Why "Light EA"? I thought you solved that problem with EA that was affecting your Driving Distance?

Man, you're going to "fold like a cheap suit". Try to keep up.

Let's not be harsh, 'D. I' had an interesting day on Saturday.
 

The greens were still very schizo bumpy/fast/burnt so I had 28 putts and even our club champ (+2 hcp. ) simply threw up his hands after 5 holes and muttered to himself as he shot an 81. Good news is that it rained all afternoon, today.

So we kept modified cards yesterday (but reported all strokes, even the ones that hit aeration holes and bent at right angles :crybaby: ), and our rule was 10 strides of the pin = auto 2 putt.

On the front 9 swinging, I couldn't find the bottom of the swing though I kept my motion very efficient. What I learned is that my leg imbalance offers no stable platform unless I adopt (my version of ) Moe Norman's very wide base which simply stops all sway due to locking out almost every moving part. Driving gets difficult. I shot a "44" on the front. I was very frustrated. :(

Yoda and Ted had both pointed out the level left wrist to me which I was not going to give up .:angry2: I noticed that all the TSP Hitters seem to drive their right arm pretty early, almost straight down after their initial forward shift. I said to myself "Self...LBG golf does not lie to people; these guys are good for a reason;let's emulate them and JerryG awhile and "hit and holler....!"

Then, I shot a 37 on a par 35 leaving ball marks that obliterated aeration holes! Can you say "dart throwing?" Besides 5 birdie chances within 30 feet (made 1)(non-modified, we don't give birdies ever), I missed only three greens on that 9.

What did I learn?

If I set up with my left heel down (getting rid of left leg right leg wobble), MBH, RFT, light EA and Angle Hinge, and drive my right arm to my brush point, I can hit everything from 60 deree to 4 irons and 3 wood flush. My driver need a slight B Button turn before I rip the snot out of it and I can adjust for draw and fade.

Daryl, don't confuse a supple, experimental disposition with a lack of grit! Or rather, go ahead! :rambo:

You boasted about giving me 12 stroke's at Lynn's place. You've lost that bet, already. But, don't fear. Unless you are going to the Master's and Lynn closes his place from April 18th to the 22nd, I'll be waiting for you. You might win by a few strokes, if you shoot a 65!

If I shoot 75 or better on a course I've never played from the tips, I reserve the right to gloat! It's still be a loss, but considering my single digit hcp. status after one year with LBG I'll be darned happy!

YBGF!

I wish I could say I'm impressed, but my Driving Range is more difficult than the Golf Courses you hack on. :)

I would like to know what you're doing to solve the Driver Problem with Heavy EA.

Congratulations Patrick! You have wholeheartedly invested yourself in improving your golf through TGM and LBG over the past months and you are succeeding and achieving. I am exceedingly happy for you.
Can't wait to get back on a golf course with you.

I lightened up on the EA!
 

I'm using my elbow a lot more to raise the left arm and I swivel the left forearm as I do so.

Speaking of courses I hack on, I must say that the quality of Minnesota's golf course was terrific as was the hospitality of my hosts (JerryG/KevCarter) and the golfing fellowship of LBG contributors Dodger and Bartleby. If I lived in IL, I would golf in MN often and take lessons from Kevin Carter if I couldn't get to Alabama!

They are nice people, Daryl, and they would be nice to you, too! Even you!!! :laughing9 :golf:

Yes. Don't cock the right wrist.

What's this fixation with Alabama? Who's in Alabama?

Isn't that the world-wide HQ of LBG?
 

Oops!


http://www.cuscowilla.com/lynnblake.php

So Daryl, what tags do you use to get a whole picture in these posts? Hmmmm? You know you are quite good at it!

What are Tags?

I think it was more like we were learning together rather than me teaching. We BOTH need to get to Cuscowillo. To be honest, not just YODA, but many others here show me how far I have to go. ALWAYS pay attention when guys like Daryl and O.B. speak. We can both learn a TON from these guys.

Your chubby buddy from Anoka

Hi Kevin,

I'm embarrassed when Innercityteacher drags you into our "poking fun at and harassing each other". He's such a crybaby. I'm positive that the Courses in Minnesota are great. But Innercityteacher plays on a 105 sloped course in Pennsylvania and thinks an 85 is an ass-whoop-in great score. Man, give a guy a little Lag Pressure and a Flat Left Wrist and he thinks he's ready for the Hooters-Tour.

