This wouldn't be possible without a flat left needle....

We all get it know...get what??? Lynn....cop out!!! If I had a tune to pick....it would be the "Carpenters" "We've only just begun"...the only insight that I'm aware of is....there is a whole lot of new info coming from Tommy.


DG

Tommy Tunes
 

And there you have it.

:salut:

Seeking the In Line Condition
 

As you imply, no way the needle runs ahead of the rotor. Hence, no need for the 'flat left' -- in line -- needle/arm mandate. In fact, all components within that system align -- and sequence -- themselves.

:salut:

DG - i will start with the good.

I am one of the many you graciously passed Tommy's DVD onto at basically cost of postage well before it was on this site. I will always be thankful and appreciative of that fact. Tommy is a great man, and great teacher. I love the DVD and learned a lot from it and just flat out enjoy it. I'm not going to get into any debate about deviations, fallacies, misconceptions and the like, Yoda is more than capable on that front.



Now the bad. My comments will be seen for exactly what they are by the majority. There is no hidden agenda (i am up front rest assured) and i have never started trouble on this or any other golf website. Those that "see thru me" are probably extremely (overly perhaps) grateful to you for your various gifts from Tommy as well as your seemingly fine knowledge of the so called right arm swing. Also, no doubt your relentless pursuit of spreading the Tommy word adds much color and interest to any forum - when kept in check via manners and respect.

Even in this thread your manners have degraded to the point (epecially to the host) where you'd be banned from other places. Healthy debate is good, but not when it turns to one eyed (and at times rude) obsession.

Hopefully i've kept my comments in check enough for them to be seen correctly and for exactly what they are.

Big Black Kettle...
 

Then can you tell me from MY perspective why I started this thread?

I'm sorry but when you mention the word obsession in the context of golf and double that for The Golfing Machine.....that's really humorous. That's like calling the kettle black BIG TIME...and that goes for all of you Homer Kelley devotees. I'm doing no more studying the instruction of Tom Tomasello then you are studying the work of Homer Kelley.

DG

I've got you pegged wrong but you label me a Homer Kelley devotee? You could not be further from the truth. What i do like tho is good natured banter and golf discussion and there is plenty of that in here, tho i visit infrequently and post even less. I find Yoda (and certain others) a fascinating read. I enjoy reading about golf and it's methods, including your own Tommy chronicles, Yoda's pure TGM as Homer meant it and many more.

I can visit this place for the first time in 6 months and find nothing has changed a bit with you and your attitude.

I could get way more to the point, but out of respect for this website (something some just can't seem to grasp :whistle: ) and it's fine members will stay well within the confines of not getting banned.

First...you didn't answer my first question.
Second...I didn't call you a Homer devotee.
Third...you're still have the same attitude...which if I mentioned would probably get me banned from this site.

I believe the truly rude thing is....changing the subject of this thread.

Lets get back to golf....

DG

First - i don't dance to the beat of any drum let alone yours

Second - i disagree

Third - whatever

Typical arrogance and desperate need for the last word, however expected

NOW you can have your fantasy/thread

:thumleft:

Enough Already!
 

New poll suggestion...pull the plug on this thread? Surely we have whipped this pony into an epoxy?

and have your own website

Okie- Where's your sense of a free market? Where is your sense of patience? We're only 18 pages in and you want to pull the plug on this thread!? This is like a reality TV show! I say it can go 50 pages easy. Meanwhile, people like Drewitgolf are up in Mass. freezing their little weenies off- How is he going to make it through the winter without a thread like this? Think of your fellow forum members before you shout out bra!

For fear of life and limb...
 

You order extra butter on your popcorn at crash scenes don't ya?:naughty: For fear of dismemberment I retract my former comment and I now say "Let the games begin!" Seriously, it seems as the thread has nowhere to go but down and out (kinda like the right forearm from top!:laughing9)

Didn't we kill this thread already?Attachment 1532

Comedy Central
 

You know it's a darn shame that most of the posts on this site have turned into a comedy routine....and I do mean routine. :sleepy:

For those of you that want to learn what Tom Tomasello taught....there is plenty of video to prove what I have discussed on this thread. It's no joke...

