You must be talking about Kevin, Gerry!
 

:happy3: :happy3:

I am a mean and fiesty old man that terrorizes sub-urban types that live in Bollingbrook, IL! :)

I read the post Amen suggested, and like Kevin, I saw an urbane agreement to disagree, which was, in itself, very encouraging.

I felt like Lynn was saying things like:


To your question:

I advocate a Right Shoulder that moves back to the Inclined Plane (Turned Shoulder Plane / 10-13-B), not a Left Shoulder that moves down (toward wherever).

I advocate Hands that move from an Elbow Plane (10-6-A) to the Turned Shoulder Plane (Single Shift / 10-7-B), not Hands that move from a Hands Plane (10-6-E) to an Elbow Plane ("X" Classification).

Andy Plummer (Plumdog on this site) and Mike Bennett are friends that I meet on the practice tees of the PGA TOUR. I admire their work, but on these two points . . .

We definitely see things differently.

In my version of S&T, my right forearm is on plane and my left wrist is level. Standing on my right leg just picks up my RFT and EA (on the inclined plane), and I then have to drop on to the elbow plain by thrusting my back hip. Maybe it's not close to being S&T, but my point is that I am ALWAYS TILTING LEFT, so why not just smack the crap out of the ball using it?


I've made so many changes to my golf swing since March of 2010, I don't remember my name or the color fur I used to have!

I could call it the "Gimp Smacker!" :laughing9

YBGF

Dear Gimp Smacker,

You're doing great.

Regards, looking forward to your ass whoopin,

Daryl

PS. You're over 500 posts and the introspection is encouraging, but it may also help if you read some of them written by others.

You mean besides yours and Yoda's?
 

That was a little harsh "D." I read lots of posts. Anyway, 18 holes of match play and 18 of stroke?

YBGF

You're right. It was harsh. Please accept my apology.

Woooohhhhh! Those evil "D" Planers really shook you up!
 

You have never apologized to me before! Daryl, it's ok to be you! The bad people are gone. Yoda and the guys tossed them or led them to a conversion.

John's apologized to everyone;shhhh, don't tell anyone but he sent me a Honey-Baked ham, a dozen Titleists (Pro V-1's) and asked me to be his friend! :)

I'm holding out for a singing fish and a lobster-gram! I have scruples!

There's only one thing I can think of saying that would reflect my admiration of you and my acceptance of your apology. It's something I'd say to you in person as a Chicagoan, face-to face, and it rhymes with duck blue. :) :laughing9

April 18th-21st in Cuscowilla!

YBGF

Don Corleone: What's the matter with you? I think your brain is going soft with all that comedy you are playing with that young girl. Never tell anyone outside the Family what you are thinking again. Go on.

I felt like Lynn was saying things like:


To your question:

I advocate a Right Shoulder that moves back to the Inclined Plane (Turned Shoulder Plane / 10-13-B), not a Left Shoulder that moves down (toward wherever).

I advocate Hands that move from an Elbow Plane (10-6-A) to the Turned Shoulder Plane (Single Shift / 10-7-B), not Hands that move from a Hands Plane (10-6-E) to an Elbow Plane ("X" Classification).

Andy Plummer (Plumdog on this site) and Mike Bennett are friends that I meet on the practice tees of the PGA TOUR. I admire their work, but on these two points . . .

We definitely see things differently.[/color]

In my version of S&T, my right forearm is on plane and my left wrist is level. Standing on my right leg just picks up my RFT and EA (on the inclined plane), and I then have to drop on to the elbow plain by thrusting my back hip. Maybe it's not close to being S&T, but my point is that I am ALWAYS TILTING LEFT, so why not just smack the crap out of the ball using it?


I've made so many changes to my golf swing since March of 2010, I don't remember my name or the color fur I used to have!

I could call it the "Gimp Smacker!"

YBGF[/quote]

All of the above and most basically, to me, pressure against the shaft. If I am not feeling the pressure against the shaft I might just as well be cleaning fish.

It's Not All About A Method
 

Guys, please don't get me wrong. It's feel from mechanics...

This is the model I am trying to get to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alAmQRn0Bus

I am working to get to these alignments and will use feels from anyone that will get me there. We all have our issues, besides my elbow, I have arthritis in my back and shoulders. When I "feel" a flat shoulder turn on the backstroke, my left shoulder is actually staying higher than my right! If I "feel" a rotated shoulder turn, I look just like YODA. When I "feel" as though I am staying centered, my upper center moves way back over my right foot, making me look like a refuge from the brand X camp, we don't want that! I need to feel a little tilting left to look like YODA in my model.

If we could all spend time in Cuscawillo, we wouldn't need to look at other stuff, but left to our own inadequacies... Someday when my ship comes in I will get there and be able to do away with other compensations!

City, you mentioned you want to get there faster... it doesn't happen. Keep studying here. you know the guys you need to pay attention to, and they are all here. Keep watching video of great swings. Find what they have in common in YOUR minds eye. Find what works for you, that's how our friend Jerry has improved so much. He uses YODA as a model as well. Study and dig it out of the dirt your way!

