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annikan skywalker 10-06-2005 07:57 AM

I'm in agreement with Lynn....there is a Top Arc...a straight line for "3-4 clicks" in frame#5 (first from the bottom left)then a pulley...it's definitely not a Circle Path...i believe the gentlemen in Sequence #3 has more of a circle path than I do ...the hitting in Sequence #2 is definitely not circle path....Maybe I'm see things.....It might be the "LSD" kicking in though!!! I guess it depends on if you define a "Circle Path" ...as a pure circle, an oval, an arc, etc... or a "Line Path" as Linear or Curvilinear....Perhaps the boundaries need to be more defined....I would like to hear more!!!

Mike O 10-06-2005 10:01 AM

Circle Path?
 
There really wasn't any more to my post than the question- No other motive. I just glanced at your swing sequence and it looked circular to me- just thought I would have you re-confirm what you thought it was, since I didn't look at it closely and didn't have the interest to take alot of time to analyze it. Thanks for the feedback.

annikan skywalker 10-06-2005 10:12 AM

Hitting Sequence(#2)....Angled Line? I also think the swinging sequence (#1) when I try to hit draws appears more Top Arc/Angled Line with a shift back down to the Elbow plane from the Turned Shoulder....Top Arc Straight Line is more compatible with Zero shift or Single Shift!!!

Mike O 10-06-2005 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
I'm in agreement with Lynn....there is a Top Arc...a straight line for "3-4 clicks" in frame#5 (first from the bottom left)then a pulley...it's definitely not a Circle Path...i believe the gentlemen in Sequence #3 has more of a circle path than I do ...the hitting in Sequence #2 is definitely not circle path....Maybe I'm see things.....It might be the "LSD" kicking in though!!! I guess it depends on if you define a "Circle Path" ...as a pure circle, an oval, an arc, etc... or a "Line Path" as Linear or Curvilinear....Perhaps the boundaries need to be more defined....I would like to hear more!!!

I know if Homer Kelley used the concept Straight Line Path- then the boundary for that would be very defined already- it's either Straight or it isn't. (10-23-A & 1-C)

lagster 10-06-2005 10:23 AM

LINE
 
Annikan or anyone,

Do you have any pictures of a player that actually clicks it down there like the 10-23-C picture?

MizunoJoe 10-06-2005 10:46 AM

Re: LINE
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lagster
Annikan or anyone,

Do you have any pictures of a player that actually clicks it down there like the 10-23-C picture?

You won't find such a pic, because it isn't possible to maintain a straight line delivery path for more than 2" or so.

annikan skywalker 10-06-2005 11:06 AM

Line Path from the Top
 
This footage belongs to www.brianmanzella.com...I transformed it to a 8 frame sequence so that I could trace #3PP....I hope Brian Manzella is "OK" with this for our educational purposes.... if not I will delete it!!!



Yoda 10-06-2005 11:20 AM

Straight Line Delivery Path Illustrated
 
Thanks, Annikan. This sequence with your graphics is really helpful.

Mike O 10-06-2005 11:48 AM

Mr. Graphics
 
Annikan AKA Mr. Great Graphics-
Your graphics really add alot to the forum- Thanks for posting all the sequences!

Just a side note- the two things that I interpret from Ben's sequence is that mentally he has two very important ideas that he has worked on - 1) a snap release and 2) keeping the right wrist bent at, through and past impact. To allow him to accomplish, emphasize or "exaggerate" those two key concepts for him- you'll notice that 1) the right foot stays flat more than most and the weight appears to stay back more than most to allow the SNAP and 2) the last frame shows a bent left arm in order to accomplish, allow, or "exaggerate" the bent right wrist into the follow-through and beyond, which will further modify his finish swivel motion compared to most. However, there is no doubt that this guy can play!

MizunoJoe 10-06-2005 12:11 PM

The pictures in the book are not tracing PP #3 but show a corridor which contain both hands. Tracing PP #3 is deceptive because it can move independently inside the corridor. For example, you could downcock while moving the hands in a circle tracing a straight line with PP #3 for a few inches while the corridor visibly curves.


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