Check the 1:55 mark . . . . watch the right "scalpula" or whatever you call that deal and the right elbow and the hips . . . . interesting stuff working there . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jmi2...eature=related

Look how steep Fowler's shaft angle is on that picture. It sure was flatter midway down.

Hogan and Palmer has a very similar shoulder turn, but Hogan's pivot is more driven by the hips and feet while Palmer's motion is more upper body oriented.

Hmm? I drew an almost perfect circle. Then overlayed the Hand Path Plots, then revolved the circle using a 3D tool.




this is the circle

Ask yourself the questions . . . what components are causing the "handle to raise up"? . . . . there are culprits.

Uncompensated stroke?????

I believe clubhead inertia pulls the hands out. When Hogan and Palmer keeps the shoulder turn going both their pushin' and pullin' maintain geometrical properties that make it simpler to resist CF a lot better. Of course there can be invisible forces at work as well. For instance, we do have muscles related to the shoulder joints that enables us to press the hands down inwards.

Well, it kinda means that his Hands and Shoulders move in unison pretty much.

Would you think that'd be something you'd want to do?

I see uniformity in the arc? What say you? Pane of glass . . .

Bucket, staying on the Elbow Plane through to Both Arms Straight gives Hogan that look. But Angled Hinging would decrease the clubhead travel and add a real feeling for "swinging left" with the handle or hands too right?

Is there an advantage to be had to this over say Rickies or Phil's CF release to your mind?

Given 1-L-18 a shift would , ideally , have you still aligned to the same plane line so Ricky's not necessarily off plane with that move is he? So whats different in terms impact geometry.......angle of attack maybe.....but not arc of approach assuming hes on plane.

To me it's about how fast the face is closing and being able to control it with your pattern . . . not to mention the "uniform" hand path . . . concentric circle type stuff with hips, hands, shoulders, club in rhythm . . . plus it looks HOT

Problem . . . I SUCK at doing it. But I suck at doing the other way too . . . . so there you go.

But you cant overlay a perfect circle on to his Hand Path if he's shifting planes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NeizRf3JZY Plot the Hands Path here in this video through 3D space and you'll see what Henry Cotton referred to as "My Picasso". Beautiful curves but not suitable for covering or as a guide line when you can merely use the ever constant Straight Line , Plane Line.

See also DELIVERY PATHS 10-23-B ANGLED LINE.

"This pattern is used with the Plane Angle Variations that include a shift to (or back to) the Elbow Plane during the Downstroke.

From the Top-of -the-Straight-Line hand position the Hands take a nearly vertical path to the Plane of the Elbow Angle before they start their drive directly at and through the Aiming Point (2-J-3)"

Fowlers left wrist is fully uncocked rigth after impact. Left arm and clubshaft is on the same plane basically. Combined with dual horizontal hinge a very quick swivel action into and past impact is needed. In theory almost infinitely quick. And together with it, a very quick and early overtaking is the only sensible consequence.

With a level impact left wrist and even a little wrist cock intact the overtaking will be much more gradual and this is the case with Hogan and Palmer.

You can if you start from after the Shift. I only had to ignore two frames at startdown. The red dot on his left shoulder is his hand location at the third frame from the Top during the downstroke.

The guy swings On-Plane.

On the swing I used - the Power Golf swing - we look almost straight down the target line. The clubshaft is parallel to, and above the impact shaft plane in the down stroke and follow thru. The shaft stays close to parallel throughout. At the same time it seems clear that his hand path is outside-in

On the 5 lessons swing we have a bit different perspective. We look at the swing from behind and from outside the target line. The hand path seems to be straight down our view line. Camera position seem to be very close to the hand path plane through impact. The clubhead seems to be close to on-plane after transition and through impact, but then it raises high above it. The hand path is however above the clubhead plane after transition and then moves below it at and just past impact.

The down the line view in power golf seems to be more looking at the plane of the clubhead while the crossline view of the 5 lessons swing seem to be better aligned with the plane of his hand path.

I don't think this boils down to planar circles.

Hand Paths for shifters .....
 

OK but then you shouldnt have closed the circle at the top maybe? A smilie face during Elbow Plane would be 2D, planar. Or you draw the Angles, like Homer did in 10-23...... Hogan didnt shift much though in terms of degrees...................but just saying.

Stay outa this , BerntR this aint your fight.

Its ratings week and Daryl and I are trying to "move the needle" with a good old fashioned dust up.

You know like Jen and Angelina..............which is how this all started in the first place.............. Daryl wants to be Angelina but I shoty'd her first.

I didn't start this. Bucket did.

Now where are the "mad viking smilies" when I need them. Guess I'll have to settle for this cindirella instead ....

:rambo:

I think Daryl is close. The guy swings on plane.... almost. All his three planes are really close. :toothy1:

Bucket shoty'd Angelina? I just assumed he was Jen again.

The footline looks like he'd be pointing at the gallery or at least the dude standing down to the right...

All that Hip Action on broken pins and from a closed foot
Line .......which'll restrict the Pivot on the way through the shot. The man was very flexible , tendon stretch as opposed to muscle contraction or whatever it is. Poetry in motion.

It may not be as restrictive as you think. BH allowed his right heel to lift pretty early which is a sign that either it wasn't restrictive or that he wanted to look like Fred Astaire. :)

Fred Astair???

I thought it was Fowler again.