BTW, right now one of the biggest riddles I think I've solved is YODA's left knee action. The pouncing cat. I think the text came from our buddy 12 Piece Bucket.




Kevin

We should get "Ben Gay" to sponsor this website!!!!
 

LMAO!!!! Does Bucket like cats more than goats? :)


YBGF

Let's get technical!
 

All of the above and most basically, to me, pressure against the shaft. If I am not feeling the pressure against the shaft I might just as well be cleaning fish.[/quote]

Pressure against the shaft? Let's get technical!

I was scanning the web pages and saw a training aid mimic Ernest Jones' device of a penknife tied to a handkerchief, which I had tried after buying the book long ago.

How important is moving that "Pressure," or "Lag?" "...over-all control by the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point (6-C-2) and that manipulation of its Loading Procedure determines the Physics of both Hitting and Swinging (Study 6-H-0, 7-3, and 7-20.)

Ernst Jones had his leg destroyed by grenade in WWI...


Swinging on Fifth Avenue
Charles Price
April 21, 1958
Controversy and success are Golf Pro Ernest Jones's twin rewards at a New York salon

The professional golfer who probably conducts more lessons than any other instructor in the game, a scholarly little man named Ernest Jones, does his teaching exclusively in a midtown New York office building. His studio is on the seventh floor of a Fifth Avenue skyscraper, two doors from 43rd Street, in an area given over to chrome and glass bank buildings, high-priced music stores and slow-paced shoppers—an environment with which Jones's studio is thoroughly out of fashion. Dusty, disheveled, totally lacking in fresh air and sunshine, it looks like an abandoned pool hall.

In this unprepossessing habitat Jones gives perhaps five times as many lessons as any other golf pro in the world. What is more, this tireless anomaly has only one leg, can drive a golf ball a hundred yards while sitting in a chair and believes that everything taught by all other pros is bunkum. He has the results to prove it.

In taking your first lesson from Jones you are requested to forget everything you ever heard about the game. It is generally conceded that in order to hit the ball you must keep your eye on it. Jones thinks you can hit it with your eyes shut. It is also conceded that, in order to gain momentum, you should apply footwork. Again he disagrees. He lost his right leg in World War I and has broken par on championship courses while balanced on his left foot. In fact, Jones disputes all the usually accepted tenets of golf. If you want to know what's wrong with your swing, Jones is not your man. "There's nothing wrong with any golf swing," he says. "The trouble is you don't swing."

Jones's teaching schedule starts promptly at 9:30 every morning, Monday through Friday, and he allows half an hour to each pupil. Now 67, he arrives at his studio wearing a double-breasted blue serge suit, with a boutonniere from the garden of his Long Island home. Of conservative English background, with a heroic military record in the Royal Fusiliers, he hasn't a sports shirt to his name.

BRACES AND A LISP

In beginning work, he removes his coat and teaches in his suspenders. Leaning on his cane and speaking with a slight trace of a lisp, as though he hadn't complete faith in his dentures, he delivers his instructions to students, along with quotations from the works of such other liberals as Galileo, Thomas Jefferson and Oscar Hammerstein II. On the floor of the studio there is a rubber mat from which students hit balls into a canvas backdrop, situated about the length of two billiard tables away. The student is told to assume his normal stance and, utilizing only his hands, to swing the clubhead back and forth across the rubber mat, as though dusting it off. Lengthening the arc, he soon begins to feel the centrifugal force of the clubhead. Then Jones points out that the pivot and the shifting of the weight, to name two of the more complicated contortions of executing a golf shot, are actually normal reactions to this force. "Swing the club-head," Jones commands. "Swing it, and you can forget everything else."

This is what Jones calls the "indivisible swing," and on it he will commit his reputation to the ages.

When the student is really swinging, Jones starts playing Viennese waltzes on a portable phonograph. For the golf club he substitutes other implements he keeps on hand. One is simply a length of one-inch rope. Another is a ball of wrapping paper tied to a string. His favorite is a penknife tied to a handkerchief.

A SWING IS BORN

Jones made his discovery of the indivisible swing as a result of his war injury. Born in the suburbs of Manchester, England, he was apprenticed to a clubmaker at 12, following his father's death. At 16 he owned his own shop but he soon gave that up to become an assistant professional at the Chislehurst Golf Club, which had a near-championship course and a fine old clubhouse that had once been a retreat for the Empress Eugenie. He became a talented player, making consistently good showings in the British Open, and in 1913, when he was 25, he was made head pro at Chislehurst. In March 1915, while he was serving with the Sportsman's Battalion in France, he was hit with a grenade, and his right leg had to be amputated. On his first day out of the hospital he attempted a round of golf.

Walking with the aid of crutches, which he was using for the first time, he executed each shot while balanced precariously on his left foot. Jones discovered that if he ignored the length of shaft between his grip and the club-head (it is the shaft that has to be whipped around with the aid of the torso and legs) and concentrated instead on controlling the clubhead in the same way you would a weight tied at the end of a string, he could keep his balance and smack the ball with authority, too. He shot the front 9 at Royal Norwich in 38. Exhausted, he stumbled through the back 9 in 45.

