChrisNZ



ChrisNZ,

The Left Wrist remains Flat through Impact, through the end of theFollow-Through (Both Arms Straight / 8-11) through the Flat andSwiveling-Back-On Plane Flat Left Wrist -- I know that is an "extra"Flat but I can't help myself and neither could Homer! -- until the Club flashesaround the Hands. [The Right Wrist loses its Bend as the Left Wrist completesits Hinge Action and Swivels back onto the Plane.] Then, and only then, doesthe Flat Left Wrist Bend -- as the Right Wrist Flattens against the Plane --and that Left Wrist Bend quickly returns to Flat as the really good playersrestore their Finish alignments.

The Finish is a mirror image only with Pure Swingers using the Standard LeftWrist Action (10-18-A). Here the Left Wrist is actually turned On Planein the Backstroke and Swiveled from Release into Impact on theDownstroke.

With Hitters, the Swivel from the Follow-Through into the Finish is the same aswith Swingers. However, since they use Single Wrist Action (10-18-C-2), theirBackstrokes and Downstrokes (especially from Release) will be markedlydifferent.

Also, Swingers utilizing Single Wrist Action Variation 10-18-C-1 (HorizontalHinge Motion to the On Plane Top) will not have the Swivel from Release intoImpact of the "Pure" Swinger. Instead, they will feel the long, slowSwivel of the Horizontal Hinge Motion from the Top to the Finish per 2-G.


Without a FLW and a proper Swivel, we are all just screwing around with less effective, incomplete stuff. Is anyone here really interested in having a 10 hcp.? Why bother with the game if we can't have zero to +2 hcp, when it is so do-able? As we know, we can completely reverse engineer a great ( I mean superbly effective) swing by concentrating only on "educated hands." That's what the world calls a professional touring pro. But those "feels" are damn difficult to standardize and as Lynn and HK have pointed out, proceed forth from certain mechanics. :think:

It is just as easy to learn effective mechanics. We are fortunate to know highly effective mechanics. \\:D/

:read:

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ghlight=swivel (everything!)


ICT

tim chapman 12-06-2010 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79337)
Without a FLW and a proper Swivel, we are all just screwing around with less effective, incomplete stuff. Is anyone here really interested in having a 10 hcp.? Why bother with the game if we can't have zero to +2 hcp, when it is so do-able? As we know, we can completely reverse engineer a great ( I mean superbly effective) swing by concentrating only on "educated hands." That's what the world calls a professional touring pro. But those "feels" are damn difficult to standardize and as Lynn and HK have pointed out, proceed forth from certain mechanics. :think:

It is just as easy to learn effective mechanics. We are fortunate to know highly effective mechanics.

ICT

enjoying the posts fella and the links leading to great previous threads. :)

With you on the hcp thing, when i was a 7/8 hcp i argued with them (it wasn't popular) that most in that bracket were swinging almost completely on a wing & a prayer - i know i was, but the fog is clearing now i think

ps the UK is doing a good impression of winter at the moment - minus 20 C overnight in places & snow & frost bound courses :crybaby:

innercityteacher 12-06-2010 01:17 PM

Tim, that is serious winter!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tim chapman (Post 79343)
enjoying the posts fella and the links leading to great previous threads. :)

With you on the hcp thing, when i was a 7/8 hcp i argued with them (it wasn't popular) that most in that bracket were swinging almost completely on a wing & a prayer - i know i was, but the fog is clearing now i think

ps the UK is doing a good impression of winter at the moment - minus 20 C overnight in places & snow & frost bound courses :crybaby:


To me, the "search" fucntions and insightful commentary from "well-trained" LBG folks make this site tremendous. I would rate myself as "slightly aware" of TGM issues which is why I rely on the search function heavily! :)

ICT

innercityteacher 12-06-2010 01:25 PM



http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ghlight=swivel

# 1 Thanks Yoda.

This may have been covered, but how long is the flat left wrist held for in the stroke, and or the bent right wrist? Obviously beyond impact, but to the end of the follow through (or can it start to collapse then), or some time after follow through, or never? If held to at least the end of the follow through, is this why you need a pronounced swivel?