Don't be embarrassed, you guys are keeping it fun while we all learn! :salut:

Kevin

You had better be at least 6-8, and 300 lbs of chubby bubbly Daryl!
 

In other words, you had better be larger than some of my 5th graders. I'm tempted to hop in my car, drive to the great lily pastel suburban sissy-fest of Bollingbrook, and use you as a driving mat. :)


Our slope is 125; that makes the slope on my right leg, 148, and 123 on my left leg.

I'm sorry my enthusiasm bothers you. Walking down the street after 11 hip operations and 9 months at the Mayo Clinic gets me jazzed up. After going one under for 6 holes on Saturday on the back 9 (played 27 total), lightning bolts were leaping from my eyes! :smiley2252:

I grabbed our club champ and we took $10 (their max bet) from two of the biggest sand-baggers at the club ( both have shot par in the last month but still have 14 hcps. somehow) in another 9 holes in the afternoon after giving them 6 strokes. (The Cuscowilla beer fund is now $167!)

One of those guys on the tee, told me he didn't believe I could come from shooting in the high 90's in March to a 78 about 10 days ago. That guy took $10 from me in (April). :violent: I had 2 sandies on my way to laying a 39 on top of them.

Anyway, if you want to blame anyone for my 12.1 GHIN which should come down again, BTW, blame LBG and yourself! If you guys weren't so damn good at teaching "Plane-Golf," I'd still be staring at my divots. :)

Listen Daryl, try to look at it this way. You know all that Viagra you take, right? (I know it's hard being 88, man. The aches in the bones, stiffness in all the wrong joints.) I feel like that when I breathe :hockey: :hockey: !

Look. We will play golf, together, ok? I'll bring an umbrella and a jug of sweet-tea with some mint. You relax and rest, ok? If it gets too hot for you, we can take a long lunch and get you a cold towel. $2 Nassau, you can owe me.

There's no shame in teaching others to be the best they can be. It's pure joy, brother, as you must know!

YBGF

Hey...You know I'm only trying to get to your head. Is it working? :laughing9

I really thought that the "my driving range is more difficult than your golf course" was very funny.

I hope we are friends for a long time, D!
 

You are very funny quite often! The best line was that bright blue footnote about checking my divots in one of your posts. :)

You, OB, the Great Plain Minnesota Gang, and Yoda et. al. have taught me a lot and I appreciate it.

YBGF

More reminders for the club championship on Saturday, "A "flight
 

1) In a fight, everyone is sore, even the winner. Make the other guy give up and pass out, first! Hit the ball next to the pin as often as it takes then put it in the hole! Hit past trouble in front of greens, one club more!

2) Check your brush spot! Ball is in front of it. Aim point in front of shorter irons and even or behind longer clubs. (Crapsmacker will work as go to-structure and Power Package transfer! Simple!)

3) Do Hogan. LLW, TSP, MBH, RFT, EA, left forearm swivel, straighten the right arm! (Just do Hogan, Yoda, Fort). On plane, hit through the ball, It works, do it! Never stop doing it! Hogan limped as he beat the worlds best! You have the limp, now get the championships! Compete and win! :super:

4) Remember, they must see excellence to believe it!

More Precision
 

Yoda 5/10/2005


nderstood sooner..."it is absolutely MANDATORY that, Hitting or Swinging, it is the Right Forearm--not just the Right Hand and/or Clubshaft--that must be thrown, or driven, into Impact per 7-2-3." Specifically I am referring to "thrown, or driven".

Are there any other (all capital letter'd and absolute) MANDATORY gems in the book?
Yes, PChandler, there are other 'MANDATORY gems.' As you suggest, they are almost always capitalized. And when Homer Kelley really wanted to shout "THIS IS IMPORTANT!!," he also italicized the capitalization.

