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O.B.Left 03-24-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtsFan (Post 83317)
very nice OB! good ole VJ Trolio knows a little bit about that action:laughing9

For sure I was really enjoying his book till I lent it to my brother. Homer and Lynn have taught it for decades now. Hip Slide with a Delayed Turn. To me this is the second "Clear the Right Hip" of 12-3. The thing that could have fixed Tigers "stuck"'position maybe? Hogan cleared a path for his Right Elbow, Moe try to clear one that you could drive a truck through. Pitch elbow requires room which I think relates to that move they both display in Buckets videos maybe.

Axis Tilting gets the Right Shoulder down which is great but the associated Slide shifts the weight, centers up the Axis of rotation over the left side like vj pointed out and with the still turned back right hip creates a lane for the insie out delivery path of the right forearm, the elbow being the problem.

Took me years to realize this problem could create Release to avoid the collision. Is this another reason a lot of good golfers dip their Heads? To create a wider lane?


Sorry for going off topic............

P.S. To get it all on topic: If the Flat Back turn of the Right Shoulder in Startup cant make it all the way over to your desired plane at Impact (shaft plane probably, ideally) then the Slide (with the Delayed Turn) will get it there or at the very least closer. Failing that you could Vertical Drop, Shift Down to a lower plane or come in on a higher plane than your shaft plane.

This is all based on Plane Shifting be "hazardous" which it is, theoretically, although it can be trained and engrained obviously. Homer did define everything from zero shift to more planes than an airport to non shaft planar all together.

ColtsFan 03-24-2011 04:19 PM

no worries...I tried it for a while and had a couple great rounds, but for some reason I was getting ahead of the ball at impact and smothering or pushing everything.

I went into my back leg at the start of the BS, then made the lateral move toward the target in the later part of my BS. But before I knew it, my head & upper body were in front of the ball.

Im enjoying success now just using a basic (12-1,12-2?) drive load pattern a la Brian Gay, so I have shelved VJ's move for now. Doing a LOT of DS waggles per Lynn in Alignment Golf, feeling the pull...I do have a quesiton on drive loading that Im about to post in the hitters forum.

KevCarter 03-25-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ColtsFan (Post 83339)
no worries...I tried it for a while and had a couple great rounds, but for some reason I was getting ahead of the ball at impact and smothering or pushing everything.

I went into my back leg at the start of the BS, then made the lateral move toward the target in the later part of my BS. But before I knew it, my head & upper body were in front of the ball.

Im enjoying success now just using a basic (12-1,12-2?) drive load pattern a la Brian Gay, so I have shelved VJ's move for now. Doing a LOT of DS waggles per Lynn in Alignment Golf, feeling the pull...I do have a quesiton on drive loading that Im about to post in the hitters forum.

IMHO, and I hope someone corrects me if I am wrong...

MacDonald drill #2, while keeping some pressure on the left foot, and you are very close to the action of both Lynn and VJ... I am a very big fan of VJs book as well.

If I don't keep pressure on my left foot, I can't get left through impact... :naughty: I can try to get this fat, inflexible body to Hula-Hula all I want, but if I don't keep pressure on that left foot all I can do under the gun is spin around my right leg. Death move.

Another opinion, if you look at the principles of pressure on the left foot in S&T, TROLIO, and YODA, they are very similar. Centered Pivot, no matter how you get er done... :salut:

Kevin

ColtsFan 03-25-2011 12:21 PM

Kev,

When you keep pressure on the left foot are you less likely to get that feeling (or reality) that you are getting ahead of the ball at impact? Im all for "covering" the ball, but when I did VJ's pivot, or McHattons youtube "torque drill", or even Clements "hogan move" I always got ahead of the ball at impact.

When I do Lynn's DS waggle from the AG vid,,(stretch w/ extensor rightward as lower body is stretching toward the target) I dont get ahead of the ball, my head stays back and all is good.

Im prolly just "over cooking" VJ's move or something, but Im sure it could be a pretty dynamic move once mastered...

KevCarter 03-25-2011 03:26 PM

You've got to keep doing what works for you. Anything to stay centered and achieve YODA's alignments!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alAmQRn0Bus

Kevin

ColtsFan 03-25-2011 08:26 PM

true, true....is the master swinging here?

KevCarter 03-25-2011 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtsFan (Post 83370)
true, true....is the master swinging here?

Good question. I've thought four barrel hitting???

ColtsFan 03-25-2011 08:38 PM

what I like about his swing is that you don't really see a big slide left on the DS, barely even a noticeable bump...almost as if his left hip is already left at set up, and all he does is pull it out of the way on the DS.

I love it:laughing9

KevCarter 03-25-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtsFan (Post 83372)
what I like about his swing is that you don't really see a big slide left on the DS, barely even a noticeable bump...almost as if his left hip is already left at set up, and all he does is pull it out of the way on the DS.

I love it:laughing9

No wasted motion!

innercityteacher 03-29-2011 11:07 AM

Same song books
 
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Originally Posted by ColtsFan (Post 83357)
Kev,

When you keep pressure on the left foot are you less likely to get that feeling (or reality) that you are getting ahead of the ball at impact? Im all for "covering" the ball, but when I did VJ's pivot, or McHattons youtube "torque drill", or even Clements "hogan move" I always got ahead of the ball at impact.

When I do Lynn's DS waggle from the AG vid,,(stretch w/ extensor rightward as lower body is stretching toward the target) I dont get ahead of the ball, my head stays back and all is good.

Im prolly just "over cooking" VJ's move or something, but Im sure it could be a pretty dynamic move once mastered...

Hi CF, Kev, sportsfans.

I have been cycling around all these images, also. A couple of times I did VJ's move on purpose and got a sold 230 yard carry. But I could not replicate it. since that time, I have realized the Flail's importance and the power of arms in Zone 2, and the needed connectedness of the chains.

I played last Sunday morning with one thought. I made myself swing around a stationary head. It was 35 degrees and blustery with a sunny sky. We were playing two man better ball so I was taking some chances I would not normally take and shot 9 pars but 3 doubles and one trip bogie =91 :(

Our team core was 73. My bulls eye putter was so sweet. Thanks JerryG!

The greens were like ice, so to speak! LOL Oh wait, freezing is 32 degr. F.
:golf:


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