Oh....a good place to start learning is with Tommy's GI interview... contact me if you need/want a copy.

Yes, it's a shame we have to go 18 pages and not learn a thing...especially when Tommy ended his interview with the comment...."...the learning is never ending." 7/1991.

DG

Mass Hysteria
 

That is just wrong! Its not freezing up here.



"I would give my Right Arm to continue this thread."

Only A Game
 

Oh, heck, DG, admit it . . .

There's been a lot written and a lot learned in this thread. Thanks for putting it up!

I personally spent four hours today -- my longest practice session in I can't remember when -- experimenting with various Accumulator Combinations (10-4); Pressure Point Combinations (10-11) and Grip Pressures (7-1); Throws (10-20); and Releases (10-24); all within the context of the various Stroke Patterns (Hitting and Swinging) from the first six editions of The Golfing Machine; not to mention the written record of the thoughts and recommendations of the golfing greats of decades and centuries gone by.

It was a great day, and I'm certain it would not have unfolded as it did without this thread and your inspiration, passion and dedication.

Stay true to your school.

And have fun doing it.

Vive la difference!

:salut:

Lynn,

You are the inspiration and one in a billion. There is more to the learning than just golf. Some life lessons in this thread.

Excellent Lynn....

Very cool...

In the End....this thread was not set-up to DIVIDE the TGM community....I had wished it would bring it together. There are two many great minds on this site to let Tommy's work disappear...I believe we have a lot to learn from his approximately 20 years with the POWERFUL text The Golfing Machine (I actually don't know the year of Tom's passing).

Thanks for that post Lynn...I'm glad you had an enjoyable practice session.

DG

Thanks for the set-up but that one would be too easy!

Somehow though- I think you got the Mass Hysteria correct- just not sure exactly how.

Hey, what's this about a Tomasello GI article? First time I've heard of this! So, I decided to put that phrase in the search section of the forum to see what threads might come up- my PC exploded all across my room!!! I'll be sending LBG an invoice!!!

DG,

There are a couple of websites where the information are based on the respective owners work/experience with TGM.

Why don´t you start an own website dedicated to Tommys work?

I am pretty sure that you would have many members and great success.

And DG, this is meant in peace.

DG, Watched the videos many times
 

Am I missing something? Even as an aging gentleman TT had a beautiful pivot. When he talks about "the right shoulder goes straight down", doesn't everybody see his hips sliding and rotating? Where's the big controversy. Watch the video. There is zero video evidence that he extended (lost the angle at the right elbow) at the top of his swing. Surely DG is not suggesting that the downswing starts with extending the right elbow, is he?

By the way DG, no slight whatsover just honest inspection, what is your handicap? You seem devoted to a "method". I'm just kind of wondering how it's working for you. If you don't keep a handicap, what are your last several scores?

Wow what a long thread.

How does the LBG family reconcile the fact that the majority of scientist do not agree with your ideas on the golf swing?

How do you reconcile the fact that many scientist find mistakes throughout the yellow book?

Is your study of Homer's book based on blind faith or based on science.

Homer was not a scientist.

This thread proves three things:

1) Only one person understands the reactionary nature of Tomasello's swing

2) Only one person understands how to use a SWING with right arm participation

3) Homer didn't understand the real science of the golf swing. I do give him a cigar for trying!

4) The LBG staff doesn't understand the real science of the golf swing.

YES, it is possible to help SOME students with faulty information.

Good day

It's not all about science, it's G.O.L.F. It's not blind faith, it's proven, it works, and it's growing thanks in part to the knowledgeable folks here who learned from Yoda.

Kevin

OHHH.....Ouch!!! :sleepy:

a ptolemaic system !
 

what mistakes have "scientists" found in The Golfing Machine and who are they ?


