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Hearing and Feeling the Pincher of Success

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82317)

Who are you talking about? :laughing9

Hey Daryl, my Barrington brother from another mother, I kept doing the same thing over again in the same way and decided I was insane. :oops:

It was a combination low self-esteem, eleven hip operations and seeing the HP and Feeling Serenity, Love, and the Fluid Power of Sub-atomic Transfiguration. :read: :idea1:

I was watching Lynn hit drives and listening to his check list. He said "pincher action."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYfOw_7jCTA

It's not in the book. But it is here in our forum search engine at LBG. In our LBG forums we have you, O.B. Left, drewitgolf, Guitar Man and Yoda.

It reveals connections to Hitting procedures that can be taught but not observed.

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Originally posted by drewitgolf

Rob,

Extensor Action is employed from Impact Fix (or as late as Start Up) to the end of Follow Through. After that it is no longer in use (Finish). During the sections that Extensor Action is working its magic, the left arm is above the Plane (unless #3 is zero'ed out), necessitating the direction of the stretch to be below the Plane. But it does cross the Plane at the point of pressure directing the stretch. As you approach Top, the direction of the stretch is closer to the Plane Angle, but still below it.

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But that is just a start of the AHAAA!

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Originally posted by O.B.Left

Im still struggling with this. I get the stretch being below plane when EA is in the direction of the left arm. But why is the stretch in that direction? Or why is the stretch not on plane (in the direction of the right arm)? Would that the change the axis of rotation to the right shoulder or something?

Thanks. I love my EA but there are still some eggs in the incubator. What else is new ?

How does a Hitter apply EA? In what way and in what strength is EA applied? :confused:

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Originally posted by drewitgolf

Rhythm (roll of the #3 Accumulator) is controlled by the Right Elbow, bending and straightening. So how do we control this Right Elbow that wants to be all over the place? Hope you guessed...by the left arm and the Extensor Action that turns the Left Arm into a leasch. When you control the Right Elbow you control the rate of Clubhead Closing or RPM's (6-B-1-D-3).

Extensor Action was left out of 12-3-0, Section 3, Adjusted Address because to employ to a significant degree will pull you out of a Bent Left Wrist/ Flat Right Wrist Alignment and put you into and Impact Alignment, Flat Left Wrist/Bent Right.

By definition (6-A-4), both arms are not straight until Follow Through (8-11). Assuming your Follow Through isn't your Finish, the Left Arm will now bend and Swivel to the Plane (4-D-0), which means the Left Arm is no longer straight and Extensor Action is no longer employed.

Rob (BBax) is using the 7th edition.

Too much EA will pull the FLW into Impact Fix and I believe that position mandates a different type of technique. Impact Fix fixes a Stationary head which remains Stationary while the hands go back to Standard or Adjusted Address. Too much EA in the wrong direction (not under plane) just whacks out proper alignments and allows the right arm to come off Plane!

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Originally posted by O.B. Left

PS That right elbow is getting even more important in my perception of things. The right elbow controlling the roll of #3 power accumulator and the right elbow being held in position by extensor action. Fantastic. No more swiveling through impact with a behaving itself right elbow. The right elbow also cocks the left wrist. Didnt Homer say if he had to do over again he'd build his swing around the right elbow? Or something to that effect.

Now, I haven't finished learning, especially about Swivels, but a Stationary Head, Adjusted Address, Horizontal Hinge, a shorter right elbow bend maybe just to Acquired Motion will all contribute to an effective Hitting motion and becoming a regular sub-par shooter.

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Originally posted by Guitar Man

Right elbow motion and alignments throughout the swing are very, very, very important. Building a golf swing around the right elbow would produce precision and power in the golf swing. Weekend golfers have the right elbow moving incorrectly and out of alignment for most of the swing and try all the golf tips and nonsense to fix the faults when fixing right elbow motion and alignments would do the job.

To Better Golf,
John W Rohan-Weaver GSEM

I had not read the above post when I started this short missive. But I am grateful for it! :salut: I don't know the man but I'm thinking he's a bright, well-informed golfer like so many here, besides me.