If concentrating on the clubhead helped him keep his balance on one leg, Jones reasoned, it couldn't hurt with two. Furthermore, being essentially a circle, a true swing would return to the point from which it
began: namely, the ball. Thus he decided that the one categorical imperative in golf was not to hit the ball but to swing the clubhead with a motion similar to that of a pendulum. The ball would take care of itself. He has no truck with the slow backswing, the straight left arm, wrist action, the pivot, the weight shift, and the follow-through, among other popular notions. "All that is so much nonsense," he says. "You can't divide the swing into parts and still have the swing. A cat is a cat. If you dissect it, you'll have blood and guts and bones, but no cat."

Like the steering wheel of a car in the hands of some drivers, the handle of a golf club presents for some people an irresistible impulse to use more power than is necessary. They add a little elbow action or some other such leverage for good measure. This defeats its own purpose. The clubhead is taken out of its orbit, the swinging motion is destroyed, clubhead speed is diminished, the ball drifts through the air and the golfer's fancy turns to thoughts of tennis. The scientific fact on which Jones's theory is based is that force=speed[Sup2]x weight. Applied to golf, this means you cannot move the clubhead any faster than you can swing it. Golfers discover the theory accidentally when they intentionally swing easily on a short shot only to have the ball fly beautifully into a hazard. By swinging naturally they develop clubhead speed—and therefore distance.

At a convention of the Professional Golfers Association in Duluth, Jones was invited to explain his curious views in a speech which turned into an inquisition. The resulting arguments filled 17 pages of printed transcript and made Jones the most hotly debated teacher in golf. Horton Smith, then the incoming president of the association, told Jones his system was "too simple. We wouldn't sell enough lessons." "That's the trouble," Jones replied. "You want your pupils to suffer further. Once you get people to swing the club, it'll grow on them." After this trial by fire and other skirmishes with the Professional Golfers Association, Jones has become dogmatic, to say the least. According to Jimmy Thomson, another pro with more flexible views, "Ernest doesn't concede even the possibility of there being another way of playing the game. He thinks you should either play his way or quit the game."

The average pro gives around 600 lessons a year. Jones gives 3,000. At the Ernest Jones Golf School, 518 Fifth Avenue, he charges $5 a lesson. Because of the demand for his instruction, some of his pupils think he should charge several times this amount. His detractors wonder how Jones has the nerve to charge anything. He doesn't solicit finished or semifinished golfers, but finds his biggest challenge in housewives and office-atrophied businessmen.

Frequently, the half hour that Jones allots to each student turns into an hour, while the next pupil stands by. By midafternoon it is not uncommon to find six pupils stacked up, a malpractice that has cost Jones his lunch hour for decades. Somehow or other the last pupil is accommodated by 4:30, when Jones retires to the Brass Rail across Fifth Avenue for a drink that in some circles is considered no less heretical than Jones himself. It consists of whisky, water and lemon juice in equal proportions, which he downs in one gulp.

GET GOOD QUICK GOLF

Most professionals will concede that if you want to learn to play golf quickly and with a minimum of confusion, his method is probably the most practical. Though Jones has written two books on his method—and they have sold well—he says the swing cannot be described in words, drawn with a pencil or recorded by a camera. His 40th lesson is not likely to be any different from his first: just swing the clubhead. "I'm after what's right, not what's wrong," he says. "When the clubhead is swung, truly swung, with the hands and particularly with the fingers, nothing can possibly go wrong. Of course, nobody can swing it perfectly every time. But he should try. It's the one thing that causes a good golf shot." Rising to his feet, with a beneficent expression on his features and his hands raised in benediction, he says, "Golfers suffer from paralysis by analysis. They remind me of the centipede." When silence prevails, he begins to recite:

A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun
Said, "Pray, which leg goes after which?"
This put his mind in such a fix
He fell distracted in a ditch
Considering how to run.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...#ixzz132xLXx2Q

Given my artificial hip blah blah blah, I was amazed by Ernest Jones' story. I tried swinging the head of the club for days, weeks, and months. Not a clue, had I. So my next specimen for examination was Moe Norman. Auto accident, messed up, my guy! Until the recently published videos of Moe on You Tube, I didn't get their connection. (It's a pendulum, back and forth, back and forth.) They both swung the clubhead with one or two legs! What did they swing? The clubhead? No, they swung the Lag! Others knew how, TGM has explained how!

The 7th Edition of TGM says (7-19) "The correct Clubhead Lag Pressure is a dead-weight inertia...a wet mop...constant Loading, constant direction."

What does a one-legged man and two leged man have in common? You see, I was worried about the shortness of my front leg. Like both men, and all other golfers, I can change direction! :)

"...constant Loading,constant direction. A careful nursing of Clubhead Feel. Clubhead Lag can be established in three different ways:

1) by resisting the Backstroke motion for Drive Loading
2) with the Start Down motion for Float Loading and
3) by "throwing" the Club against the Lag Pressure Point at the Top for Drag Loading"

I was confused by "A careful nursing." After all, Lynn "DRAGS the wet mop." In Lord of the Rings, the Fellowship comes to the entrance to the Dwarves' mountain. The gate has a code; "Speak Friend and Enter!" "Careful," has lots of meanings and only one of them is "slowly."

