Originally Posted by ChangeMySwing (Post 75317)

You guys should come to the event that Brian Manzella is having in Arizona. He's going to have 3 Phd's there to discuss the science of the golf swing. I think it would be a good opportunity to share information, and to come closer to the truth. The problem with TGM'ers is that many presented the 'yellow book' as perfect, and as a scientific book. Technology and the rigors of the scientific method will allow teachers of golf with new tools, better ideas, and more truth to share with the golf populace. It seems like TGM'ers are getting left behind. The earth is not flat! Say what you want about Manzella (he can come off a lil strong), but he is willing to admit when he's wrong, and he's always looking for the absolute truth. TGM'ers seem to be in love with the dogma of the 'yellow book', and unwilling to look past the yellow book for answers---- for truth.

Good luck to you all!

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 75324)

What do you see? Some old guy's work or deep perceptions about the human condition worth hundreds of millions of dollars?

I've been to the Uffizi, pal and the Vatican. The "David" and Michelangelo's Pieta are transcendent and done without a computer through painstaking observation and skill. Can you see where I'm going with this?

Define absolute truth. I started at a 21 hcp. last March and I was 9 over for the second time in a week, today. It will be lower next time. I'm 52, 35 lbs too heavy, with one leg 1.75" longer than the other with an artificial hip and clone irons and If you spot me my hcp. on a neutral course, I'll beat you.

Define absolute truth. I have taught stock-brokers to a 95% pass rate for a Fortune 50 company on the series 7 licensing test, and third world kids in a computer class in North Philadelphia. Lynn Blake can teach as can people on this site about 100 times more effectively than BM in his best DVD.

Define absolute truth. I was in the top 1% of sales people for AMEX for two years in a row. I can sell and teach. BM can sell. BM has a salesman's grasp of teaching and TGM which is obvious in your missive and his tapes. He is DVD's scripts are about the sale! I spent two months trying to decode his "schtick," until I realized I was being played.

The absolute truth of human anatomy has been understood for over a thousand years since doctors dug up cadavers to sketch muscle, tissue, and bone. TGM is about bio-mechanical observation and the plane of the golf swing. Do you want a "deeper truth?"

I'll define absolute truth for you. I'll send you my 12 step books and several titles on Chaos Theory. You send us your videos of your golf swing and we will post it here. In a year, with your best efforts, we will have your hcp reduced by 50% unless you are a scratch golfer. I am not, yet, but others here are. I can't teach what I cannot do, yet.


I have 3 of BM's dvd's. I'll sell them to you for a dollar each and you pay the shipping. That's a serious offer. Ph.D= piled high and deep.

BTW, the 'rigors' of science were used in building the superior race, right? That "pure" group demanded, like you are doing here, that the inferior be abolished. And wasn't science going to create "the new man" to lead the USSR to the people's utopia? Be careful of the science, buddy, that promises "absolute truth." Those are the promises of fanatics, not scientists.

Truth is what works in our human sphere. How can you be so negative about something you have not experienced?

Originally Posted by ChangeMySwing (Post 75317)

You guys should come to the event that Brian Manzella is having in Arizona. He's going to have 3 Phd's there to discuss the science of the golf swing. I think it would be a good opportunity to share information, and to come closer to the truth. The problem with TGM'ers is that many presented the 'yellow book' as perfect, and as a scientific book. Technology and the rigors of the scientific method will allow teachers of golf with new tools, better ideas, and more truth to share with the golf populace. It seems like TGM'ers are getting left behind. The earth is not flat! Say what you want about Manzella (he can come off a lil strong), but he is willing to admit when he's wrong, and he's always looking for the absolute truth. TGM'ers seem to be in love with the dogma of the 'yellow book', and unwilling to look past the yellow book for answers---- for truth.

Good luck to you all!

Originally Posted by footwedge (Post 75325)

If you read your last sentence it sounds like your doing exactly what your railing against, you should take some of your own advice. I mean were talking about the golfswing as it relates to science, or science as it relates to the golfswing.

Comparing it to some ideology from some crazies is just a bit of a dishonest analogy. You need to have an open mind and then make your own judgement, you could just learn something.

Originally Posted by airair (Post 75326)

Homer Kelly's view on flights laws at the time - are the laws of today the same?