I know that Swivels are part of Swinging so it's ok. I know that regular sub-par shooting would make me a pro-level player. Fine. All of us know that the world is full of people that could play you out of your house on a golf course that are not pros. I know that I have to get my right elbow aligned correctly with correct speed, and my EA has to be right in my address for real success

ICT

Yes, I agree with all of that.

I wager $1.00 that you make a Pattern Change before April. :)

Improvements of a pattern

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82320)

Yes, I agree with all of that.

I wager $1.00 that you make a Pattern Change before April. :)

Is an improvement of a Pattern a Pattern change?

I'm afraid Swinging just throws me more off balance. With Hitting, once I set my right elbow correctly, I just step into the axe swing, and while that may be a Swit, it is very simple!

ICT

Can a buy you a good stiff ....axe handle?

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82320)

Yes, I agree with all of that.

I wager $1.00 that you make a Pattern Change before April. :)

I found this little gem in the basement of our forum. We used to have the best basement parties in hs but I digress...Are we still settled that the best shaft for a hitter is stiff?

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Originally posted by Yoda

This will no doubt be a controversial post and perhaps even the epicenter of a titanic debate. Nevertheless, it is what it is: Homer Kelley's answer to the question, "What Shaft Flex is best for me?"

Like Henry Ford -- "You can have any color you want...as long as it's black." -- Homer Kelley had one answer to the Shaft Flex question. Here it is in a Q&A format based on our actual January 1982 conversation.

Yoda: Homer, there are many Shaft Flexes available today. Flexible Shafts are recommended for average players, and Stiff Shafts are recommended for the better players. What is your view?

Homer: "Stiff. The stiffer the better."

For all players?

"Yes."

Hitter or Swinger?

"Yes."

Male or female?

Yes.

Strong or weak?

"Makes no difference."

Why?

"Hitters use muscular thrust and need the Stiff Shaft because they are actively pushing against it. That aspect isn't important to Swingers because for them, the Shaft is functioning simply as a piece of string, and Flex is unimportant. Centrifugal Force is straightening the Shaft. However, the stiffer the shaft, the less likely the Clubface is to misalign, and that is important to both Hitters and Swingers."

What about Steel versus Graphite?

"The material makes no difference. You need quality materials, of course...sturdy stuff. Beyond that, I can find no basis for the claims of the manufacturers."

What about players who 'tip' the Shaft, cutting off an inch or two at the bottom to make it even stiffer?

"Sounds like a good idea."

So, Homer, when you say Stiff Shafts for all players, you really mean it.

"If they would make them all axe handles, that would be the best thing."

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=Axe-handle # 1

This might explain why I Hit the Titleist Z-Backs, that Kevin sold me so far and hardly get any action off my senior flexed driver (well 220, at most).

Any suggestions for a reliable, affordable, stiff flex shaft?

ICT

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82337)

I found this little gem in the basement of our forum. We used to have the best basement parties in hs but I digress...Are we still settled that the best shaft for a hitter is stiff?

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=Axe-handle # 1

This might explain why I Hit the Titleist Z-Backs, that Kevin sold me so far and hardly get any action off my senior flexed driver (well 220, at most).

ICT

You're too strong for that Senior Shaft Patrick! :naughty:

Kevin

Hitting for power and effect

Remember the Horizontal Hinge!

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Originally posted by Yoda

The Golf Stroke is always a Left Arm Stroke as long as the Left Shoulder serves as the Center of the Clubhead Arc. In that sense, both Hitters and Swingers must 'Pull' from the Top (8-6) of the Stroke. However, the Swinger's long Backstroke typically goes to the End (10-21-C), and then he Pulls the Club down like it was a piece of string trailing behind him. Then, having cranked up the Gyroscope of the orbiting Clubhead, he 'hangs on' as Centrifugal Force Powers the Club through Impact. The Hitter's Backstroke, on the other hand, typically ends at the Top (10-21-A) when his Right Elbow has become completely Bent. Then, after the initial Downstroke Shoulder Acceleration (8-7), he accelerates the Club by Pushing against the Clubshaft as if it was an Axe Handle.