I wonder what earlier editions said at that point?

Yesterday, and the day before, I figured out part of the mystery. Like Kevin and Jerry, I started pressuring the shaft. I noticed I hit the ball as far and straight with a hip high reversal of my swing, smashing # 3 PP into the club before it reversed. THE BALL LEFT MY DRIVER LIKE A PINBALL OFF A BUMPER!

I thought of Lynn hitting a driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYfOw_7jCTA

He may go back "carefully" but he explodes that Pivot and # 3 PP!


I thought of Lynn's THROW of his vertically uncocking left wrist.

www.torquegolf.com ...get it? :) " Just BAM!..."You're going to have shots that act a whole lot different!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVws0CQqTDc

I thought of Lynn working with and beating the hell out of an impact bag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCWUyW0cN-w

But the real spotlight went off with Holies and Polies

You can't slow the Lag down one-handed, all you can do is change directions!!!! Your leg, knee, your bald head, Daryl's fat belly, OB's charm, Jerry's hat, and Kevin's freckles just don't matter!
Torque that # 3 PP, torque the LAG!

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...=85&video_id=8

And don't forget the "Gimp Smacker!" That boy is hitting the snot out of that ball with a very violent move! "Punch all the way through..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smYDJ0Ut-G0

So Jerry, keep driving that handle back smashinging it against the # 3 PP, while driving that right elbow through that club handle! May I recommend a shorter version for your wedges and short irons?

YBGF

Hey City.

You must be happy that Doc Halladay got the job done tonight. Thanks for the Ernest Jones article that's very interesting.

Here's something for you from John Allan May, a pen pal of Homer's.


http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=128772038 9

Very nice article, OB, thanks.
 

I will be "keeping my mind in my hands," continously! HALLAdY IS AMAZING!

YBGF

First we gave you Bernie Parent , then we gave you Hal.aday .......you guys must think its christmas or something. Hey we got this Justin Beiber kid up here, you're really gonna love him ......please.


The thing about swinging the head is your swinging it past the hands......throwaway.....its ok if you make contact before the head passes the hands maybe but there's a better way. Hands are just clamps, swing the hands, its a all about the hands but its not a handsy swing.

Thanks OB, for everything and I mean it.
 

EJONES emphasized feeling the weight of the penknife as you tug the handkerkerchief. You know, in the history of the world, their are very few truly new idea, but many, many timely expressions which "tip" the awareness of a group or culture. HK, may happiness surround him and his peeps, gave the golfing universe a brain transplant so deftly, that most people thought they were feeling a cool breeze on a hot day.

LBG is removing pebbles in the way of HK's boulder sliding down a 30 degree angle.

Speaking of JB, and growing up as a Chicago kid, it hits me as really funny when I have to tell my students (99.9% African American, and on complete government assistance) that they have to stop watching his videos and get to work. It's ironic since when I was in 8th grade, Diana Ross, The Temptations, Barry White, Nat King Cole etc. were my "cool cats."

And when they go to Miley Cyrus....I just don't get it!:laughing9

I'll admit to several Canadians I admire, present company included, but none I'd like to date, A LOT, more the Shania Twain!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a wonderful world, Mr. Armstrong, what a wonderful world, oh yeah!

Is that new Avatar part of your Tiger Woods Golf Swing Training method? :laughing9

1. Is she a Caddie?
2. How much weight can she carry?
3. Does she have "Sherpa" experience? That's a question I would ask because I don't want her breaking down while carrying my bag up a steep slope.
4. Can she be quiet?

Innercity kids watching Beiber videos ........what hath Usher ushered in?

We'll let you keep Celine Dion, Beiber and throw in William Shatner if you give us back Shania and Halladay and for crying out loud we need a few good forwards for the leafs too. That Richards guy would look good in blue and white.

Celine's still got some up side man.....you keep her....please.

Thing are looking bad for the Leafs, bro.
 

Maybe if someone takes her to the ROM, she would wear a Leafs' sweater!


ICT

More Notes to myself after 9 months of TGM...
 

In case ST, my old flame is reading, She meant nothing to me sweetie, it was late, my blood sugar was low, the guys said they were putting the band back together...

The orbit of the sweet spot is monitored by the # 3 PP so that the Hitter and Swinger can properly stay on plane. That is a 3 dimensional orbit. I had worried about the imbalance and shortness in my left leg influencing where my impact point really is. But I had worried so much about the DOWN, I forgot about the OUT, which the # 3 PP is essential for monitoring the "OUTNESS" of the plane of the club.

As soon as I started throwing the club OUT to find my Impact Point, my swinging strongly improved in distance, trajectory (inverted fish-hook), and direction (spin). My Impact Point, just as Jerry and Kevin pointed out, is much further forward, not 3" inside the left heel, but at the very inside edge of my left heel.

Having found the Impact Point, the question of Hinging becomes important. For me, with a leg shortness, Horizontal Hinging doesn't make much sense since the ball is smothered or sharply yanked left. In contrast, using the Angle Hinge allows for a straight ball with a high trajectory. My Pivot for Swinging must be full and under control to maintain balance and find the Impact Point.

