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If I may, Id add that the prime benefit of the mid body hands, Adjusted Address is the ability to employ a lagging takeaway from that position, Hogan style. Depending on how much the clubhead lags the pressure points (hands) going back in Startup (shot, club length personal preference dependent) the Impact Hands condition of Impact Fix (flat left , bent right) can be reassembled before the left wrist swivels onto the Inclined Plane. Yoda with an iron for instance seems to get it done about the time his hands are over his rigth thigh via CF and Standard Wrist Action Id say. ("From here your hands are done for the day", he said to me once). Hogan with a driver, anyways, gets them reassembled a little later. Lagging Takeaway has such an amazing feel to it. Like the club is swinging very early or a rock on the end of string. I use it Swinging or Hitting for full shots, call me crazy. Give up control to gain control etc. It works nicely with Float Loading. ndwolfe I bet, has left the building. Probably moved over to another forum, where things appear to be black and white. All of this relates to Homers assertion that there is no one best way. In cataloguing all of the ways he created some frustrated readers for sure but........ we always knew the truth to this the craziest of games would never be simple. Didnt we? |
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Ok, #3, plane and clubface angle, that makes sense. That magnetic face thing really blew your mind eh? I remember someone saying that when the ball is way above your feet your clubface has more "left" than "loft". I really just meant that Id take tracing, given a shift or two over a shiftless swing without plane line compliance. There are a lot of whacky swings on tv that work wonderfully. Im thinking its good Line of Compression management despite plane angle variations or off plane meanderings. But your point is a good one, they must manage the plane through the impact interval as well. Id say Hogan looks like he is Horizontal Hinging to my eye. While Graham is beyond horizontal. Over rolling, swivelling through impact or whatever. Hogan is employing a Hinge Action, clubface control. Graham is not. As a side note some of Graham's hang back might be an angle of attack deal given the launch characteristics of the persimmon drivers back then. Those things needed a lot of help to get the ball in the air. But yah, his head has swayed way back, my back hurts just looking at it. Maybe he should have tried teeing the ball more forward and higher? Here is more of Hogan from the Magic Swing video, Mexico, 1953. Hard to freeze the correct frames. The camera is off angle I think, if that is his shag "person" /target in the back ground. If so his foot line is closed which wasnt unusual for him for a longer shot. He is almost back on his original plane angle in frame 3, Downswing. His plane angle is dropping fast. http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125451343 5 |
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I shot some still bursts with my Casio of Hogan in transition. Watch his right shoulder here, the TSP, what appears to be a slight shift in transition, longitudinal acceleration, drag loading, some top of the shaft bending too along the line of the #3 at the knuckle. Its all here at Homers "cross roads".
You'll need to save them to a file on you computer and then click on them individually to turn them into a movie like animation to see whats really going on. http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125451808 7 http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125451814 9 http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125451819 4 http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125451824 7 |
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Some Yoda posts from my files.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125451999 4 http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125452023 6 |
Those are some beautiful pictures . . . thanks for posting . . . any face on stuff available?
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![]() This is a good example of a Rotated Shoulder Turned and Clubshaft and Hands on the Elbow Plane. His Right Forearm is significantly “Off” Plane while his Right Elbow is “On” Plane. In order for His Hands to continue down the Plane of his Clubshaft, Hogan must Unbend (lengthen) his Right Arm else, his Hands will come in above the Plane. So, its very easy to have your Clubshaft on one plane, your hands on the same plane, your Right Elbow on the same Plane but your Right Forearm OFF Plane. The reality of this Elbow Plane tragedy is that his hands should be about 3 inches further down the Red Plain Line so that his Right Forearm can be On Plane. If you want to Swing on the Elbow Plane, AND, have your Hands, Clubshaft, Right Elbow and RIGHT FOREARM on the same plane, you need a really short stroke. Furthermore, Hogan Cannot Trace the same Plane line until his Hands reach Release when his Right Forearm becomes On Plane. You CANNOT Unbend the Right Elbow while Tracing the Plane Line with THE RIGHT FOREARM FLYING WEDGE. :naughty: |
Is it rotated sp or appears that way when using short irons and stance close to the ball?
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Yup it does appear to be a Rotated turn in that it is more perpendicular to his spine angle here, but Rotated can locate the Turned Shoulder Plane after all, per 10-13-C. So Id say he is Rotated shoulder turn going back then On Plane on the down stroke.
Great question as to whether this is a short iron thing for Hogan, I looked at a driver swing and he still appear Rotated and then On Plane to my eye but Hogan did stand in a very erect posture ,maybe given his height perhaps and so his version of Rotated is still pretty darn Flat. |
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I had those on file but Im planning to get the camera and tripod out today and will shoot some more bursts, 40 frames per second bursts of stills on a Casio. What caught my eye with those ones was the movement in his elbow in Stardown. Like a pitcher leading with his elbow sort of, but upon closer inspection I realized it wasnt an independent elbow thing of course but his Right Shoulder moving down plane and taking the bent right elbow with it. Yoda would say something like "and you spin, spin, spin, the flywheel" maybe, perhaps, kinda sorta. |
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D, I love ya but I think there is some stuff here that is just "plane" confusing for me. I know that is not out of the norm for me, but lets talk about which "plane" you are referring to here. I'd say the Right Forearm, indeed the entire RFFW ideally stays "on plane", so to speak, throughout the entire swing. But this is the plane of the Right Wrist Bend not to be confused with The Inclined Plane which the right forearm rides sometimes through impact say, but not always. So at top the RFFW is not on the Inclined Plane in Total Motion. Chipping maybe. See 6-B-3-0-1. On the other hand, Per 10-6-0. The Inclined Plane, Basic Plane Angles, clubshaft control; "Basic Plane Angles are classified according to reference points on which the Inclined Plane can be set". May I add that I believe this to mean at Address for the elbow plane, Top for the Turned Shoulder plane. Meaning if Homer set his plane board to a fixed angle that referenced the Elbow, (the Elbow Plane) the entire Right Forearm , including the elbow and the clubshaft would lay on this fixed plane angle at Address, only. Once you reach Top or End the right Elbow moves under the Inclined Plane, "Elbow Plane". see photos 10-6-A 1 and 2. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post , I can be totally vapidiculous sometimes. |
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