They are almost indistinguishable to my eye. Even in the way they dress they have something in common.

But now that I'm a ware of the fact; Fred has a more pronounced weight shift. And he has let go of his left hand and not his right.

And I thought I was sounding metro sexual. Our friends south of the Mason Dixon just lost they're lunch.

Think about it no more my friend. You've always sounded Metro Sexual. But I've always considered you a great Golfer first. :)

High Noon
 

Hey, not speaking for BerntR, but I been outa this since your Post #14!





Pass the popcorn!

:toothy1:

P.S. For the afficionados . . . The High Noon theme song was sung by Francesco Paolo LoVecchio, aka . . .

Frankie Laine.

For the younger folk who don't know Frankie Laine, I know you know Clint Eastwood.

And, if you know Clint, you should know Rowdy Yates.

And, if you know Rowdy Yates, you'll crank the volume and know . . .

Rawhide!



Rawhide

The Official LBG Theme Song!

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them doggies movin' Rawhide!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just rope, throw and brand'em,
Soon we'll be living high and wide.
My heart's calculatin'
My true love will be waitin', be waiting at the end of my ride.

Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em on,
Move 'em on, head 'em up, Rawhide!
Cut'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, Rawhide.

Rawhide!


Rollin', rollin', rollin'
Rollin', rollin', rollin'


Keep rollin', rollin', rollin'
Though the streams are swollen
Keep them dogies rollin'
Rawhide!
Through rain and wind and weather
Hell-bent for leather
Wishin' my gal was by my side.
All the things I'm missin',
Good vittles, love, and kissin',
Are waiting at the end of my ride


Move 'em on, head 'em up
Head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em on, head 'em on
Rawhide
Cut'em out, ride 'em in,
Ride 'em in, let'em out,
Cut'em out, ride 'em in
Rawhide!

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'



:3gears:

Thank You D, in the words of Johnny CAsh .........."IF YOU were a metro sexual , from chicago and I was a great golfer .......would you post weird posts anyways........would you be TGM savvy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZOYrnPnT0c

Ah man there's something about June Carter isnt there.........

This is post low point right?

Sorry for being so out of touch for the last 48 hours in this thread. It's just that im not used to this 3-day all-in new year celebration that I'm withnessing.

But I'm workin' on it. I already see three planes in Hogan's stroke and I am confident that I'll be able to see at least a couple more before we enter 2011. ;-)

Head'em Up . . . Move'm Out!
 

It is the end of the chorus, O.B., but it's not the end of the song. More verses follow!

:smile:

I love the lyrics, energy and heart of this song. I love its primordial rhythm and the insistent crack of the bullwhip's lash. It captures the rigors of the thousand-mile cattle drives of the early West. And, in spirit, it is nothing less than the story of LBG and its push since 2004.

We're "rollin, rollin', rollin" . . .

"Though the streams are swollen" . . .

"Through rain and wind and weather" . . .

We're "hell bent for leather" . . .

Together to the end of the ride.

:salut:

That be well said Yoda.

Carpe Deim
 

Thanks, James.

Okay, guys, I know this ain't exactly about Hogan's Right Shoulder Motion, etc.

However . . .

It is about friends following friends one-after-another in conversation here. Here being late night at year-end with me (after a long and happy day on the lesson tee) posting clips from American western movie classics and adopting a theme song for LBG.

:shock:

Anyway, one day left in the year.

With a nod to the 364 behind, let's all take cup in hand and toast the 365 ahead.

This is our time.

Let's make the most of it.

:salut:

I'll toast to that, Yoda!

All the best for 2011 guys and gals.

Keep "rollin, rollin, rollin......" Cause it aint Steer'n......

That's 98% of my reason for posting!
 

Well, a solid 5% of my reason is To improve my golf stroke. Happy New Year.
:)


ICT

yes indeed - here's to 2011

Happy New Year to you all

Question...... Does Hogans Hip Slide (with a Delayed Turn) prior to and during Startdown create the bending of his Right Elbow? And what about the Right Elbow tucking Pitch a little while he's dropping to the Elbow Plane? Is that Slide related?

Here's what he says he does.....note how the clubface points to the sky at Release...or the third parallel. And how he starts down with a turn of the hips as opposed to a slide and how he tucks his right elbow Pitch which goes with the open face ......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_17D...eature=related

And here is what he actually does with his hips when hitting a shot......Slide with a delayed Turn. Also note the angle of the face and how its flattening out.....Im guessing as he tucks pitch elbow and drops to the Elbow Plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HW_...eature=related


And here is Moes take on it followed by film of Hogan's right elbow seen in isolation tucking in Pitch....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onV3d...eature=related


So ......whats the relationship between the Slide and the Right Elbow bending? Which'll cock the left wrist. Anything? How bout Slide or maybe even Turn and Elbow tucking pitch?

Salud!

I am already there..... hick...

How much...:clock: before you join?
:laughing9

50 minutes into the new year. Same here.

Too bad for you guys in Scandinavia that it's already over. 2k10 is at it's very best right now :laughing9

I was out playing today. In t-shirt and shorts. I can't imagine a better way to utilise the last daylight of the year.

Finished my 9 holes with a nice, low SW punch into the wind with a little hook spin on it so that it released towards the hole. Converted the 4 footer.

Beer afterwards was free since one of the members had a hole in one today.