Hitting is much easier with the Impact Point found. The issue is to "push the handle" crossline with # 3 PP, not the clubhead, after RFT/Light EA provides the left elbow as a marker pointing to the Impact Point. Moving the elbow left to Hula allows an almost straight OUT and DOW thrust through the ball while pushing club handle.

ICT

ICT

You saying your affair with Stack and Tilt is over?

Dude she's from Timmins , of course she has a leaf sweater........sheez!

His chubby idiot pro from Anoka hadn't learned or communicated the MacDonald drills very well. I had an epiphany with drill #2 over the weekend, and the team is back to Yoda's basic and greatest hits. :) :salut:

Kevin

This ones for you city.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6161.html


But of course there are exceptions.......you could "swing the club head" in an attempt to hit a flop shot or sand shot say with .....intentional throwaway. Not that this is the only way to hit a high shot but......just saying. To me the 10-3-J Pause Minor Basic Stroke sure feels like Im swinging the clubhead past the hands, which come to a stop or "pause" as the clubhead whips past them.

Whatever lends itself to compression ....when reversed, lends itself to an intentional loss of compression. That's a pretty good line if I say so myself.. Maybe Ill run that one by Daryl for approval.

Kevin, I'm an adult capable of buying my own enchladas and Pink Lemonade by the
 

....pitcher. Shania Twain = ST, Stack and Tilt is a really good Pivot controlling the hands IMHO. You are not an idiot, Kevin, nor is Jerry, we are all just learning. It takes me awhile to reflect on things and I need the Pivot to give my arms and hands power and to fire OUT and DOWN my FLW striking the ball.

Watching those guys clued me in on adding a lot more out to my hands. OB, I use throwaway out of the bunker all the time and it works for me, there.

Nice LBG quote btw.

OUT is big for me since it balances the imbalance of my hands, feels # 3PP strongly and lets me whip it down out and forward through the ball.

Daryl, if MS. ST ever consents to be my caddie, my hcp. will suffer for about 6 months while I teach her all I can about other stuff! :)


Canadian kids need computer teachers, too!

ICT

An Awesome Journey
 

I threw away a good dozen billable hours consuming this tale of Patrick, his long back leg, 11 surgeries, Minnesota Beer Fund, John Savage, that clicky thing someone wants to know about, an unfortunate run-in with apple cider beer, pondering what Pat's wife is doing during this whole never-ending saga of 36 hole summer days, crazy alphabet soup, the secret handshake that allowed admission to the basement inner sanctum, Daryl's needlessly harsh barb, outtakes from Moby Dick, etc etc etc. I'm impressed, envious and inspired by Pat's awesome improvement during this thread. Now I know for sure that I can do it too...any beer money left to motivate a 17 handicap Lakers fan who wants more and just ordered his copy of Alignment golf?:pray:

I deny any allegations of being "harsh". Ya know, in Philadelphia, between two Italians, that's considered "Pillow Talk". forgetaboudit. :laughing9

I think that "Innercityteacher" is the alter-ego of this guy who lives in Cody, Wyoming. His name is Chad Ostopowitz, a Real estate Broker who divorced two years ago from his wife of 3 years, Betty-Anne, a full time teacher at a grade-school in a city nearby. I think the Leg Injury is true, but it stems from a demolition derby he lost 6 years ago. About 18 months ago, he moved from his studio apartment above a liquor store, into a foreclosed (due to the economic crisis) one Bedroom condo on a golf course. His doctor suggested golf as a form of rehabilitation.

From what I can gather, he's doing better and has a girlfriend, Gloria, who waits tables part-time at the Golf-course "Grille" where he teaches "line-Dancing" classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays. They have recently adopted dog. My sources say it's a Schnauzer named "Bingo".

Some of this is speculation.

Welcome to the tree house, bro!
 

Get a copy of TGM, the book, 6th or 7th edition, and look at a few fellow TGM'rs like Gotham Blog and Golf lag tips.com. They seem to be as whack as I am but they have SKILLS and they love LBG!

It also helps to have a new Schnauzser who needs a lot of watching and sits with me as I write!


ICT

It also helps to have a new Schnauzser who needs a lot of watching and sits with me as I write!


ICT[/quote]

As a matter of fact, I have Henry and Holly (canines) on either side of me as I sit here reading my favorite thread and dreaming about Compression.

The Schnauzer's name is "Anna Louisa."
 

Chad is my real estate broker. LOL!

ICT

Multi-perspectivalism meets TGM
 

As a matter of fact, I have Henry and Holly (canines) on either side of me as I sit here reading my favorite thread and dreaming about Compression.[/quote]

In one of my graduate programs, we tried to imagine every intellectual point as a 3-dimensional, and look at it from as many sides as possible.

So, if my "mind is in my hands," and "sustaining the lag in balance" are top priorities, certain things must be done.

The Plane is the thing so medium EA is essential with either Hitting or Swinging. A steepness on my front side should actually give my right shoulder a "head start" with a little momentum. So my front hip needs to be out of the way with Hula or an open stance, about 20 degrees for a driver and as much as 30 degrees for everything else. A narrow stance, within the shoulders, helps me feel like that exercise where you stand with your feet together and swing back and through.