Take a look at the Mechanical Checklist For All Strokesin 12-3. These 45 mission-critical alignments are those most likely to 'go bump in the night' during your Three Station Total Motion (Address, Top and Finish). In this Checklist of 'Golfer's Musts' only two alignments are capitalized. Both relate to the Roll of the #3 Accumulator (Left Arm and Clubshaft Angle) through the Release Interval (from Release through Impact to Both Arms Straight):

1. At The Top (Section Six), Item #22: DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP.

2. The Release Interval ('Through the Ball' Sections 9, 10 and 11), Item #39: ON LINE HINGE ACTIO


n other words, you must prepare to correctly Roll the Hands through Impact, and then you must do it. With his capitaliztion, Homer is highlighting the problem of executing the Clubhead Overtaking of the Hands, a.k.a., the #3 Accumulator Roll (Swiveling and Hinging), while maintaining -- here come more 'caps' -- A STRAIGHT LINE RELATIONSHIP TO A STRAIGHT LINE -- POINTING AT A STRAIGHT LINE (2-N-0). In other words, the straight line Clubshaft (the visible proxy for the Line of Pull of the Sweet Spot) must continue to point at the straight line Baseline of the Inclined Plane. And four very good ways to disrupt this On Plane relationship are STEERING, QUITTING, BOBBING and SWAYING (3-F-7-A/B/C/D). Look look LOOK (3-B, 3-F-5 and 9-2) to rid yourself of these Four Snares.

All this is moving the Club WITH ITS PROPER RHYTHM (3-0), and it can only be achieved by driving the Hands -- NOT THE CLUB -- toward the BALL (6-G-0). DRIVE THE BALL INTO THE GROUND, NOT INTO THE AIR (6-E-2-1). To help assure the CORRECT IMPACT ALIGNMENTS (7-8 ), pre-program this Rhythm during the Address Routine (Practice Swing and Waggle) by visualizing the PATH OF THE CLUBHEAD THROUGH AND BEYOND IMPACT (8-0). When Playing, focus your attention ALL THE WAY DOWN on the 'Hands-Clubhead-Ball Relationship and become TARGET CONSCIOUS (3-B).


From the Top, this Delivery Line ROLL PREPARATION is dependent on coordinating the independent Hip and Shoulder Turns (7-14). Use the Start Down Waggle to assure that the Right Hip is cleared during the Start Down, thus avoiding 'Roundhousing' (Flat Downstroke Shoulder Turn) and its inevitable Clubhead Throwaway. The correct Lag Loading uses the Pivot to overcome the initial Clubhead inertia at the Top without Pulling the Hands out of their On Line relationship with the Plane Line. This combines with the correct Release Motions (On Line Uncocking and Rolling per 4-D-0) to set up a steady driving pressure -- not a 'convulsive, impatient THROWING pressure (7-19) -- and leads to Impact prior to FULL EXTENSION of the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club per 2-P). The MEANS (6-E-1) to maintaining this essential Geometry is Educated Hands: the player must learn to SWING THE HANDS, MONITOR THE HANDS (5-0).

Finally, it is the On Plane Right Forearm that ALWAYS establishes and maintains the correct Clubshaft-Left Arm angle (the #3 Accumulator) through Release and Impact (6-B-3-0). This MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM (7-3) assures the mandatory relationships of the Flying Wedges: The Left Arm Wedge ALWAYS against the plane of the Left Wristcock motion and the Right Foream Wedge AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE.

In summary, Homer's capitalization is there for a purpose. Seen as a whole, he leads us patiently down the twin paths of Principle and Procedure to the crux of The Golfing Machine:

Deliver the RHYTHMIC (2-G and 6-P-0) Clubface DOWNward AND OUTward AND FORward through Impact (2-C-0) and, by all means...

SUSTAIN THE LAG (3-F-7-B)!


My summary: KEEP THE RIGHT FOREARM IN FRONT OF RIGHT BICEP-DRIVE IT straight at and THROUGH the BLP at THE BALL AND GROUND! don't be afraid to tilt to carry the Power Package ( FLW) along the BLP and then extend it straight through the BLP!!!! That is where the golf machine lives, on plane, the throw must be on plane to keep the sweetspot on plane!!!!! :dance: :sunny: :sunny: :!: :golfcart2:
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12 Piece,

Clap on...I see that you might be one of those right arm moppers. You gotta try bringing that left hand way down the mop handle and pull it. Just sense your mop-up line with the #3 pressure point. Pull it with all you got...and you'll have one very clean floor. Clap off.