" Since Copernicus man has been rolling from the center toward X." - Nietzsche

Science and Practical application
 

I am a scientist. I have studied golf for fifty years. I have seen methods come and go. However G.O.L.F despite its criticisms has survived and flourished. It is very difficult to apply "science" to the human body. Science depends on absolute measurements of understood variables. Many medical studies eventhough they are double blind random controlled studies come to erroneous conclusions. Why is that? Because some variable has been overlooked, difficult to measure or new knowledge has appeared that changes things. Homer's work continues to be amazing. Consider that Lynn sticks to the original principles, teaches them without deviation and achieves tremendous success. I look at Brian Gay and Jeff Hull and their simple swings and know they are on to something. There is no other system that is freely available, so complete and time tested. I read the arguments of the biomechanic "experts", hear the virtues of this and that measuring device and only laugh. They all speak of the faults of each system i.e. not measuring enough things, measuring the wrong things, and finally arguing about the interpretation. The human body presents an unbelievable challenge. A complicated system of muscles, joints and bones controlled by a brain that can be right sided or left sided, right handed or left handed, afflicted by dyslexia, ADHD, and containing various different combinations of DNA. Some golfers are fat and others skinny, some are double jointed and others aren't, some are flexible and others stiff, some are graceful and others muscle bound. Some people communicate visually, others kinestheticly and others auditorly. Add in to that mix emotions, education and life experiences and you have something that is very difficult to evaluate with a computer that only uses 1 or 0!. All scientific studies need to be taken with a grain of salt particularly those involving the human body. Observational studies, although "less scientific" have been found to be just as valuable as the more scientific ones. That is why studying golf is an entertainment for a lifetime.

Q&A With a Face In the Crowd
 

We do it all for you. :salut:


We're so inbred here it doesn't make any difference. :eyes:


They're hackers, so we don't care. :headbang:

Ignorance . . . sheer ignorance. :iamwithst


Actually, he was a Christian Scientist. [-o<


I think that's four things. But why get picky, right?

:laughing9

Thank goodness! I can keep this site running and continue to teach with at least a semi-clear conscience.

:golfcart2:

credentials?
 

And, your credentials are...?

This post should be a sticky. Simply wonderful post Sir!

Thank you,
Kevin

Educated Fingers
 

And let me give a cigar right back at you.

Please Don't Feed the Troll
 

Come on guys. This isnt the way we treat our guests. Even if he did lay a deuce on the rug of this free room in cyber space.

Lets hear him out, give him a fair trial and then hang him.



So Change My Swing:

What is your real science?


Regards
ob

(guys whats the betting line on "centrifugal force" again, hope he can spell it this time)

Homer's Cube (Rubik Had It Easy)
 

Homer Kelley told me 27 years ago that Centrifugal Force had been defined by scientists as a 'ficticious force'. Nevertheless, he chose to use the term as he himself defined it ("The resistance of the inertia in an orbiting object to change in direction." / The Glossary) in his three-piece solution to the three-dimensional puzzle of G.O.L.F.:

1. Centrifugal Force (Clubhead Control);

2. The Inclined Plane (Clubshaft Control); and

3. Hinge Action (Clubface Control).

As long as Newton's First Law (God's Law) of Motion stands, so does Homer's definition.

For those who persist in the academic conception, get over it.

Or forever remain a hacker.

:salut:

Price of admission
 

"Look at any ball player's throwing motion: At no time will you see the arm start forward before they step. In fact, I would argue that it is still going back. "
The above quote from Yoda is about the only redemption of this entire carnage! :crybaby::salut:

Purifying Process
 

One man's gold is another man's dross. And vice versa. Our threads provide the melting pots.

:salut:

Bingo Jeff: A lot of the "Magic of the Right Forearm" is what is done to move and direct the RFA, not anything done BY the forearm itself.

After trying to watch the TT SC session I can only say his teaching is the most foul, profane and ungentlemanly ever, and totally an unprofessional presentation.
If this were the only path to good golf many of us would still be hackers.

TT infact doesn't say that's the only path. YOU say that.Watch and listen to all his videos.If you understand just HALF of what he says you wouldn't still be a hacker like you are.
regards

Did you miss the word if?