At the Top then, the Hitter resists the Inertia of the moving Club (which wants to continue On Plane Up, Back and In). This resistance to the Clubhead Inertia causes the Lag Pressure to Load against the No. 3 Pressure Point and is called Drive Loading (10-19-A). Once the Right Shoulder has provided the initial Downstroke Acceleration (2-M-4), the Hitter begins his Right Arm Pushing, Driving Motion through Impact. The Swinger, on the other hand, with his longer End Backstroke, allows the Club to come to rest against the first knuckle of the Right Hand. He then Loads the Lag Pressure against that Point by Pulling the Club down lengthwise -- Drag Loading (10-19-C).

At the Top then, the Hitter has not changed in the slightest his Impact Fix alignments, i.e., Left Wrist Flat and Right Wrist Bent. Therefore, the Clubshaft has maintained its position against the No. 3 Pressure Point, and the Shaft is still pointing skyward. The Swinger, on the other hand, Turns (4-C-2) his Left Hand against the Plane in the Backstroke (Standard Left Wrist Action of 10-18-A). He typically goes to parallel (and perhaps beyond), and this has caused the Clubshaft to Load down against the first knuckle of the Right Hand. This Action gives the Swinger the Feel of having Rotated the Left Wrist and Lag Pressure Point one-quarter Turn in the Backstroke.

The Hitter, on the other hand, feels no such Rotation. Instead, he senses Homer's "Hitter's Guiding Principle:"

"At the Top, you should feel that absolutely nothing has changed in your Impact Fix Wrist alignments and that you are in perfect postion to Slap the Ball with the palm of your Right Hand."

The Swinger, having Rotated his Left Wrist in the Backstroke, then maintains that position through the Start Down, Downstroke and Release. This is the Swinger's 'Left Hand Karate Chop' to the Ball. The Action of this Left Hand 'Palm Down' to the Plane' surface actually overrides the 'natural action' of the Hitter's constant On Plane Rolling from the Top (caused by the Turning of the Body and the Swinging of the Arms and Hands). The Swinger's Rotation must ultimately be reversed -- this is the function of the Swivel -- in order to restore the Impact Fix alignments.

The Hitter needs no such Swivel because his Left Hand has been Closing from the time it left the Top in Start Down. From Release, he simply Drives his Right Arm through Impact in a Straight Line Motion.

If you are thinking that there is a lot more going on with Swinging than with Hitting, you are right. If you are thinking that Hitting, once mastered, can be the superior alternative, you may be right there, too. It's all about personal preference. I, for one, feel more far more in control and am decidedly more accurate Hitting. The reason is that you are never out of your Impact Fix Alignments. And as for Homer:

"You'll all become Hitting Nuts."

I'm still needing the perfect picture looking over the top of my right shoulder and down to see the visual cues to know my right elbow has bent perfectly and then I can plant and Drive that axe into the tree!

I need a lot of things, but I GET BY WITH THE HELP OF MY LBG FRIENDS!

ICT

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Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 82338)

You're too strong for that Senior Shaft Patrick! :naughty:

Kevin

Why, thanks, you sexy Beast! :)

Glad your elbow is feeling better!

ICT

Everyone must learn from someone or a group of some ones.

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Originally posted by Yoda.

But "What do I Pull it with?" I asked Homer as we stood on the driving range that rainy late afternoon in January 1982.

"Pull it with anything you want!" he said. "I don't care! Just Pull it!"

Well, all rightee, then!!!

And so the Basic Basic you are trying to Feel in the Golf Stroke is a Pulling sensation. As long as you are Pulling and the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point Pressure retains its passive, inert Loading, then you will have contained Centrifugal Force, and your Feel will be one of a controlled, heavy, steady-as-she-goes, constant Loading, constant direction, deadweight inertia (7-19).

Phew. Alrightee, then. Fear Not. We can still pull and Hit.