With my leg shortness, simply using EA and RFT activates # 3 PP, and stepping left,or simply raising my left shoulder a tad, or even a slight bump left gives me all the room I need. It allows me to drive my right shoulder, arms, hands and the Lag straight DOWN and OUT on Plane through the handle, and through the ball and through the ground. Or, with the same medium EA, simply roll on the TSP and Pivot the shoulder down!

I have two more days to post scores until the last GAP revision of the season. My hcp index is 11.1 now. I'm confident I can control the LAG well enough to shoot par or better. It's 38 degrees here tonight and the high tomorrow is called for 60 degrees and 65 degrees on Sunday. Our regular foursome is disbanded for the season. Maybe I can get in 72 holes this weekend!

Having a new/used Adams 9.5 degree (stiff shaft) Speed Driver helps!!!!

Now, a set of muscleback irons, maybe, and a trip to Cuscowilla in April....what's the weather like there in December I wonder?


ICT

ICT

A funny thing happened to me on the way to the forum.
 

In one of my graduate programs, we tried to imagine every intellectual point as a 3-dimensional, and look at it from as many sides as possible.

So, if my "mind is in my hands," and "sustaining the lag in balance" are top priorities, certain things must be done.

The Plane is the thing so medium EA is essential with either Hitting or Swinging. A steepness on my front side should actually give my right shoulder a "head start" with a little momentum. So my front hip needs to be out of the way with Hula or an open stance, about 20 degrees for a driver and as much as 30 degrees for everything else. A narrow stance, within the shoulders, helps me feel like that exercise where you stand with your feet together and swing back and through.

With my leg shortness, simply using EA and RFT activates # 3 PP, and stepping left,or simply raising my left shoulder a tad, or even a slight bump left gives me all the room I need. It allows me to drive my right shoulder, arms, hands and the Lag straight DOWN and OUT on Plane through the handle, and through the ball and through the ground. Or, with the same medium EA, simply roll on the TSP and Pivot the shoulder down!

I have two more days to post scores until the last GAP revision of the season. My hcp index is 11.1 now. I'm confident I can control the LAG well enough to shoot par or better. It's 38 degrees here tonight and the high tomorrow is called for 60 degrees and 65 degrees on Sunday. Our regular foursome is disbanded for the season. Maybe I can get in 72 holes this weekend!

Having a new/used Adams 9.5 degree (stiff shaft) Speed Driver helps!!!!

Now, a set of muscleback irons, maybe, and a trip to Cuscowilla in April....what's the weather like there in December I wonder?


ICT

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Yesterday, I was feeling vary strong an adventurous. And at Paxon Hollow CC http://www.paxonhollowcc.com/ I struck my drives by EA/Pivot/Pivot/ Right arm thrust and played from the tips. I swung slowly and had my ball at my left heel with a 10 degree closed stance. I hit every fairway and most greens even as they hung on the side of 2-4 club elevated hills.

I shot 10 over. Puts and chips really break on top of hills! Who knew? :)

I'm licking my chops over a 4 foot birdie putt on a nasty par five elevated four stories over the fairway, and it breaks off the green! That happened about 9 times, yesterday.

So, after 65 rounds this year or so, I've come to some startling conclusions. Keep the ball below the hole!!!! Hitting the ball well is not good golf! Working backwards from the hole and planning your shots is great golf! Leaving yourself vary easy par putts is greart golf! 275 yard drives and 120 yard wedges 20 feet above the pin on a downhill putt is just stupid! :mad: Using my old bullseye putter from the fringe is a higher percentage than trying to skip a wedge close to the hole and missing it by 10 feet. UGH!

Great golf is saving par until I develop my rhythm and start throwing darts at the green within 15 feet of the pin and letting the ball die at the hole on the birdie putt and on the long par putt! Great golf is 3 over, not 12 over with two spectacular 30 foot par putts!

I know how to sustain Lag on Plane, now. I know to set up with more weight on my left side and that a smooth Pivot and careful Thrust really torques the club and allows me to play 400 plus par fours as a solid competitor.

Daryl mentioned this about 6 weeks ago but I was concentrating on being Godzilla! I do that a lot. I try to make 15 foot birdies and let the ball go 6 feet past the hole. I miss the comeback putt a lot! Stupid! If I'd just lag the ball 3 inches past the cup, I'd be a single digit hcp. instead of an 11.1! Last afternoon, I knew how to be 3 over or maybe even 1 under if I'd play within myself and not try to be a superstar!

(I hit a guy's Taylor Made Tour Burner 10.5 degree and teed the ball a little lower. It flew into the woods (265 yards) on the fly!)

So, I'm done for the year! Next year I'll play 30 less rounds of golf and hit 100 extra chips, sand shots and putts each week.

This Winter? Shag bag, baby! No charge to use the putting green and chipping around it! No charge to wander off to the closest green and hitting chips and puts close to the pin! Let's see, 30 rounds less * $50 = a week at Cuscowilla and a roundtrip flight to MN! And, with all those sandies and pars I'll be making, the Monday group will be making lots of donations to the various Beer Funds!
:laughing9

Shhhh! don't tell them the plan! 150 yards and in is magic!