Also, is the finish part of the stroke (in terms of the arms etc) a mirror image of the backswing - ie bent left wrist, flat right wrist, or is it, as I saw stated elsewhere (by Yoda on the other Golfing Machine forum I think) a reassembly of the flying wedges with straight left wrist and bent right wrist (that feels super weird to me at the end of my swing!!!!)

Sorry for all the questions, but this one is bugging me a bit!




My thought on this is that your wedges (FLW/BBRW) in a proper swing (with a good Finishing Swivel) remain intact until you remember to take them apart after the swing. For me, with all my weight (just about) on my left foot and knee bent, the very minute I lift my left shoulder is the minute my right thumb arrives at my left ear! SETUP/ ROLL Prep! (Are Your Prepared to roll on that line?)

ICT

innercityteacher 12-07-2010 11:39 PM

Feelings vs. Mechanics

One of the problems of a bio-mechanically sound theory of a golf swing, for me, is that every new reduction in "Compensations" unleashes a new set of feelings which are unknowns in terms of effectiveness.

Daryl gave me a suggestion a while back about a drill in which I set my right foot back to "feel" my back shoulder moving Down-Plane, effectively. It felt great and I shot an 83 or something being in a perfectly closed stance. I had no concept of Level Wrists or Swiveling. I just Hit Down on the ball.

So, I'm aware of that feeling. I'm also still in the glow of the Forward Swivel which feels great. I'm also loving being on my left side more as a power amplifier for my Swing (thanks Mr. Trolio). So, my temptation is to combine the right shoulder drive Down-Plane (Elbow Plane) which I know works with everything else, but then I loose the sensation of the Finishing Swivel which just seems so simple and powerful! In short, everything is starting to feel like 4 Barrel Hitting. Sometimes, I see dead Swingers and Hitters and I'm surrounded by Switters! Man, the desire to mix Components might drag everyone to have 10 or 12 Barrels!

Don't even mention how simple and powerful an almost zero shift TSP feels. What if I do just the Elbow Plane? That Hogan Pivot is so far over on my left side, I feel as if I can just fire my elbow straight down tracing the Plane and SMACK! Now if the snow just holds off for awhile, I have more smacking to do!

LBG should start 3 television channels: Look at Swinging, Look at Hitting, and Look at Switting.



ICT

innercityteacher 12-09-2010 12:39 AM

More attention to the Plane!

For the Swinger, there is a Up-Plane Swivel where the FLW Swivels flat on the face of the Plane. Coming Down-Plane with a Tom Watson Sweep Release is fine as long as the FBRW is below the Plane with the right palm facing the Plane. Centrifugal Force will throw the # 3 PP on Plane as the right arm sweeps Down and past the left leg to both arms straight and to the Finishing Swivel. I am not sure if this is Swinging or Switting but it is pretty damn effective.

Hogan, lining up with the ball inside his left heel, and being so far left before starting his Sweep down or Snap Release must've felt he was hitting the ball on a line extending at 90 degrees from his Target Line. he must've hit the inside quadrant of his ball 95 % of the time! Did Davis Love III do this, too? More research.

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BerntR 12-09-2010 02:10 AM

Inside aft quadrant equals a push or a hook or a draw.

Hogan hated the hook like a plague. He fought it for years. He did everything he could to avoid it. And eventually he brought it under control. Weak grip, cupped Left Wrist at the top. Anti hook ingredients. His bread and butter trajectory was a fade.

Many of those who tried to copy Hogans pattern ended up as slicers because they didn't all the other parts right - whatever they might be.

innercityteacher 12-09-2010 01:15 PM

Nice point! "Ejusto!!"
 
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Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 79424)
Inside aft quadrant equals a push or a hook or a draw.

Hogan hated the hook like a plague. He fought it for years. He did everything he could to avoid it. And eventually he brought it under control. Weak grip, cupped Left Wrist at the top. Anti hook ingredients. His bread and butter trajectory was a fade.

Many of those who tried to copy Hogans pattern ended up as slicers because they didn't all the other parts right - whatever they might be.

So, I'd better really employ the Horizontal Hinge! Thanks Bernt! :) Wait a minute. Is it possible that the steepness of his approach to the ball simply created an Angle Hinge regardless of his grip? Hmmm.


Will keep everyone posted!


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