Remember, though, I was Swinging at the time. I'm quite sure that, had I been Hitting, Homer would have emphasized the Drive Loading (10-19-A) I have described -- not the Drag Loading (10-19-C) -- and also the decidedly Active Right Arm Push (6-B-1-A) through Impact -- and not the Swinger's Gyroscopic Leftside Pull with its Passive Right Arm and Elbow.

Basic is the Lag generated by Pulling the Flying Wedges. That is felt by all educated hands and then the golfer comes to a decision. Do they relax and enjoy the CF or do they fire the Axe at the root of the tree?

Please remember that the goal is constant acceleration so the Hitter may start ever so slowly like Mr.Perry and then WHAM, while the Swinger is determined to "SPIN,SPIN, SPIN that flywheel" as I believe Yoda said.

The choice is ours! It's good to be the king! It's good to have choices!

ICT

The Poetry of Hitting and Sometimes Mixing Swinging

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Originally posted by Yoda

DG,

You are absolutely right about Arnie in his prime. Like almost everybody else, he had a mixed set of Hitting and Swinging Components. He set up as a Swinger (with the classic Bent Left Wrist instead of the Hitter's preferred Fix alignment) and he swung to the End (parallel and beyond) instead of stopping at the Top (of the Line Path). He used a Shoulder Turn Takeaway to take his Hitter's Single Wrist Action (Angled Hinge 10-18-C-2) to the Top. From there, though, he was all Drive. An out-and-out Four Barrel Hitter. In his early years, he even teed his Driver low and took turf! And he always had the 'Drive-Out' of the Right Arm Thrust carrying him 'above Plane' into that famous Palmer whirlybird Finish.

Homer told me that Palmer's Finish was the result of using the Cross-Line Angle of Approach procedure, not the 10-5-A Plane Line. I commented that Palmer's Backstroke was flatter than would be the case using Homer's Angle of Approach procedure with the 10-5-E Closed Plane Line. He said that was okay, "you'll just have a little sharper Cross-Line Motion" as a result. But, he also said that it could easily be overdone and that you're "skirting disaster" -- the big hook. Homer also liked the fact that Arnie hit 'Down' so agressively. And that he played the ball back and took such big divots with the short irons. Clearly, Arnie liked to Hit. And so did Homer!

I followed Arnie at my first Masters -- his 10th -- in 1964. I was 17, he was 34, and he won for the 4th and final time. Forty years later -- with me at 57 and he at 74 -- I returned to the Augusta National that special Friday of his final competitive round just to pay homage. The King's hair now was white, his body thicker, and his Stroke shorter, but no matter: The magic was still there. Not since Bobby Jones has a golfer so transcended his sport. The crowd loved Arnie, and he loved them. And on that glorious spring day, framed by the rolling green fairways and tall Georgia pines he had first seen fifty years before, Arnold Palmer bid his Army farewell. As we welcomed him home with our applause and our cheers and our smiles, I can tell you that there wasn't a dry eye in the house...

Including, I'm proud to say, my own.

Amazing! 1,000,000 ways to break an egg. All of them are elegant to a hungry person.

ICT
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Who wants to be a Hitter and why?

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Originally posted by Yoda

That was not Homer Kelley's conclusion. Enjoy the exact words of The Master:

"I think Hitting is going to become far, far more popular than Swinging
with the real blood-thirsty golfers, the money-hungry golfers. They're going
to go to Hitting because it is...they have total control; much better finesse;
more positive control of Power; and less total body involvement."

"It is far more difficult to learn, but far easier to execute
when you get it. Oh, it's so simple! Nothing ever happens! Nothing ever gets
out of line! You just take it up and come down! And you can slam it as hard
as you want to if you stayed with this Right Forearm alignment."

"And you'll find all of a sudden you don't have to Throw the
Club. Just come down any speed you want and it just comes right through. And
not having to 'Rotate the Plane Lines' [Ed: to curve the Ball.] -- gee,
that's a tremendous advantage. But, it is harder to learn, but lots
easier to execute once you've learned it. Much more individual. You feel like
you're controlling every little ingredient."

"I think it's great."

Or, In my case, I can use the control of Hitting to neutralize the negative effects of an artificial front hip and shorter front leg.

ICT