ICT

You learned a lot. :)

Those old bullseye putters were sweet. Never owned one but "ah yes I remember them well". Didnt look like it but they were all sweetspot.

Yes But! You can't pick up the ball or get it out of the hole with that putter. All the edges are rounded so they would not cut the company's ball as made back then. ( thats a "thin skin" comment on the acushnet, titleist, balata, situation of the day).

HB

good point, Bear. I use a Bullseye from time to time, but I really like my 8802 style putters so I can get that lip under it and flip the pellet to the other hand.

Time for new clubs?
 

Now, I know very little about these clubs I'm trying except that Kev Carter thinks they are pretty good.

The clubs are a lot lighter than the perimeter weighted Callaway knock-offs I have been playing for 5 years (extended by 1.5 " each and the thickest possible grips). The Titleists Z's set up to the ball very clearly. My ball position is sharply back unless my stance is much narrower. The clubs have only one direction, DOWN.

These clubs seem to really bite down and really seem to emphasize LAG pressure on # 3 PP. Once I feel the pressure engage, I drive my shoulder, hip or elbow DOWN, or I pull/drive the axe handle down, and the clubs is down and through before I know it except for a really loud, flat "Klack-ZZZ" sound. The clubs seem very light, and almost dare a person to see how powerfully they can be sent DOWN and UP and Around!.

There is no doubt as to the direction of the shot. If I stay on PLANE, the ball goes straight and high! There was plenty of light at 4:30 p.m. tonight, but the ball just got smaller a lot faster! My Callaway knock-offs are "high trajectory" but these Z's are every bit as high in ball flight, unless I want to punch the ball low.

Punching the ball low seems much easier. As a matter of fact, the ball seems to do whatever my #3 PP makes it do! LOL :)

So that's why people play this kind of club!

I'm playing tomorrow to celebrate Veterans' Day! Supposed to be 60 degrees. Probably a comfortable 70 degrees in Heaven where all those who made the ultimate sacrifice are playing on perfect courses drinking their choice of beers, daiquiris or pink lemonades! God Bless them and all those who protect our civilizations!

May all those who make war on the unprepared, especially women and children, meet all our armed forces real soon with the full comfort of the imbecile god they claim to worshipl Let's see their jerk-off god put out the fire that burns in the hearts of those we call brave and salute, tomorrow.

As a matter of fact, as a former cleric with an artificial hip, I would gladly welcome any of those "priests" with glasses into a closed room with little old me. I have several meditations to introduce them to concerning how GOD feels about making war on the defenseless and unsuspecting in HIS name. I promise I'd explain it to them slowly, using very small words. Of course, such clerics spend a lot of time in caves, hiding, because they are cowards, after all, and don't get out much, TOO BAD. But if any of you "clerics" decide to grow a pair and crawl out of the holes you live, breath, and soil yourselves in, I'd be happy to show you what a properly educated Chicago Catholic school boy knows about true spirituality. Better forget about the 70 virgins fella, and think about the 700 nurses you'll need. :)

That'll probably never happen, though.

But maybe we can play POTUS straight up on a golf course! He'll need a teleprompter, a sense of humor, and a lot of cash! :salut:


ICT

Sore wrists, forearms and good compression.
 

When I first started TGM, I had a "Frozen, Bent Right Wrist, and I would sweep or punch the heck out of the ball. I moved onto other parts of the book and sort of well forgot about the FBRW.

I picked up lots of things but EA seemed most important. The three or four times I shot sub 80's was when my EA felt perfect.

I went on to other components and forgot about the FBRW picking up more on EA, instead

In the last three days, my posse here have reminded me of FBRW. Kevin and jerry and I had been talking about LAG and the # 3 PP. I had throwing the # 3 PP to my top and hitting the ball pretty well. Good direction and distance.

However, an old problem arose. Back in the day when I first stared golfing, I wore out Faldo's "Golf: The Winning Way." Once, on two holes, I shot back-to -back birdies! All I had to do was, ready for a laugh: straight - arm my right wrist back, turn my belly, separate my left knee from my right and hold my finish!!! :laughing9

I couldn't keep al those points in my head and shot an 88! :scratch:

Fast Forward to two weeks ago, about 15 years later. BRW will lead to RFT and then Pivot and Swing or Hit! Better? A little. I know the whys of all the moves and I understand a lot of the inter-relatedness of the pieces. And, I'm consistently sub 84 at my local course. Better.

But sports fans let's be real. Shooting the odd 77 sucks! :roll: It's like getting a lap dance from a bald, 500 lb,, buck-toothed girl from somewhere. You know what I mean!!!

Now, Daryl had told me about thinking too much but I didn't think it could be avoided. He and OB had alternately expressed concern about too much BRW. Daryl had suggested maintaining the left palm moving to the ball during the swing. OB had been very instructive in one-armed BRW drills.