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Does changing the text color aid in understanding the material?

Sometimes!
 

But it's not as useful as explanations made by you and others.

If HK used CAPS and ITALICISED CAPS, and he had our colors, He'd have used them. Think about it.

:golfcart: BTW, I'm willing to learn how not to threadjack. I need a definition since most of my posts do relate to the subject line in a highly idiosyncratic way.

I truly see your point of view. Caps, Italics, Bold, and color is used to emphasize because those techniques make words and phrases stand out in comparison.

But if everything is emphasized, then what stands out in comparison? Perhaps judicial use.................

Ah, what the hell. Life's too short. Have at it. :)

After your question, I read it over.
 

I wrote the summary after realizing that quote has a ton of info in it. It dawned on me that the ball is not the issue, maybe never the issue, but the plane is the highway whether hitting or swinging!

The sweet spot must stay on plane whether driven or swung!

Thanks for the help! Kevin and Jerry worked a lot with me on the Pivot but the ball was my target. Now, the BLP is where I will throw or derive the club! Lots to learn!

YBGF

Considering you've been at this for only a few months, you're learning very fast. It must be difficult at your age.

I had a delicious Apple Cider Beer last night.
 

I had one beer. This morning at 5am, my right ankle was twice it's normal size and my right toe felt like Godzilla had gnawed on it.

Golf is easy. Gout is brutal.

There is a medicine that melts the uric acid crystals. One pill 3x a day. It also melts everything else. I took two pills at 5am and a third at 7:30 when we teed off.

Standing on my left leg mostly, I was 12 over for my first 9 holes. I was 5 over for the next 3. and finally 2 over for the last 6. I missed the cut by 2 strokes shooting a 90. Leader shot a 79 and most players shot between an 85-88.

I set my vertical left wrist all day and simply threw it down through the ball. I couldn't pivot with my right foot so I RFT'd as much as possible on the front 9 though that was only less painful on the downswing..

The course had standing water everywhere due to the 5 " of rain it took on Thursday and Friday morning. We played "lift, clean, and place," which I could not hardly do on the front 9. I can't really do that left - legged. Drives plugged. No roll anywhere.

I saw and understood Lynn's "David and Goliath" sling on his video. I understood the TSP with a level left wrist. I understood VJ's "Missing Piece," Daryl's reminder of the vertically uncocking wrist, Kevin and Jerry's Pivot work, Jeff and Ted's positions at address positions.. My round was like one 5 hour meditation on hitting and throwing down with TGM and swinging. I tried hitting at the range but could put much pressure on my right foot.

I just couldn't do it until the back 9 holes.

On the back 9, I was able to march back and through and even put pressure on my right toe in the follow through. Drives cracked and wedges started to plug close to the pin on the last 6 holes.

There were several instances of blatant gamesmanship in my foursome. I have to learn how to respond to that in an effective way without losing my cool. One of our foursome insisted on standing opposite the hole as I putted. After I told him to move on a fifth hole, I threatened to call the pro and inquire about his being DQ'd for "player interference." I had no idea what I was talking about, but he got the message. I have to know the rules of golf in competition. Another player started telling me what to hit on two of the tees. I thanked him for his concern the first time and asked him not to speak to me when I was selecting a club. Then I just told him to mind his own business.

My club is a small public course. There were 35 guys in the "A" flight championship. 80 guys in the "B" flight, and about the same number in the C/D flights. No big deal, right? Both those guys shot 86's. (Why pull that crap on such a minor venue?) SO WHAT? TALK TO US WHEN YOU QUALIFY FOR THE US AMATEUR OR AT LEAST A REGIONAL! :naughty:

I should've shot an 78 at least! Next year, my stroke will be even more solid and I'll have Ice water and Salmon for dinner, the night before! Next challenge: regularly shooting par or better! :golf: :golfcart:


YBGF

No more beer.

My hcp. is now 11.5.
 

This is becoming a pyrrhic victory.

I have proven some things to myself.

1) TGM is very, very useful as a set of templates accurately describing the forces of an effective golf swing.

2) Even a casual knowledge of TGM can help almost any golfer, a lot.

