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GPStyles 11-23-2010 01:51 PM

The D-Plane is very confusing to me as I am not mathmatical at all in nature. On Kev's facebook page the following link was put up that I really felt helped and made a lot of sense to me.

Is it right to be feeling this is helpful?

http://trackman.dk/Media/Videos/Josh-Zander.aspx

*apologies if this has already been posted as I am joining the conversation late in the day

KevCarter 11-23-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GPStyles (Post 78966)
The D-Plane is very confusing to me as I am not mathmatical at all in nature. On Kev's facebook page the following link was put up that I really felt helped and made a lot of sense to me.

Is it right to be feeling this is helpful?

http://trackman.dk/Media/Videos/Josh-Zander.aspx

*apologies if this has already been posted as I am joining the conversation late in the day

I think D-Plane's and Track Man's ideal is learning about the dead straight shot, and deciphering how to achieve it. I've never been able to play that way, I'm not that good. My best golf has been trying to hit a little push draw. I like to align my machine square, and catch it a little more on the back of the circle than some, and my compensation is setting up with, and trying to maintain a bit of an open face. My path at impact is a little more right of the face, at least that's the goal for me.

There are options in how to flight it, and options as far as how you visualize what you want to accomplish. Good players have always had to make compensations for what they feel and see. I loved hearing my friend John say that D-Plane and Homer Kelley aren't very far apart. In my opinion, the small amount that they may be apart is semantics, and doesn't affect what I feel or teach. A little deeper into the "science" than I need to get, and certainly deeper than should affect how we feel about each other as professionals. Everybody posting at LBG right now is on the same team IMHO, those that aren't have gone elsewhere.

Kevin

tim chapman 11-23-2010 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPStyles (Post 78966)
The D-Plane is very confusing to me as I am not mathmatical at all in nature. On Kev's facebook page the following link was put up that I really felt helped and made a lot of sense to me.

Is it right to be feeling this is helpful?

http://trackman.dk/Media/Videos/Josh-Zander.aspx

*apologies if this has already been posted as I am joining the conversation late in the day

not for me at least - it sounds like he is arguing for an OTT iron swing, with a closing club face this could be 'pull-city' couldn't it ?

but this thread has been beyond my ken, so i am probably talking horlicks

Daryl 11-23-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by John Graham (Post 78963)
Trackman verifies D Plane. Just remember, D plane and Homer are very close. Only one small part separates them as I have learned from being here.

Ya, one small thing. The "Laws of Physics". :laughing9

Trackman doesn't verify D-Plane. It only makes the same false assumptions.

KevCarter 11-23-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 78970)
Ya, one small thing. The "Laws of Physics". :laughing9

Trackman doesn't verify D-Plane. It only makes the same false assumptions.

Daryl, play nice. I swear, I'll come to Chicago and sit on you. You'll be sorry! :laughing9

GPStyles 11-23-2010 02:45 PM

Tim, I kind of agree but should we argue with the science?

When he says that Hogan had a closed stance with a driver and a progressively more open stance with shorter irons that would seem to agree with what the wee ice mon himself wrote in modern fundamentals

tim chapman 11-23-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GPStyles (Post 78974)
Tim, I kind of agree but should we argue with the science?

When he says that Hogan had a closed stance with a driver and a progressively more open stance with shorter irons that would seem to agree with what the wee ice mon himself wrote in modern fundamentals


i understand shifting the plane to the right of target in order to hit the driver on the up & straight

if we shift the plane left & hit down my take is that we are going left unless we have an open clubface and hold on in which case we are hitting a cut

but my understanding is some way short of patchy :-)

is hitting from the inside one of the TGM imperatives ?

innercityteacher 11-23-2010 03:33 PM

Uhmmmm, I just wanted to say that ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 78968)
I think D-Plane's and Track Man's ideal is learning about the dead straight shot, and deciphering how to achieve it. I've never been able to play that way, I'm not that good. My best golf has been trying to hit a little push draw. I like to align my machine square, and catch it a little more on the back of the circle than some, and my compensation is setting up with, and trying to maintain a bit of an open face. My path at impact is a little more right of the face, at least that's the goal for me.

There are options in how to flight it, and options as far as how you visualize what you want to accomplish. Good players have always had to make compensations for what they feel and see. I loved hearing my friend John say that D-Plane and Homer Kelley aren't very far apart. In my opinion, the small amount that they may be apart is semantics, and doesn't affect what I feel or teach. A little deeper into the "science" than I need to get, and certainly deeper than should affect how we feel about each other as professionals. Everybody posting at LBG right now is on the same team IMHO, those that aren't have gone elsewhere.

Kevin

What makes TGM interesting and impressive to me is that Mr. Kelly was able to perceive the actions and dynamics that others had, but did so in a comprehensive, unified theory based on sound biomechanics when not too much information was floating around.


ICT

KevCarter 11-23-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 78981)
What makes TGM interesting and impressive to me is that Mr. Kelly was able to perceive the actions and dynamics that others had, but did so in a comprehensive, unified theory based on sound biomechanics when not too much information was floating around.


ICT

Absolutely Teach!

No fun stuff with computers or GPS. No video with fancy slow motion... all he had was a used camera. AMAZING how he figured everything out and we still love it today!!!

Kevin

Daryl 11-23-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 78982)
Absolutely Teach!

No fun stuff with computers or GPS. No video with fancy slow motion... all he had was a used camera. AMAZING how he figured everything out and we still love it today!!!

Kevin

He had Newtons Laws of Force and Motion. He could have figured everything else out in his garage if he wanted. Hmm? He did. :laughing9


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