So, coming out of winter hibernation, I've been to the range four days in a row. I have been squeezing the pee-pee out my handles. The problem is your left wrist has cock and un-cock. Daryl's advice was for keeping the left palm moving to the the ball (FLAT LEFT WRIST HOLLA AT YOUR BOYYYYYYY!). Where are the balloons???? :toothy1: It seems to me that keeping a Frozen Bent Right Wrist makes that much easier and it is a very effective move which seems to help keep the Plane intact. Duhhhh, ya think?

And there it was. FBRW/Flat Left Wrist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm going to say this slowly to myself so even I can understand it. IF A GOLFER MONITORS HIS HANDS AND KEEPS HIS FLW/FBRW (WEDGES) INTACT, YOUR ONLY OTHER PROBLEM IS HOW LOW CAN YOU GO? HOLLA!!!!!!!!!


"In closing, I'd like to thank the Academy....."



I hit every club flush. I did the JB Holmes imitation (Pivot up holding frozen Impact Fix and Pivot down like a mother!!!!) I saw it hit the tree line on the fly plus 250 in the air. I mixed swinging and hitting components like crazy. Have you heard about bending the right elbow which cocks the left wrist while the FBRW allows you to Pivot from a trapeze and leave groove marks in the face of the ball? :) It's heavy and it's simple.


ICT

c'mon ICT you will never get the job done without a bit of drive, please try and muster a little enthusiasm for it or give it up !



ps translated as 'i love how enthusiastic you are for your golf game !' :)

Great job CITY!

Kevin

Tim and Kevin, I am not alone in my enthusiasm!
 

As Lynn noted in 1970 (that's what the time stamp says above the caption):


The bottom line is that, as usual, Homer said exactly what he meant in termsthat were unmistakably clear. Through Impact, your Left Wrist must be Flat,Level and Vertical, and your Right Wrist must be Bent, Level andVertical. The best way to achieve this Ideal Impact Alignment is topermit during the Stroke only Left Wrist Vertical and RotationalMotions and Right Wrist Rotational Motions. And the way youdo that is to Lock your Left Wrist in its Flat Condition and Freezeyour Right Wrist into its Bent and Level condition early in theStroke and then maintain those conditions until the end of the Follow-Through.

Interestingly, I have thus far not mentioned Grip Pressure. That isbecause, within limits, Gripping ‘light’ or ‘tight’ is the player’s option. Whatmatters is that the essential Wrist Conditions be maintained throughout theStroke. And that requires a highly developed kinesthetic sense of WristAlignments, not necessarily a tight Grip.

That said, the Hands are best viewed as strong, Educated Clamps attaching theClub to the Arms. Per 1-L #3, there should be “no wobble in the Clubshaftattachment.” The player with Uneducated Hands might do well with a lighter GripPressure because he may then be less likely to ‘horse’ the Club out of thecorrect alignments that Centrifugal Force is trying its best to produce.

The skilled player, on the other hand, can use the tighter Grip Pressureto give his Educated Hands a more complete control of the Clubthroughout the Stroke. The Tight Grip is especially effective as resistanceagainst the terrific forces of Impact Deceleration. Remember, per IsaacNewton’s Third Law (2-C-0), the Ball hits the Club just as hard as the Clubhits the Ball. Said another way, and summing up this entire discussion…

Impact is a place for Science, not “Seems as ifs.”


It is great to hang with thoughtful, perceptive people! For those interested in this # 1 priority before Basic Motion, imo, search "frozen!"

Holla at your boyyyyyyy! :)

Here's something else I misunderstood, Tim.
 

When I stand left with Hula, I am usually closed in my stance. "Wrongo, bongo breath! As Lynn says:


Yoda,

When I take my stance with the impact fix alignments is my back at an incline, or do I stand straight up? And is the bending and straightening of the elbow along the line the right forearm makes on the horizontal plane?

I'm afraid that I'm not getting this part



For purposes of the drill on the Horizontal Plane, stand erect. But...be surethat you are your Weight is left and that your Hips and Shoulders are Open.This will allow you to move the Right Forearm Flying Wedge back and throughfreely. When you transfer the drill to the Inclined Plane of Motion, imitatethe pictures in 9-1-1 #2 and #3 for Waist Bend / Spine Angle.

Also, remember that the entire Right Forearm Flying Wedge -- the Right Elbow,the Forearm, the Bent Right Wrist, the No. 3 Pressure Point andthe Rigid Extension, i. e., the dowel -- will remain on the HorizontalPlane throughout. The Big Deal is to set the Right Wrist in a Rigid Bent RightWrist Condition and then hold it throughout the 'Backstroke' and'Throughstroke.'



ICT :)

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
 

I will think of each of you as I do my first ever "Paxon Hollow Thanksgiving Scramble!"

Sleet and 45 degrees as the high is predicted. I have:

long underwear laid out
snow pants
a heavy sweater
a fleece pullover
waterproof golf shoes and wooly socks
4 "10 hour" chemical hand warmers
a fleece hood

I will be Hitting, I think, and playing Lynn's "Driver" video while sipping a little adult beverage. "Another perfect shot...another perfect shot!" Is that what Lynn keeps saying? :) "Same as the last. Same as the last...,"imitating Moe Norman.
:)

God Bless Everyone!

ICT