3) Shooting par is do-able for a non-professional in general, and for a person with an artificial hip in particular, given the insights offered by TGM.

4) After 67 rounds this year, and several hundred buckets of balls, there must be a more efficient way to study TGM and apply its insights.

5) Next Spring, I will reach the "par shooter" designation by "front-loading" my training with at least one 3-day trip to see Yoda, if possible.

I'm sorry Yoda, for not seeing you sooner. I enjoy Westerns and I have discovered that the journey is sometimes as intriguing as the destination. Sometimes, however, there are hostile natives and terrain that is better avoided.


I will be rooting for the Twins and Phillies in the MLB playoffs. I'd love to seethem play baseball with snow packed along the sides of the stadium!

How is Axis Tilt felt and triggered?
 

Ok, I have been searching around the driving range trying to feel Axis Tilt. I have watched the Barclay's video and other videos Lynn has done.

What I think I know is that I can feel the Axis Tilt by dropping to the Elbow Plane. I think my right hip clears and the back shoulder comes down plane. My hands speed up and it seems like I automatically hit the ball on the inside quadrant, straight and longish.

I also tried shooting my left shoulder up as a way of inducing the Pivot, dropping the shoulder and elbow on a sharp angle on the ball with good results.

Is that how other people do the Axis Tilt? I guess I could also pop my right knee toward my left, roll my right ankle back and through, or turn back and through around my right knee. I could also pop my left knee forward but that makes me imagine the metal rod in that leg and it just doesn't seem like a long-term solution. :)

???

YBGF

Stand erect with your shoulders level and your head centered. While keeping your head centered, move your hips two inches to the left and notice how your right shoulder lowers. That's it. Set up that way before take-away and forgetaboutit.

Thrust is aimed at the inside-aft quadrant of the ball. The Clubface is hook faced so it will hit the Back of the Ball. If your thrust was toward the back of the ball, the clubface may contact the outside of the ball.

Anyway, now that Winter is approaching, you'll begin to have Golf withdrawal symptoms.

Just two inches?
 

Thanks, Daryl. :)

When I pivot down, the back hip will slide out of the way, automatically, then, with no particular trigger needed?

Your right Hip is already "Back" and out of the way at the Top of your Swing.

City,
We did that in the basement of Kev's shop. Remember the little Bump of the left hip?

I was in awe of being granted access to "The TGM Treehouse!"
 

That decoder ring ceremony, and being led around the room blindfolded while Kevin played the super secret "Yoda Tapes," was very emotional for me! :crybaby:

Honestly, all I remember was the phrase "... and that ball will act a whole lot differently!"

It is still awe-inspiring! :eyes:

I think I had 400 insights in 4 days. I'm still remembering things through flashbacks. The fried chicken basket... the pink lemonade pitchers....ohhhh lunch time!


YBGF

Hula I hardly knew ya!
 

It felt like someone had greased a rail in my downswing. Swinging or Hitting, the right shoulder, arm, and hand felt to go powerfully down and through the ball!

The sounds of the irons and woods were "KLACK," while both my drivers stopped singing "thunk" and started saying "screetch."


The ball had a booster rocket that kicked in after initial acceleration.

Everyone told me and Yoda showed me in every tape or dvd. I have it now!

Thanks guys1


YBGF

Learning to Hula.
 

Again, I'm amazed at the seamless nature of TGM insights and the comprehensive grasp of bio-mechanical factors that HK must have had. That small bump or shift forward really does allow for a series of revelations:

1) How down is down - my swing or hit now really hits through the ball and flexes the shaft, often.

2) How much of an increase in ball flight is possible through hitting down - I'm amazed at the "extra gear" in ball flight made possible. I have HT (high trajectory) clubs. I started laughing out loud when my very high 9 iron added 2 stories straight up before beginning to come down - amazing!

3) How much power is in the right arm and how easy it is to use it given the right set-up and keeping the right wrist back cracking a 220 yard 3 wood is not a big deal with a stab of # 3 PP. right at the ball or by obliterating the ball and plane with a sharp flywheel spin.

I know there are lots of other insights and I'm going exploring on the forums of the past!


YBGF

Cliff Notes, TGM, and Stack and Tilt
 

So I'm golfing the other day and I forgot to Hula. I was too busy trying to practice a drill to keep my right shoulder tracing the plane. I was also struck by the desire to lower my hcp. to single digits (11.5) these days. I was frustrated. :BangHead:

Slight shift to left, Pivot back, and come down on the Elbow Plane. Isn't that S&T (Before coming to TGM, I had been trying S&T)?

I straightened my longer right leg and my shorter left leg accepted the weight shift and I dropped my right elbow by firing my back hip. I did not miss another shot yesterday or today. (I played 2 new course, par 71's, lots of slopes, no clue on the greens, shot 82/80).

As a teacher, I don't like "Cliff Notes." Why not enjoy the real book and get all the insight. But, lots of my kids read only graphic novels (like Daryl) and so "Cliff Notes" in their hands fills me with optimism and joy.

TGM is wonderful and I'm going to Cuscowilla once I save up my ruples. But isn't the S&T DVD set and book really simply the "Cliff Notes" version of about 5% of TGM? I was abused, respectfully,by the guys I played with for being boring because I was hitting fairways and greens.

I felt great about that. :)

Is S&T "Pivot Controlled Hands?" I searched through several posts from the past and I know there are serious reservations about it. Couldn't the insight from TGM help create a more effective S&T? For example, I really monitored # 3 PP while sliding my back hip forward, and hit some awesome drives and nice approaches. I controlled my ball flight and direction well by monitoring my FLW.

Maybe S&T is weak for "normally" constructed people but really good for golfers with physical limitations, due to it's simplified dictates? :roll:

Ideas?



YBGF

Have you read this one,
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4628.html

The Lynn Blake Way
 

Amen Corner,

Thank you for linking that post. I had not seen it!

What I learn here from Lynn Blake is the Foundation for everything about the golf swing that I believe. On top of that foundation, I very much enjoy the teaching of Mike and Andy and their S&T associates. I think it has a very strong foundation in TGM, even though some different view points from Lynn's beliefs.

That thread has shown me that it's not a sin to discuss it. Lynn welcomed the S&T teachers and their ideas, and they agreed to disagree on some points. It was handled as gentlemen on all sides, something you rarely if ever see on the web between teachers. Hell, it's my friends from S&T that referred me here to get started on my journey a little over 2 years ago!

In one post 12 Piece Bucket mentioned that Homer must be smiling down knowing that his work was being taken many directions as he wished. He still is, and must be very happy with his association with YODA.

Kevin

Hey Bud,
We are on a pretty similar wavelength, just like when you were here in August.
Thanks to TGM and this Forum (and KevCarter) I am playing the best golf of my life. I am not scoring my best yet due to distance control and the usual brain dysfunction, but a rash of mid to upper 70's in the past couple weeks as well as low 80's prior to that, have dropped my GHIN from 14.5 in May to 7.5 currently.
On Sat., I played with a fellow that used to be my 4-ball partner and is still an excellent amateur player. After the front 9 he said if he had any idea I was striking it so well he would have signed us up for an event this fall.
Thanks guys.

Hi Jerry,

That's great news. :) That's huge improvement.

It's better than having to hear so much bad news from innercityteacher. :laughing9

Thanks Daryl,
You should see him, though. In person, CityTeach is a most amiable, kind and considerate cohort on the golf course. I never heard any trash talk whatsoever. He is a very good cart mate as well.
I used to be a 6 looking at better, but I had no idea what the heck I was doing. Then a couple injuries, age and arthritis took over and I had to do something. TGM with Kev and a day with Yoda sparked great interest. Gems from you, O.B. Mike, Bucket and others have been hugely helpful.
I'd like to think I'm not dumb enough to stir your hornets nest, but City seems to think nothing of it. I look forward to the competition and may volunteer to caddy. He'll need a great deal of help as well as a few "gotchas."

Luin sen AC, mikä on johtopäätös, niin tai oikeammin, tai ehkä?
 

Ik las het AC, wat is uw conclusie, ja of nee, of misschien?

Jeg læste det AC, hvad er din konklusion, ja eller nej, eller måske?

I read the thread, AC, what is your opinion?

Do you think the thread is solidly opposed to TGM, or respectfully encouraging to pros making "a valuable contribution?"

YBGF